The eternal people standing in the close seats problem
As someone who usually gets great seats(and I do appreciate them every damn time by the way) I was all for the lottery. Why not let some new faces and people get to experience the band up close and personal? I have had my times and it was nice seeing some nes faces up there(and back)
now what I noticed, was the lottery fans were not into the show, or rocking harder, singing louder, more or less loyal any more than the people who were normally there. The statues many of you refer to(old timers up front always seemingly standing) were just as good as any of the three lottery crews in DC or MSG 1/2. In fact I think they overall were better than what I saw. I saw new people there rocking hard as you can and I saw new people dead center front row stand leaning on the rail not budging once the whole show! So get off the old timers' backs by saying they don;t have it anymore as none of the new crowds brought it like they normally do! I mentioned in another post I saw some grandmas and grandpas there in front of where I was (7th row) These elderly people at least 65, were singing and moving more than most of the fans I saw in rows 1 and 2! Now in the rows between lottery sections there were also people standing too, but no less than what was in row 1/2.
just my take...nice seeing and letting some new blood up there, but they did not add anything as far as energy and zest any more than the "crew" usually up there.
for all the pessimists out there I was rocking my ass off all night long, 3 shows in a row!
now what I noticed, was the lottery fans were not into the show, or rocking harder, singing louder, more or less loyal any more than the people who were normally there. The statues many of you refer to(old timers up front always seemingly standing) were just as good as any of the three lottery crews in DC or MSG 1/2. In fact I think they overall were better than what I saw. I saw new people there rocking hard as you can and I saw new people dead center front row stand leaning on the rail not budging once the whole show! So get off the old timers' backs by saying they don;t have it anymore as none of the new crowds brought it like they normally do! I mentioned in another post I saw some grandmas and grandpas there in front of where I was (7th row) These elderly people at least 65, were singing and moving more than most of the fans I saw in rows 1 and 2! Now in the rows between lottery sections there were also people standing too, but no less than what was in row 1/2.
just my take...nice seeing and letting some new blood up there, but they did not add anything as far as energy and zest any more than the "crew" usually up there.
for all the pessimists out there I was rocking my ass off all night long, 3 shows in a row!
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Are we enjoying the show when we *sit *stand *jump *dance *scream *sing *be silent?
At D.C. two guys in front of me were really standing still and not moving;
At NY a guy next to me was sitting the whole time.
I'll bet they were enjoying the show just as much as all the others...
A girl in front of me in Camden was jumping and sceaming the whole show, waving her arms every second no mather if it was a wild song or a beautiful slow song, put her shirt off to get Ed's attention during LBC, jumping on my toes, almost got in a fight with 3 different girls....
I'll bet she enjoyed the show too...
Different behaviour doesn't mean a thing about their experience. And for me the girls behaviour was the most annoying...
i know some have made negative comments about the "old timers" up front not rocking out enough.
maybe the "noobs" were so stunned they were that close they were too mesmerized to jump around?
my # sucks,i'm a long time fan but recent fan club member {'06}
i know i would of shit if i had got front row @ MSG!!
the front rows were no more or less "involved" than the "old guard statues".
i do still think it is nice to let The High Numbers up front.
Someone said, "maybe they're just mesmerized", and i think that is true.
Speaking as someone who has had the privelage of being that close (and i'm sure many others can attest the same), there is a certain magik that transpires between the first few rows and the stage.
What i mean is simply that it IS mesmerizing.
The "statues" many of you used to speak of were people standing and looking UP towards the stage (since it is several feet above your eye level from the front) and simply being so visualy involved in the experience of being able to literaly see the hairs in the nostril of whichever band member they were closest to that they just did not even think to jump or move around.
It did NOT mean they were "bored" or what have you.
It just means they were really fucking close to the band, and that close, jumping is counterproductive to being able to see clearly!
That being said, maybe they were bored.
Who knows.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm exactly the same way. I have trouble taking it all in if I'm flailing around like a monkey in a banana factory. I'm rocking way harder than 99% of the people there....in my mind.
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
Sorry - I've been avoiding making this post for quite some time, but today I'm in a shitty mood and it just kind of slipped out.
btw, I'm not above being judgemental: as wrong as I think it is. I'm always amazed at people who don't clap after songs. As a performer I know that verbal/physical appreciation from your audience is truly mana from heaven. Carry on...
lol...well some people are over the top...mostly because of drunkeness. I think I have an appropriate level of enthusiasm
uh.
its not the drunkeness.
its the fanaticism.
in fact, i often get jelly belly from the beer and CANT jump around as much as if i were cone sold tober!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So what if someone isn't "Rocking as hard as I am"? What? Is there some kind of fucking... Rocking Standard we are all supposed to adhere to?
