Force of nature =

lostdogs89lostdogs89 Posts: 134
edited September 2009 in The Porch
my favorite song by far and probably most complex. What do you guys think this song is about?
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  • bigbadbillbigbadbill Posts: 1,758
    To me, Force of Nature to Backspacer is like Marker in the Sand to Avocado.
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  • I'm luke warm on this one right now. It might take some time.

    Though the "Makes me ache" part is sick.
  • KloddzKloddz Posts: 2,573
    bigbadbill wrote:
    To me, Force of Nature to Backspacer is like Marker in the Sand to Avocado.
    Good comparison there!
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I love this song! It is something to hear and to see.
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  • lugnutlugnut Asheville Posts: 67
    at first FON was at the bottom of my favs...has moved up - this album is amazing, fking amazing and i know my pearl jam folks....

    as of right now

    amongst the waves
    unthoughtknown
    just breathe

    force of nature
    gonna see my friend
    got some
    jg
    the end

    supersonic
    fixer

    my album came with a defect and it sounds like there are drums on speed of sound - :) still ok though

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  • yeah, the first time i heard it, i thought it was just OK. now it's becoming one of my favs. very powerful.
  • csickels wrote:
    yeah, the first time i heard it, i thought it was just OK. now it's becoming one of my favs. very powerful.

    Same here. The guitar riff during the verses reminds me a little bit of No Way... just a little bit. But yeah, this one has grown on me a lot. I think they could have come up with a more complex solo at the end, but the one that's in there now works well nonetheless. I'm hoping that Mike will spice it up a bit live.
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  • lostdogs89 wrote:
    What do you guys think this song is about?

    This song has some of Ed's greatest writing, but it's not too deep. It's, quite simply, about a guy who loved girl who left him, went away, or died, and he can't seem to get past her or let her go. All he does is wait for her to come back. The symbolism here which I really like is the use of a lighthouse on the water, like a beacon waiting for a ship to return that may not even be out on the water, but stands there unmoving, unwilling to let go.
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  • Black10Black10 Posts: 160
    greatness!!
  • ottonypottonyp Posts: 226
    My favorite track on this amazing album!!!!
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    csickels wrote:
    yeah, the first time i heard it, i thought it was just OK. now it's becoming one of my favs. very powerful.

    Same here. The guitar riff during the verses reminds me a little bit of No Way... just a little bit. But yeah, this one has grown on me a lot. I think they could have come up with a more complex solo at the end, but the one that's in there now works well nonetheless. I'm hoping that Mike will spice it up a bit live.

    it sounds like Get Right to me, but i'm just starting to like the song a little..
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  • One of my favorites off of Backspacer. I was surprised they didn't do it in Seattle. Hopefully, Philly will get it.
    One man stands alone awaiting
    for her to come home
    eyes upon the horizon
    in the dark before the
    darkness leaves the dawn
  • csickels wrote:
    yeah, the first time i heard it, i thought it was just OK. now it's becoming one of my favs. very powerful.

    Same here. The guitar riff during the verses reminds me a little bit of No Way... just a little bit. But yeah, this one has grown on me a lot. I think they could have come up with a more complex solo at the end, but the one that's in there now works well nonetheless. I'm hoping that Mike will spice it up a bit live.

    it sounds like Get Right to me, but i'm just starting to like the song a little..

    Get Right sucks. Force of Nature is amazing! They sound nothing alike.
    One man stands alone awaiting
    for her to come home
    eyes upon the horizon
    in the dark before the
    darkness leaves the dawn
  • yield2meyield2me Posts: 1,291
    Force of Nature took some time to grow on me but after many listens I now really dig it. My only complaint is that it kind of starts off weak, something about those opening guitar lines that is just a bit off, but once the song gets going its great. It sounds like it's straight off of Riot Act.
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  • RoughMixRoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    lostdogs89 wrote:
    What do you guys think this song is about?

