If thats the case, I think they would have been better served not to be exclusive to Target. This album imo is better than S/T, has more mass appeal...and looks like even though it will hit #1, it still will sell less than Avocado :?
But I'm sure with the Target deal, they will see a bigger piece of the pie, and they seem happier
I couldn't believe some Targets didn't have the album on the shelves last Sunday
If thats the case, I think they would have been better served not to be exclusive to Target. This album imo is better than S/T, has more mass appeal...and looks like even though it will hit #1, it still will sell less than Avocado :?
But I'm sure with the Target deal, they will see a bigger piece of the pie, and they seem happier
I couldn't believe some Targets didn't have the album on the shelves last Sunday
yeah but keep in mind that the band is getting something like $5 per disc sold! That is pretty much completely unheard of for an artist to get that much. The Target deal was a smart move for them.
“May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
If thats the case, I think they would have been better served not to be exclusive to Target. This album imo is better than S/T, has more mass appeal...and looks like even though it will hit #1, it still will sell less than Avocado :?
But I'm sure with the Target deal, they will see a bigger piece of the pie, and they seem happier
I couldn't believe some Targets didn't have the album on the shelves last Sunday
yeah but keep in mind that the band is getting something like $5 per disc sold! That is pretty much completely unheard of for an artist to get that much. The Target deal was a smart move for them.
Wow, where did you hear that? Thats pretty impresive!
I will also say, that with this album...they have a real good chance to keep sales stronger for longer. Just release Unthought Known, Just Breathe as the next single. I think it will open many people's eyes
They really need to release the next single ASAP!!! The Fixer has fallen out of the top 10 in Alt/Rock charts and they need to keep the album fresh in people's minds. IMO
Wow, where did you hear that? Thats pretty impresive!
I will also say, that with this album...they have a real good chance to keep sales stronger for longer. Just release Unthought Known, Just Breathe as the next single. I think it will open many people's eyes
It was in a recent interview (can't remember which one) but I'm pretty sure it was Stone that mentioned that they were getting something like $5 a disc from Target with this deal.
“May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
Wow, where did you hear that? Thats pretty impresive!
I will also say, that with this album...they have a real good chance to keep sales stronger for longer. Just release Unthought Known, Just Breathe as the next single. I think it will open many people's eyes
It was in a recent interview (can't remember which one) but I'm pretty sure it was Stone that mentioned that they were getting something like $5 a disc from Target with this deal.
Was Stone wearing a Diamond pinky ring and sayin "Kiss the ring BITCHES" while discussing their payday
I'm not questioning the interview, just seems out of Character for them to discuss that
They really need to release the next single ASAP!!! The Fixer has fallen out of the top 10 in Alt/Rock charts and they need to keep the album fresh in people's minds. IMO
It's still up there at no. 3 overall rock songs. If you click to the right of the song title, you'll see it's up there on other charts to including #76 in the Hot 100, which is pretty insane since it's been out for nine weeks.
I don't think they need to rush another single out there. They can hold onto the Fixer for probably another 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, I would love to get another single sooner than that though.
"Darkness comes in waves, tell me, why invite it to stay?"
Wow, where did you hear that? Thats pretty impresive!
I will also say, that with this album...they have a real good chance to keep sales stronger for longer. Just release Unthought Known, Just Breathe as the next single. I think it will open many people's eyes
It was in a recent interview (can't remember which one) but I'm pretty sure it was Stone that mentioned that they were getting something like $5 a disc from Target with this deal.
Was Stone wearing a Diamond pinky ring and sayin "Kiss the ring BITCHES" while discussing their payday
I'm not questioning the interview, just seems out of Character for them to discuss that
Yeah, reports seem to say that Backspacer will debut at #1 with just under 200,000 sold. "Avacado" sold 279,564 in its first week, according to Wikipedia. "Avacado" went on to go Gold, sitting at just over 700,000. All that being said, Backspacer should easily get to Gold but I wouldn't expect total sales to go much over 700,000.
Some people are predicting that the next single could trigger a second big wave of sales, but I don't see it. Some think "Just Breathe" could reach the mass popularity of "Last Kiss" and reach different formats and increase sales, but I kind of doubt it.