No!!!
Some people "Rock Hard" so other people can see them and assume, "Wow... he MUST be a big fan because of his Rocking Hardedness". For all we know, he's just a fucking tool looking for affirmation.
Others like to just kick back and enjoy the live music.
So Fucking WHAT???
Either you enjoy the fucking show... or NOT. In my book, worrying about how other people react to live music is just so fucking High School lame. Just do your own motherfucking thang and be done with it.
...
As for the long time Club members... if they didn't enjoy the shows.. they'd quit going. They enjoy the shows.. let them be.
Hail, Hail!!!
maybe all the poor old farts who used to be up front felt the same way. you think if you hit those seats again it'll be any different? of my 3 times on front row, none was less astounding than the other...
i agree with the OP's assessment of the first couple of rows. i commented on it at the 3 shows i went to this tour, as did others i was with and who sat around me.
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Either way did u think they were in shock of how great the band is, how close they were?
Sometimes I just stand there and stare, it is called individuality. That is how at that moment I was taking in everything.
There was one guy with a green tshirt in front of mike going nuts and the dude next to him was just standing there, I thought it was great.
Who knows maybe that is y ed was doing the stripper dance, trying to get everyone to jump around, I know it worked for me!
maybe switch tickets with someone way in the back next time, it is time for a new perspective.
Mihi cura futuri.
The elements they speak to me.
http://espn.go.com/espnradiostations/NewYork1050/gallery/35218855.html
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I was at the DC show, front center, and I was definitely enjoying my time. I was going nuts. I brought my older brother though, and he's not a huge fan (although he was blown away by his first pj show and is checking them out now), so he wasn't going nuts either... that does not mean he didn't enjoy the show...
the lottery is great. you guys are able to enjoy the shows from 3rd and 4th row, and the lucky ones can have a chance to enjoy it in the front.
Mihi cura futuri.
The elements they speak to me.
http://espn.go.com/espnradiostations/NewYork1050/gallery/35218855.html
so cute they are
At the same point don't fucking rip people for not moving in the front either as the trend was before the lottery.
movement does not correlate in any way to show enjoyment.
I do see the point of band feeding off the energy, and in turn they become more inspired from a crowd of lively people as I think the poor participation in singing during no More in DC soured Ed just enough to not play a song or two more
So as usual my point was not clear enough- don't bitch about the people doing or not doing stuff in front, just focus on your part and enjoy the show. It does not matter what demographic is where there will be people standing, people rocking, and hopefully all enjoying the show
* Obviously, you werent at Camden 2 then, when Mr Shackles ( the rookie wins the lottery ! ) and Myself were right on the railing on Mikeys side.
We didnt stop once,
( okay well i did briefly sit down to drink a coke- my bloodsugar crashed )
but after those 30 seconds we didnt stop once all night. Mikey was getting quite the kick out of us , and made sure we all got a funky yellow boston terrier laden guitar pic. Mike on 1 side, Mccready on the other.
I think this probably does vary from place to place.
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lol
is that right
wtf do u care that people complain that some guy, which apprently was not u, did not move enough?
I think spread what u want to see
u want a happy, positive , love pj board, talk abut that, but if every time I come to the board i c one of ur threads, i think ugh what is he complaining about now, it might get personal
I might just have to make all your threads about puppies and bunnies listening to pj
soooo
yea dc was not a great show, ed did not stop singing cuz of the crowd, the HEAT was killing him, those lights are insane, and he is moving around, yet verizon apparently does not know how to operate the air system
so yea
umm I have no more shows to go to, anyone want to sponsor me for a show
Mihi cura futuri.
The elements they speak to me.
http://espn.go.com/espnradiostations/NewYork1050/gallery/35218855.html
so cute they are
This guy hits the nail right on the head. Everybody reacts differently to the same situation. Just because someone is jumping around like a lunatic doesn't mean that they're not enjoying the show. What concerns me more is how people are so concerned about how other people are acting at a show. Who the fuck cares? Enjoy it in your own way and let others enjoy it in their way. People really have to stop concerning themselves with what other people are doing or how they choose to conduct their lives.
Well in the case with the people around me it was drunkenness. And I have seen people do some crazy contortions while drunk so maybe it boils down to how some people handle their liquor...:D
I love PJ but it's not about fanaticism with me. But I don't think that makes me any less of a fan.
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