    This song has some of Ed's greatest writing, but it's not too deep. It's, quite simply, about a guy who loved girl who left him, went away, or died, and he can't seem to get past her or let her go. All he does is wait for her to come back. The symbolism here which I really like is the use of a lighthouse on the water, like a beacon waiting for a ship to return that may not even be out on the water, but stands there unmoving, unwilling to let go.

    +best song on the album.

    I think the woman has a alcohol or drug problem and he loves her and wants to help her but she hasn't hit bottom yet and is refusing all help.Won't grab the rope that is offered her ,"just lets go".
    Whether or not she comes back is debateable since he is still standing there "forevermore".
    "Eyes are closed",maybe praying for her to turn her life around and come home.
    But he is loyal to his "love" and his "heart don't seem to roam".
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  • Makes me ache, makes me shake

    is it so wrooong tooo think thaaaat loooove caaaaan keeeep uuuus saaaafe?


    LOVE IT 8-)
    Makes me ache, makes me shake...
    ...is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • dannydanny Posts: 2,279
    great song great album!
    danny d
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    edited September 2009
    lostdogs89 wrote:
    What do you guys think this song is about?

    This song has some of Ed's greatest writing, but it's not too deep. It's, quite simply, about a guy who loved girl who left him, went away, or died, and he can't seem to get past her or let her go. All he does is wait for her to come back. The symbolism here which I really like is the use of a lighthouse on the water, like a beacon waiting for a ship to return that may not even be out on the water, but stands there unmoving, unwilling to let go.

    Actually, and I almost don't want to do this, but that's not quite it. Ed basically spilled the beans in that interview with the Toronto paper (I hate it when he does that):

    “It's about the strength of one person in the relationship, when they can withstand some of the faults in another – maybe drug addiction, or straying off the path. The person in the song is the lighthouse for the other person caught in the storm."

    Basically, it's about being in love with a fuck-up, but instead of being pushed away by that person's faults, it actually draws you closer to them ... makes you want to save them ... or at least be there for them. To be their lighthouse in the storm, as Ed put it.

    Once you read the song through that lens, you realize how phenomenal these lyrics are.

    A hidden gem: "The strength that you might think would disappear, resolving."

    Meaning, no one would blame you for giving up on this person, but you don't. Not only that, their failings make you love them more.

    It really is a phenomenal song that really clicked with me once I realized what it was about.
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    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • RoughMix wrote:
    lostdogs89 wrote:
    What do you guys think this song is about?

    This song has some of Ed's greatest writing, but it's not too deep. It's, quite simply, about a guy who loved girl who left him, went away, or died, and he can't seem to get past her or let her go. All he does is wait for her to come back. The symbolism here which I really like is the use of a lighthouse on the water, like a beacon waiting for a ship to return that may not even be out on the water, but stands there unmoving, unwilling to let go.

    +best song on the album.

    I think the woman has a alcohol or drug problem and he loves her and wants to help her but she hasn't hit bottom yet and is refusing all help.Won't grab the rope that is offered her ,"just lets go".
    Whether or not she comes back is debateable since he is still standing there "forevermore".
    "Eyes are closed",maybe praying for her to turn her life around and come home.
    But he is loyal to his "love" and his "heart don't seem to roam".

    Yup. You got it. The "won't take the rope" line is the giveway.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    rawpixels wrote:
    Get Right sucks. Force of Nature is amazing! They sound nothing alike.

    He is using the same effect and they sound damn near the same to me. The songs are fundamentally different though, and yes, Get Right sucks.
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  • Love the lyrics, think it will sound great live.
  • RoughMixRoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    lostdogs89 wrote:
    What do you guys think this song is about?

    This song has some of Ed's greatest writing, but it's not too deep. It's, quite simply, about a guy who loved girl who left him, went away, or died, and he can't seem to get past her or let her go. All he does is wait for her to come back. The symbolism here which I really like is the use of a lighthouse on the water, like a beacon waiting for a ship to return that may not even be out on the water, but stands there unmoving, unwilling to let go.

