PJ/Bono/etc guilty of hypocricy?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Ok, here's the thread that we should have started before we highjacked the one about Bono liking The Fixer. Basically, the topic of musician philanthropy came up, and some feel it is hypocritical for someone rich to be spouting off about how regular folks should throw money at causes, while they sit in their mansions sipping out of gold goblets. Of course, this is my Coles Notes version. I'll post some comments from the other thread in a minute.

yield2me

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Ok, here's the thread that we should have started before we highjacked the one about Bono liking The Fixer. Basically, the topic of musician philanthropy came up, and some feel it is hypocritical for someone rich to be spouting off about how regular folks should throw money at causes, while they sit in their mansions sipping out of gold goblets. Of course, this is my Coles Notes version. I'll post some comments from the other thread in a minute.

Coles Notes?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Zod said:

"Bono's also in love with himself

I remember he used to go around asking better off countries to contrubte a few percent of their gdp to help out the worlds poor. Its a noble enough cause at its root.

But what got me, is for my Canadian government to do that.. they either have to borrow the money or raise taxes. Meaning the middle class would probably end up paying for it.

Bono doesn't live like the middle class, so the fact he's asking the middle class to pay for always irked me. If he was willing to live off the median salary of Canadian which I think is just under 50k/year.. I'd be all for it

I don't think he ever really understood where the money from, and that he's basically asking people less of them himself to foot the bill. So he talks the talk, but doesn't really lead by example.

at least his taste in music seems decent enough."

Stephen Flow

yield2me wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Ok, here's the thread that we should have started before we highjacked the one about Bono liking The Fixer. Basically, the topic of musician philanthropy came up, and some feel it is hypocritical for someone rich to be spouting off about how regular folks should throw money at causes, while they sit in their mansions sipping out of gold goblets. Of course, this is my Coles Notes version. I'll post some comments from the other thread in a minute.

Coles Notes?

is that like Spark Notes?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yield2me wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Ok, here's the thread that we should have started before we highjacked the one about Bono liking The Fixer. Basically, the topic of musician philanthropy came up, and some feel it is hypocritical for someone rich to be spouting off about how regular folks should throw money at causes, while they sit in their mansions sipping out of gold goblets. Of course, this is my Coles Notes version. I'll post some comments from the other thread in a minute.

Coles Notes?

it's basically a "legal" form of cheat notes that you can buy at any book store that gives you the plot of any given literary novel without all the filler. It's touted as a study guide. Is this only in Canada? It's kind of a funny saying, too. When someone is droning on about something, you say "gimme the Coles Notes version".

Latin Square

It would only be hypocritical if said individual didn't donate anything after asking others to. Most of the time, people don't ask you to give so much that you can't live comfortably. They're simply asking you to give what you can.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

musicismylife78 wrote:

"Bono's a complicated figure, but lets not forget, a certain band we all love also does the same thing, Ed and the guys are rich beyond our wildest dreams, yet they do the same thing as Bono. The most righteous individuals, and these are my personal heroes people, are all just like Bono. Bruce, Bob Dylan, All of Rage Against the machine, and on and on.

That said, I do admit, Bono and U2 are guilty of rock star excess. Their shows are obviously extremely extravagent. And I am always reminded of an article from the 80's that talked about Bono and the guys, on a private jet, sipping champagne, discussing the pro's and cons of Castro. Thats the complicatedness of the band and of Bono."

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Johnny Sitar said:

"what I think we are losing sight of here is not how much money these guys make, but how much awareness their celebrity can bring to worthy causes. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, in my view, to cast these people as hypocrites (my word, I realize, not anyone else's) because they don't lay down all their money for the causes they support. That's not the point of what they are trying to do. Bill Gates himself could probably end world hunger, but if he does that, it won't fix the problem. The idea is to get humanity to band together for such things so similar issues can be dealt with in similar fashion-TOGETHER. Not to depend on the super wealthy to fix everything. "

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Jessie78 wrote:

"I don't know. Is using one's position of power, whether it be through music, politics, religion or whatever, to persuade others to help your fellow man really such a bad thing? If there are people out there who have full access to the platform of the general masses then why not take advantage of that? I'll admit, Bono's a little full on himself, but then, he readily admits that as well. He's confident to be sure. But for all the humanitarian causes that Bono, or any other celeb asks people to support, I think it would be a fair assumption to say that the time and energy they put into putting the word out there and doing the research, is equal to, if not greater than what they are asking people to give, not to mention their own monetary support. But. This is just my bleeding heart opinion take it for what it's worth. And for the record, I haven't bought a U2 album since Achtung Baby but I do donate to the ONE campaign..."

yield2me

Johnny Sitar wrote:

yield2me wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Ok, here's the thread that we should have started before we highjacked the one about Bono liking The Fixer. Basically, the topic of musician philanthropy came up, and some feel it is hypocritical for someone rich to be spouting off about how regular folks should throw money at causes, while they sit in their mansions sipping out of gold goblets. Of course, this is my Coles Notes version. I'll post some comments from the other thread in a minute.