As for promotion for this album, where have all the Target commercials been? I seem to remember seeing the Black Eyed Peas Target commercial a ton... I've only seen Pearl Jam's Target commercial twice. ESPN is definitely pounding Pearl Jam in highlights and during college football. I think the Average Joe needs it pounded in his head more with many more Target commercials.
By the way, here's a rough idea of where Pearl Jam album sales stand...
Ten - 9.6 million (certified thirteen times platinum by the RIAA) Vs. - 5.9 million (certified seven times platinum by the RIAA) Vitalogy - 4.7 million (certified five times platinum by the RIAA) No Code - 1.4 million (certified platinum by the RIAA) Yield - 1.6 million (certified platinum by the RIAA) Binaural - 718,000 (certified gold by the RIAA) Riot Act - 508,000 (certified gold by the RIAA) Pearl Jam - 706,000 (certified gold by the RIAA) Backspacer - ???
In case anyone is wondering about the discrepancy between the sales numbers and the RIAA certifications, they represent two different things. The sales numbers (e.g., 9.6 million for "Ten") reflect actual sales to consumers, tracked by SoundScan (which accounts for the vast majority of retail sales, although not necessarily all sales). The RIAA certification reflects the number of units shipped to retailers (not necessarily sold). Thus, RIAA certifications are usually higher than actual sales. However, you have to request certification from the RIAA, and it's not always done. For example, it's possible that "Yield" would qualify for certification as "double platinum" (2 million units shipped) given the fact that it has sold 1.6 million copies, but Epic may not have sought certification. It is also possible that "Binaural" or "Pearl Jam" might be eligible for platinum certification.
In the U.S., "gold" means 500,000 copies. "Platinum" means 1 million copies. There is also a "Diamond" certification, which means 10 million copies.
On another note, in response to the reference to the staying power of "The Fixer" as "insane" because it is still #3 on Rock Songs after nine weeks and #76 on the Hot 100, it's not really anything special, especially for such a well-known artist. The songs on either side of "The Fixer"-- "Jars" by Chevelle and "New Divide" by Linkin Park-- have been on the Rock Songs chart for 13 and 16 weeks, respectively, and are still in the top five (and 16 weeks actually understates Linkin Park's longevity because the Rock Songs chart was implemented 16 weeks ago-- that's why you see several songs with the exact same 16 weeks on the chart). In addition, "The Fixer" has only been on the Hot 100 for four weeks (which is as long as it's been available to download).
If anything, the fact that the songs at the top of the Rock Songs chart have long runs tells you how stagnant rock radio (commercial radio in general, really) is, and how reluctant stations are to play anything new.
By the way, here's a rough idea of where Pearl Jam album sales stand...
Ten - 9.6 million (certified thirteen times platinum by the RIAA)
Vs. - 5.9 million (certified seven times platinum by the RIAA)
Vitalogy - 4.7 million (certified five times platinum by the RIAA)
No Code - 1.4 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Yield - 1.6 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Binaural - 718,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Riot Act - 508,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Pearl Jam - 706,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Backspacer - ???
wonder why the drop off from Vitalogy onward? downloading?
In case anyone is wondering about the discrepancy between the sales numbers and the RIAA certifications, they represent two different things. The sales numbers (e.g., 9.6 million for "Ten") reflect actual sales to consumers, tracked by SoundScan (which accounts for the vast majority of retail sales, although not necessarily all sales). The RIAA certification reflects the number of units shipped to retailers (not necessarily sold). Thus, RIAA certifications are usually higher than actual sales. However, you have to request certification from the RIAA, and it's not always done. For example, it's possible that "Yield" would qualify for certification as "double platinum" (2 million units shipped) given the fact that it has sold 1.6 million copies, but Epic may not have sought certification. It is also possible that "Binaural" or "Pearl Jam" might be eligible for platinum certification.
In the U.S., "gold" means 500,000 copies. "Platinum" means 1 million copies. There is also a "Diamond" certification, which means 10 million copies.
On another note, in response to the reference to the staying power of "The Fixer" as "insane" because it is still #3 on Rock Songs after nine weeks and #76 on the Hot 100, it's not really anything special, especially for such a well-known artist. The songs on either side of "The Fixer"-- "Jars" by Chevelle and "New Divide" by Linkin Park-- have been on the Rock Songs chart for 13 and 16 weeks, respectively, and are still in the top five (and 16 weeks actually understates Linkin Park's longevity because the Rock Songs chart was implemented 16 weeks ago-- that's why you see several songs with the exact same 16 weeks on the chart). In addition, "The Fixer" has only been on the Hot 100 for four weeks (which is as long as it's been available to download).
