Secret Service Probes Online Obama “Death” Poll
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Secret Service Probes Online Obama “Death” Poll
And the US Secret Service has announced it’s investigating an online poll that asks respondents whether President Obama should be assassinated. Last week, more than 750 Facebook users reportedly cast votes on the poll, titled “Should Obama Be Killed?” The poll has since been removed.
When will this end, in all the years under GWB and any other President I would never ever consider the act or want to see the President killed no matter how bad or good he/she is. Tell me some of this has NOTHING to do with race.
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And the US Secret Service has announced it’s investigating an online poll that asks respondents whether President Obama should be assassinated. Last week, more than 750 Facebook users reportedly cast votes on the poll, titled “Should Obama Be Killed?” The poll has since been removed.
When will this end, in all the years under GWB and any other President I would never ever consider the act or want to see the President killed no matter how bad or good he/she is. Tell me some of this has NOTHING to do with race.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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For all the right screams about hypocrisy because the criticism of Bush was the same as Obama... I do not recall ever seeing or hearing about anything remotely like this happening.
You didn't see it happen because it didn't, and it probably had everything to do with who Bush's Vice President was.
You didn't see it happen because it didn't, and it probably had everything to do with who Bush's Vice President was.[/quote]
You're saying liberals would have tried to assassinate Dubya if not for Cheney? It's a tasteless poll that is a symptom of a lot of alarming rage on the right. Even at its most outraged, I don't recall anyone the left doing things like this and threatening violence, or even joking about it, and I don't think it had anything to do with Cheney. There is just a very noticeable difference in the way the right and left respond to adversity in office.
I didn't say anything about liberals, specifically. There are plenty of people who can call a spade a spade, regardless of whatever political ideology they claim as their own, can easily point out some major issues with any president-- add a little craziness into the mix, and you might have a recipe for people who make statements like this. After all, wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald a communist? Technically, he'd be an extreme lefty that killed a lefty president (if that's how it all actually went down).
I think the poll probably represents some alarming stupidity over rage, but I could be wrong.
I wish I believed you, but I don't. Partly because I see it in my own family. People on the right are PISSED to a degree I didn't even know was possible. I mean, I was a pretty hardcore Bush hater, but I never wished the man dead or anything. Yes, stupidity is a part of this poll, but if you step back and take a look at the bigger picture... abortion clinic shootings, the holocaust museum guy, teabaggers with guns, this poll... there is a lot of real anger out there. I don't know enough about Oswald to know his politics, but I can't think of anything I ever saw from the left, even at the height of anti-Dubya sentiment, that was anywhere near the rage out there now over Obama. I don't say this in a "my side is better" sort way. I don't consider myself much of a liberal partisan or anything. It just truly seems like a very different and much more aggressive opposition than there was against Dubya.
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think about how stupid the average person is...
then remember that 50% of the population is more stupid than that! hehe
"Obama inherited this." Define "this." I think one of its definitions is the leftover anger and confusion that a terrible Bush presidency left us. Obama inherited a VERY angry country. It's been proven time and time again that Americans get drugged, and raped by their government but don't start recovering from the hazy effect of the roofies for years later. When they wake up, they point to the man in charge, whether he is responsible or not. In my eyes, they're all responsible.
The fact is, unemployment is very high right now-- when the numbers aren't sugarcoated, it's close to 20%. That's 20% of the workforce that gets to watch the "news" and try and figure out why they are at home and not working. We're still at war. Our Congress has been voting on bills that haven't been read. At the same time, the news itself is more sensationalized, manipulated, and dumbed down than ever. It's a joke. There is a populist movement going on right now, and it is being highjacked. Shit is CRAZY out there in general right now.
Another part of the story that hasn't been considered: have you seen how MORONIC 99% of all facebook polls and quizzes are, and how much more prevalent they are than even 6 months ago when facebook changed their format? I'd say there wasn't even the mass access and popularity of such stupid "polls" on that scale when Bush was in office. That's technology for you-- it doesn't take long.
Are their crazy racists out there right now that hate the president? Of course. Are there partisan Republican crybabies that do? Absolutely. Are there people who voted for this guy who have been let down actually can't stand him now? Sure. Are there people out there that would have hated a McCain OR an Obama presidency that were going to hate either guy? Definitely. Is there a terrible economy, war, and an increased government presence in all of our lives, or if not increased, is it just much more noticeable now? I believe so. It's a number of factors that bring all of this out, combined with their being a greater forum for all of this than ever before: the internet, tv, etc... Shit, how many more people have either a facebook, myspace, or youtube account than a year ago, and now have the forum for their ideas (crazy or not)? Who ISN'T a celebrity anymore, and how many of them seek out celebrity by being fuckin crazy?
I guess the ultimate question is, are "righties" more likely to get violent than "lefties"? Well, it's always been painted that way-- maybe it is true? I don't know. I don't think that a love for guns automatically equate to violence. Actually, if you polled violent criminals who have used guns in their crimes on who they would have voted for in any election, what do you think the results would be?