Coles Notes?

it's basically a "legal" form of cheat notes that you can buy at any book store that gives you the plot of any given literary novel without all the filler. It's touted as a study guide. Is this only in Canada? It's kind of a funny saying, too. When someone is droning on about something, you say "gimme the Coles Notes version".

It's called Cliff Notes here in the states and I don't know if you just didn't spell it right or if "Cole Notes" is some weird Canadian version? lol

Hugh Freaking Dillon

musicismylife78 wrote:

"My point is the OP is guilty of extreme hypocrisy, by not talking about PJ's wealth and their activism. If you are gonna talk about Bono's excesses, thats fine, but dont act like he is the only rock star who is rich who spouts off on political and social causes.

Dont get me wrong, I think its great ed and bono and all those guys use their fame to bring awareness to causes. But I think people are ignoring the hypocrisy of it all."

and now we're all up to speed.

yield2me

this thread is now about "Cole Notes" by the way...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yield2me wrote:

It's called Cliff Notes here in the states and I don't know if you just didn't spell it right or if "Cole Notes" is some weird Canadian version? lol

Coles Notes is what it's called. I honestly thought Cliff Notes was actually notes you wrote yourself, as in a cheat sheet. Coles Notes is professionally written analysis that you buy in a store.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yield2me wrote:

this thread is now about "Cole Notes" by the way...

all my hard work copying and pasting gone to waste.

Zod

In the previous thread, someone asked why not consider pearl jam hypocritical as they also support various causes.

I think they key difference, is I don't recally Mr. Vedder going to the head of our government and asking for a percentage of domestic revenue. Pearl Jam's supports when/where they can, under the radar, and they don't go telling us to donate, or trying to force us to donate to anyone.

Bono was actually asking for a percentage of countries GDP to cure world hunger. I think the cause is very noble. That money would come from taxes, taxes of which a majority comes from the middle class. So he's asking people who are less off then himself to donate.

It just seems off to me. Some people are supporting their families on 50k a year.. some people are better off with multiple 50k salaries. It depends on the person/family. But to ask a government to do that, without considering the consequences of people less of than yourself... its cocky.

I think it'd be better if he went after people instead of governments.. allow people who can afford it to donate.. I think sucking it through taxes is the wrong way to go.

yield2me

Johnny Sitar wrote:

yield2me wrote:

It's called Cliff Notes here in the states and I don't know if you just didn't spell it right or if "Cole Notes" is some weird Canadian version? lol

Coles Notes is what it's called. I honestly thought Cliff Notes was actually notes you wrote yourself, as in a cheat sheet. Coles Notes is professionally written analysis that you buy in a store.

Nope, Cliff Notes are small professionally written summaries you buy in the store. They have a yellow and black cover.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yield2me wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

yield2me wrote:

It's called Cliff Notes here in the states and I don't know if you just didn't spell it right or if "Cole Notes" is some weird Canadian version? lol

Coles Notes is what it's called. I honestly thought Cliff Notes was actually notes you wrote yourself, as in a cheat sheet. Coles Notes is professionally written analysis that you buy in a store.

Nope, Cliff Notes are small professionally written summaries you buy in the store. They have a yellow and black cover.

alright, so I guess it's the same, just different name. should I rename this thread??

yield2me

Zod wrote:

In the previous thread, someone asked why not consider pearl jam hypocritical as they also support various causes.

I think they key difference, is I don't recally Mr. Vedder going to the head of our government and asking for a percentage of domestic revenue. Pearl Jam's supports when/where they can, under the radar, and they don't go telling us to donate, or trying to force us to donate to anyone.

Bono was actually asking for a percentage of countries GDP to cure world hunger. I think the cause is very noble. That money would come from taxes, taxes of which a majority comes from the middle class. So he's asking people who are less off then himself to donate.

It just seems off to me. Some people are supporting their families on 50k a year.. some people are better off with multiple 50k salaries. It depends on the person/family. But to ask a government to do that, without considering the consequences of people less of than yourself... its cocky.

I think it'd be better if he went after people instead of governments.. allow people who can afford it to donate.. I think sucking it through taxes is the wrong way to go.

I'm not sure if I agree with you on this. World hunger is a worldwide problem that anyone who can afford to eat should be able to give something to help. The GDP that Bono was asking for was a small amount and when you divide that amount by the # of people living in the countries and their actual individual contribution, it works out to about $2.00 each. I think the major countries of the world could afford to ask their people to give $2.00. Also, by going about it through governments you ensure that everyone participates, whereas if you just ask people to give, most of the time they won't even though they can afford it.

For example, I see an advertisement on tv that is asking for money for starving kids in Africa. I feel bad for them and I think "I really should give some money to this organization." Then the ad ends and Ghost Hunters comes back on and I instantly forget. Now, if the president came on tv and said that the USA would be donating a certain amount of $ to Bono's cause and that it works out to each of us giving $2.00, I would have no problem with that. It's not egotistical for Bono to do what he is doing, it's admirable in my opinion.

yield2me

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

Bono regularly masturbates to his own photo from the LEMON video photoshoot :?: :?: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

p.s.


we are all guilty of hypocricy