If anything, the fact that the songs at the top of the Rock Songs chart have long runs tells you how stagnant rock radio (commercial radio in general, really) is, and how reluctant stations are to play anything new.
That's what I was thinking about Yield, Binaural, Pearl Jam and even No Code. I thought they would move up in certification.
By the way, here's a rough idea of where Pearl Jam album sales stand...
Ten - 9.6 million (certified thirteen times platinum by the RIAA)
Vs. - 5.9 million (certified seven times platinum by the RIAA)
Vitalogy - 4.7 million (certified five times platinum by the RIAA)
No Code - 1.4 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Yield - 1.6 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Binaural - 718,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Riot Act - 508,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Pearl Jam - 706,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Backspacer - ???
wonder why the drop off from Vitalogy onward? downloading?
It wasn't downloading. I was an early adopter of mp3's and that wasn't even until '97.
I think it was No Code. I remember at the time it didn't get alot of praise at all. It was so different then the first 3 albums. It turn off most of the non hardcore fans.
Even I didn't dig No Code at first, but I bought Yield.. somehow listening to Yield unlocked something, and I loved No Code after that.
but for all the passive fans.. alot of them bailed with no code and never came back... that was the beginning of when pj went from mainstream to more of a cult type band?
By the way, here's a rough idea of where Pearl Jam album sales stand...
Ten - 9.6 million (certified thirteen times platinum by the RIAA)
Vs. - 5.9 million (certified seven times platinum by the RIAA)
Vitalogy - 4.7 million (certified five times platinum by the RIAA)
No Code - 1.4 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Yield - 1.6 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Binaural - 718,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Riot Act - 508,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Pearl Jam - 706,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Backspacer - ???
wonder why the drop off from Vitalogy onward? downloading?
It wasn't downloading. I was an early adopter of mp3's and that wasn't even until '97.
I think it was No Code. I remember at the time it didn't get alot of praise at all. It was so different then the first 3 albums. It turn off most of the non hardcore fans.
Even I didn't dig No Code at first, but I bought Yield.. somehow listening to Yield unlocked something, and I loved No Code after that.
but for all the passive fans.. alot of them bailed with no code and never came back... that was the beginning of when pj went from mainstream to more of a cult type band?
I swear I'm like the only person who thinks this. Vitalogy was the jumping off point for fans, not No Code.
Aside from Betterman, I don't think a single casual fan could name anything off of Vitalogy. And you throw in Bugs, Aye Davanita and Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me. Well....what do you expect to happen? People to come back begging for more?
No Code is when Pearl Jam lost a lot of the fan base. I think it is a great record, but it wasn't anything for the masses. And your average person when hearing their "new" sound with a new drummer wouldn't even realize it was Pearl jam. I remember it well.
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I swear I'm like the only person who thinks this. Vitalogy was the jumping off point for fans, not No Code.
Aside from Betterman, I don't think a single casual fan could name anything off of Vitalogy. And you throw in Bugs, Aye Davanita and Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me. Well....what do you expect to happen? People to come back begging for more?
I agree. Vitalogy was the album that pushed Pearl Jam out of the mainstream. No Code finished the job, along with the shunning of publicity and touring problems.
When we found the things we loved,
They were crushed and dying in the dirt.
We tried to pick up the pieces,
And get away without getting hurt,
But they caught us at the state line,
And burned our cars in one last fight,
And left us running burned and blind,
Chasing something in the night.
Also keep in mind that when No Code came out there was a massive amount of used music stores emerging on the retail scene. Since then, the # of these stores has just increased and when someone buys music from a store that sells used CD's those sales do not count towards the soundscan #'s.
“May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
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That's what they called it.
Backspacer is sold in shops.
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi
If thats the case, I think they would have been better served not to be exclusive to Target. This album imo is better than S/T, has more mass appeal...and looks like even though it will hit #1, it still will sell less than Avocado :?
But I'm sure with the Target deal, they will see a bigger piece of the pie, and they seem happier
I couldn't believe some Targets didn't have the album on the shelves last Sunday
yeah but keep in mind that the band is getting something like $5 per disc sold! That is pretty much completely unheard of for an artist to get that much. The Target deal was a smart move for them.
