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Columbus: Imperialist Bastard who brought death or good guy?

davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
edited October 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
Anyone else feel this way about CC day? I mean, the guy had a G Bush-like mentality...
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    edited October 2009
    UnthoughtKnown wrote:
    Anyone else feel this way about CC day? I mean, the guy had a G Bush-like mentality...

    Rapist/murderer.
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Horrible example of a person for a national holiday.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,320
    He's also bad with directions.... He thought he was in India and was nowhere close...
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I agree we should change the holiday to honor something else... but think of what else needs a name-change, namely, the District of Columbia. I don't think that would happen too easily.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Is it no longer possible to be both?
  • theboxerorthebagtheboxerorthebag Posts: 1,774
    imperialist bastard.
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    Amazing detective, but his wandering eye was really creepy.

    Oh, wait. That's ColumBO. Sorry.
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  • davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
    DeLukin wrote:
    Amazing detective, but his wandering eye was really creepy.

    Oh, wait. That's ColumBO. Sorry.

    hahaha!
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    At this point the holiday is kind of meaningless. All that happens is you can't go to the bank or post office and kids/teachers are home from school in some states. I'd be in favor of renaming the holiday to something else.
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  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    JaneNY wrote:
    At this point the holiday is kind of meaningless. All that happens is you can't go to the bank or post office and kids/teachers are home from school in some states. I'd be in favor of renaming the holiday to something else.
    Yea, you KNOW it's a second-rate holiday when google won't even change their logo to commemorate it...
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  • davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
    DeLukin wrote:
    JaneNY wrote:
    At this point the holiday is kind of meaningless. All that happens is you can't go to the bank or post office and kids/teachers are home from school in some states. I'd be in favor of renaming the holiday to something else.
    Yea, you KNOW it's a second-rate holiday when google won't even change their logo to commemorate it...

    ya google didn't but aol did
  • smithnicsmithnic Posts: 1,563
    Great guy. Gave me the day off. :)
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,940
    what European wasn't an Imperialist Bastard in the 1400's?
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    mookeywrench wrote:
    what European wasn't an Imperialist Bastard in the 1400's?

    Let's celebrate all of them!!!!

    Napolean Day! :D
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    mookeywrench wrote:
    what European wasn't an Imperialist Bastard in the 1400's?
    The poor folks in the Balkans weren't.....under Ottoman rule at the time....hey, it was a totally different world...we really shouldn't judge people from 500 years ago based on contemporary morals and standards.
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    tybird wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    what European wasn't an Imperialist Bastard in the 1400's?
    The poor folks in the Balkans weren't.....under Ottoman rule at the time....hey, it was a totally different world...we really shouldn't judge people from 500 years ago based on contemporary morals and standards.

    Good point. Although, I don't think rape and murder was anymore appreciated, lol.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    dcfaithful wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    what European wasn't an Imperialist Bastard in the 1400's?
    The poor folks in the Balkans weren't.....under Ottoman rule at the time....hey, it was a totally different world...we really shouldn't judge people from 500 years ago based on contemporary morals and standards.

    Good point. Although, I don't think rape and murder was anymore appreciated, lol.
    When you live in an iron-clad society, thinking outside of the box most often resulted in a public execution. You tend to take everything that society tells you with a granite-like belief...that includes classifying those of different skin color, religion and origin as less than human....actually no better than wild animals. It's still no excuse for rape and murder, but I can see the reasoning behind some of their actions. However, folks like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot......they knew what they were doing....and that it was wrong.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal
  • davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal


    tell us how you really feel!
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    You know what really sucks? Having to ask your kids what they learned in school today and they tell you all about how Christopher Columbus believed the world was round and everyone else thought it was flat and how he 'sailed the ocean blue' and discovered the New World.

    The complete and total disregard for truth in public school history is appaling.

    Everyone should read a book called: Lies My Teacher Told Me. Goes into pretty good depth on the hero-worhip mentality around Columbus and how public school history books completely ignore actual, documented, historical fact.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,933
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal

    Yeah but you gotta give credit where credit is due. That's a lot of land he found.
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal

    Also, increasing evidence shows that his first voyage brought syphilis back from the New World. :geek:
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    dcfaithful wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal

    Also, increasing evidence shows that his first voyage brought syphilis back from the New World. :geek:
    A Karmic penalty for the rapes????
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    tybird wrote:
    dcfaithful wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    he's more than imperialist bastard. He's a murderous genocidal maniac, who is directly responsible for the genocide of the native americans and his actions can be linked to the modern capitalist system which exploits and degrades human beings.

    Columbus is evil.

    He is not a good guy.

    He is a rapist. A gang rapist. A killer of animals. A person who laughed at blood being spilt, blood both human and animal

    Also, increasing evidence shows that his first voyage brought syphilis back from the New World. :geek:
    A Karmic penalty for the rapes????

    haha, could be.
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    8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
    9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
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    9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    Flagg wrote:
    You know what really sucks? Having to ask your kids what they learned in school today and they tell you all about how Christopher Columbus believed the world was round and everyone else thought it was flat and how he 'sailed the ocean blue' and discovered the New World.

    The complete and total disregard for truth in public school history is appaling.

    Everyone should read a book called: Lies My Teacher Told Me. Goes into pretty good depth on the hero-worhip mentality around Columbus and how public school history books completely ignore actual, documented, historical fact.
    +1

    The man was nothing to celebrate. he was never the 1st to think the World was round. He thought he was in India. He never set foot in North America. His crimes against humanity were disgusting and his own journals show a man of little regard for others.

    Dump the Holiday or rename it in honor of someone more deserving. Even W. deserves a Holiday more than Columbus.
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