Violence is growing across all of our society....it's not a "Right Wing" problem nor is it a "Left Wing" problem...it is society's problem...and we all have to share in the blame....more finger-pointing is not going to move us anywhere.
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I don't recall every saying "Obama inherited this" so I don't know why you're quoting it to me or what you want me to say to it. I don't doubt it's an angry country and yes, technology and the way we communicate has changed, though not nearly as dramatically as you want to say I think... hell, I was talking politics on here all the time Bush was in office.
In any event, I'm not claiming with any certainty that the right is more violent. I'm not presenting this as a conclusion I've made. It's just an observation that I keep turning over in my head. Even disregarding the facebook poll. I'm just going by what I read about in the news, and it looks pretty damning... check it:
Obama takes office, within months you have murdered census bureau officers and a murdered abortion doctor and a shooting at the holocaust museum... all at the hands of right wing loons.
Clinton takes office, the republicans HATED him too and spent millions of taxpayer dollars investigating his whole life to try to bring him down. And on that watch there was a rash of abortion clinic bombings and killings, and the Oklahoma City bombing... again at the hands of right wing loons.
Bush takes office and the left HATES him. But I truly cannot think of a single political act of violence that came out of that rage.
I've mentioned this time and again, and every time I do, right wingers disappear like roaches at the arrival of Orkin. And I keep mentioning not to damn the right, but truly because I'm curious. Can YOU name one similar act committed by a leftist on Dubya's watch, that seemed to grow from the kind of outrage out there now? The closest I've come is that one fire at a Hummer dealership after it was closed. Not even close.
I'm not saying all right wingers are violent lunatics or bad people. I'm just saying that there seems to be a completely different response to political outrage between the right and left. The anecdotal evidence is pretty compelling. And it seems the right is a lot more prone to vent their rage through violent political action than the left. I wonder why this is. Is it the insularity of right wing talk radio/foxnews that just causes a negative feedback loop? The way they talk? The ties to religion the rhetoric has that carries this all up a notch? What is it? It isn't about hating the people on the right or pointing fingers, I'm just wondering what it is about their tactics or supporters that seems to make these kinds of incidents more common than on the left? That might be worth looking into, because the heated nature of the discourse now is not helping anyone, just making everyone refuse to listen to the other side. The left has its own issues to handle (there's a lot of arrogance and condescension there), but we're talking about the right wing response to Obama right now.
"Obama inherited this." I'm not saying you said this quote, but it is thrown around frequently, and I do agree with it.
Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any politically motivated killings during Clinton's years, but I also do not see the turbulent climate that I see right now either (nor is my memory that good).
If there's a primary party to blame for any of it, look no further than the media. ALL OF THEM. Right-leaning, left-leaning, they all sink their teeth into how juicy it all is and show little to no respect to the victims or their families, and simultaneously immortalize the nutjob criminal.
Do you think during that Bush era no one or not many dared have dissent to that level while that President was at war? I know during my many peace marches I had the feeling I was always being watched as if I could have been a possible terriost. That feeling of I could be taken away locked up without representation in a place like Guantanamo for just voicing my dissent to his administration.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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There were plenty of political killings under Clinton... I listed them. Oklahoma City, lots of abortion shootings and bombings, etc. There was nothing under Dubya. Do you see the pattern? Left's response to having someone that pisses them off in office: lame marches and "awareness" campaigns that don't do shit. Right's response to having someone that pisses them off in office? Kill someone. Again, I'm not saying all right wingers are evil psychopaths and all left wingers are peaceful angels. Just that it's interesting that things play out this way.
And your third paragraph is kind of what I was getting at. I think media is a problem. The right has a very, very well organized media system... the talk show radio connects to fox to blogs to televangelists, etc. It's very focused and insular and they pound their message into people. And when these people never see another side of the story it's no wonder desperate people start to think "we're fucked, but a lot of people agree with me, maybe I'll take one for the team because these evil liberals have to be stopped before they corrupt my moral values/country/whatever." I'm just wondering what it is on the right that makes violence more common as an expression of political outrage and frustration, and I think the way right wing media operates has a lot to do with it.
My mistake. I meant Bush, not Clinton.
Also, who would scare you the most if you were a dissident? Bush, Clinton, or Obama?
Define dissident. Is a dissident just someone that opposes the current admin? I'd think it takes more than that. Otherwise everyone is a dissident whenever somebody they didn't vote for gets elected.
In any event, Bush was more alarming. Yet nobody on the left killed anyone over it. I'm not persuaded by the argument that there would have been the same amount of violence coming from the left, but Bush was just such a scary guy he kept it all in check. If anything, that would incite more violence, you would think. And I rather doubt the violence under Clinton and Obama only occurred because people on the right weren't sufficiently intimidated by them, so they felt free to kill people if they wanted. That's absurd. All presidents provoked extreme outrage from the opposition. But that outrage only resulted in notable political violence when the president was a democrat and the opposition was conservative. When it was a republican president and liberal opposition, there was the same level of outrage, but no violence. It's weird.