Wow, where did you hear that? Thats pretty impresive!
I will also say, that with this album...they have a real good chance to keep sales stronger for longer. Just release Unthought Known, Just Breathe as the next single. I think it will open many people's eyes
It was in a recent interview (can't remember which one) but I'm pretty sure it was Stone that mentioned that they were getting something like $5 a disc from Target with this deal.
Was Stone wearing a Diamond pinky ring and sayin "Kiss the ring BITCHES" while discussing their payday
I'm not questioning the interview, just seems out of Character for them to discuss that
if that is the case that is great !!!!
http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/rock-songs
It's still up there at no. 3 overall rock songs. If you click to the right of the song title, you'll see it's up there on other charts to including #76 in the Hot 100, which is pretty insane since it's been out for nine weeks.
I don't think they need to rush another single out there. They can hold onto the Fixer for probably another 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, I would love to get another single sooner than that though.
http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/musi ... -5i6a.html
Some people are predicting that the next single could trigger a second big wave of sales, but I don't see it. Some think "Just Breathe" could reach the mass popularity of "Last Kiss" and reach different formats and increase sales, but I kind of doubt it.
As for promotion for this album, where have all the Target commercials been? I seem to remember seeing the Black Eyed Peas Target commercial a ton... I've only seen Pearl Jam's Target commercial twice. ESPN is definitely pounding Pearl Jam in highlights and during college football. I think the Average Joe needs it pounded in his head more with many more Target commercials.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
Ten - 9.6 million (certified thirteen times platinum by the RIAA)
Vs. - 5.9 million (certified seven times platinum by the RIAA)
Vitalogy - 4.7 million (certified five times platinum by the RIAA)
No Code - 1.4 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Yield - 1.6 million (certified platinum by the RIAA)
Binaural - 718,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Riot Act - 508,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Pearl Jam - 706,000 (certified gold by the RIAA)
Backspacer - ???
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
In the U.S., "gold" means 500,000 copies. "Platinum" means 1 million copies. There is also a "Diamond" certification, which means 10 million copies.
On another note, in response to the reference to the staying power of "The Fixer" as "insane" because it is still #3 on Rock Songs after nine weeks and #76 on the Hot 100, it's not really anything special, especially for such a well-known artist. The songs on either side of "The Fixer"-- "Jars" by Chevelle and "New Divide" by Linkin Park-- have been on the Rock Songs chart for 13 and 16 weeks, respectively, and are still in the top five (and 16 weeks actually understates Linkin Park's longevity because the Rock Songs chart was implemented 16 weeks ago-- that's why you see several songs with the exact same 16 weeks on the chart). In addition, "The Fixer" has only been on the Hot 100 for four weeks (which is as long as it's been available to download).
If anything, the fact that the songs at the top of the Rock Songs chart have long runs tells you how stagnant rock radio (commercial radio in general, really) is, and how reluctant stations are to play anything new.
wonder why the drop off from Vitalogy onward? downloading?
That's what I was thinking about Yield, Binaural, Pearl Jam and even No Code. I thought they would move up in certification.
Sales in the first week: 189,292
AMR
WHAAHYEAH!!
It wasn't downloading. I was an early adopter of mp3's and that wasn't even until '97.
I think it was No Code. I remember at the time it didn't get alot of praise at all. It was so different then the first 3 albums. It turn off most of the non hardcore fans.
Even I didn't dig No Code at first, but I bought Yield.. somehow listening to Yield unlocked something, and I loved No Code after that.
but for all the passive fans.. alot of them bailed with no code and never came back... that was the beginning of when pj went from mainstream to more of a cult type band?
I swear I'm like the only person who thinks this. Vitalogy was the jumping off point for fans, not No Code.
Aside from Betterman, I don't think a single casual fan could name anything off of Vitalogy. And you throw in Bugs, Aye Davanita and Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me. Well....what do you expect to happen? People to come back begging for more?
I agree. Vitalogy was the album that pushed Pearl Jam out of the mainstream. No Code finished the job, along with the shunning of publicity and touring problems.
They were crushed and dying in the dirt.
We tried to pick up the pieces,
And get away without getting hurt,
But they caught us at the state line,
And burned our cars in one last fight,
And left us running burned and blind,
Chasing something in the night.