    Actually, and I almost don't want to do this, but that's not quite it. Ed basically spilled the beans in that interview with the Toronto paper (I hate it when he does that):

    “It's about the strength of one person in the relationship, when they can withstand some of the faults in another – maybe drug addiction, or straying off the path. The person in the song is the lighthouse for the other person caught in the storm."

    Basically, it's about being in love with a fuck-up, but instead of being pushed away by that person's faults, it actually draws you closer to them ... makes you want to save them ... or at least be there for them. To be their lighthouse in the storm, as Ed put it.

    Once you read the song through that lens, you realize how phenomenal these lyrics are.

    A hidden gem: "The strength that you might think would disappear, resolving."

    Meaning, no one would blame you for giving up on this person, but you don't. Not only that, their failings make you love them more.

    It really is a phenomenal song that really clicked with me once I realized what it was about.
    Yeah, Slight didn't see that interview.About that hidden gem(which it is),

    "Somewhere there's a siren singing
    A song only he hears
    All the strength that you might think
    would disappear,resolving."

    A siren in Greek Mythology would sing her song on her island and lure sailors to thier death as they shipwrecked on that island.

    He could be hearing the woman calling to him to join her in the addiction that she has.Because of his "love" for her,his "strength" to hold fast and and save her "disappears".He then becomes resolved to the fact that maybe he cannot save her.
    After further contemplation maybe the "stands upon the shore forevermore" means she has died(or left for good) and will never return.
    Just a thought.
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  • It sounds like old, very old Pearl Jam.

    It kicks ass.
    we're all going to the same place...
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    rawpixels wrote:
    Get Right sucks. Force of Nature is amazing! They sound nothing alike.

    He is using the same effect and they sound damn near the same to me. The songs are fundamentally different though, and yes, Get Right sucks.

    aww, shit...I got my crappy song titles mixed up. I wrote Get Right, but i meant You Are. I think the effect sounds the same in FoN and You Are. I mix up some of those songs on RA because they usually get skipped, just as FoN does on BS... :oops:
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  • aww, shit...I got my crappy song titles mixed up. I wrote Get Right, but i meant You Are. I think the effect sounds the same in FoN and You Are. I mix up some of those songs on RA because they usually get skipped, just as FoN does on BS... :oops:

    I'm no gearhead, but I don't think it's the same effect. On "You Are," Matt ran a guitar through some sort of drum machine.

    I think what you're hearing on Force of Nature is just a standard "wah" pedal. Especially given it's a Mike tune.
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    for the least they could possibly do
  • aww, shit...I got my crappy song titles mixed up. I wrote Get Right, but i meant You Are. I think the effect sounds the same in FoN and You Are. I mix up some of those songs on RA because they usually get skipped, just as FoN does on BS... :oops:

    I'm no gearhead, but I don't think it's the same effect. On "You Are," Matt ran a guitar through some sort of drum machine.

    I think what you're hearing on Force of Nature is just a standard "wah" pedal. Especially given it's a Mike tune.

    Yeah, pretty much just wah. I don't hear the You Are similarity that much, at least not effects-wise. I still go back to No Way for more of a similarity. Not the song in general at all, but the opening guitar riff. Sounds somewhat similar to me... but who am I to say?
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  • TWHoltTWHolt Moncton, NB Posts: 407
    To me this song is a Prequel to Sad...the man waits for her but she doesn't get through...

    In Sad he realizes she didn't make it but still he lies in bed "hoping that dreams will bring her back"

    Right now my favorite on the album. :)
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  • Yeah, pretty much just wah. I don't hear the You Are similarity that much, at least not effects-wise. I still go back to No Way for more of a similarity. Not the song in general at all, but the opening guitar riff. Sounds somewhat similar to me... but who am I to say?

    I'm with ya ... Mike also likes his digital delay and his phaser, but this is wah with maybe a little overdrive added for flavour.
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