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Pearl Jam & Money

SpagsSpags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,052
edited September 2009 in The Porch
There is a lot of negativity on this board since Backspacer was released and I wondered what the root of it all was. To my mind they have made a record that's as pop as they are willing to venture without feeling like they are selling their souls, put a lot of faith in their producer and held back on the egos for the greater good. Its such a different direction that its seems apparent that the record really does need to do well. And by do well I mean make them lots of money. Now I understand that this is their first album out of the indie Monkeywrench stable so there is an element of risk which they have tried to minimise by appealing to the mainstream, but is this aggressive stance what's really rubbing people up the wrong way?
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  • JK109224JK109224 Posts: 633
    What rubs me up the wrong way is that the album is largely shit.
    Come to send, not condescend...
  • dendron8dendron8 Posts: 54
    you can rarely do anything in this life without some half wits trying to bring you down by complaining about this or that. the album is great, to me. and really, thats the only thing that matters. if someone says the album is sh*t or they sold out or eddie's jock strap is to small - well, who really gives a f*ck.
  • pearljamfan28pearljamfan28 Posts: 31
    The album is great...listen to it!
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    it just comes down to....you can't please all of the people all of the time.

    i'm as critical a listener as they come and i'm loving the new album!!

    i feel sorry for the people who are not allowing themselves to feel this record....they are missing out on some great tunes!!
  • SpagsSpags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,052
    JK109224 wrote:
    What rubs me up the wrong way is that the album is largely shit.

    It would be nice to hear why the album falls so far below the usual stand for you, to just label it as 'shit' seems somewhat angry to me.
    U R A Crazy Breed wrote:
    it just comes down to....you can't please all of the people all of the time.

    I get the feeling that's precisely what they attempted to do with this record, but to have fans on their own forum bitterly against what they have created seems interesting at least. I know the internet is a hive of scum and villainy at times, but does this go down after every new album or is it different this time?
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  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    The band is making the music they want to make. I doubt money or radio airplay or attracting new fans, etc had much to do with their musical direction.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    DeLukin wrote:
    The band is making the music they want to make. I doubt money or radio airplay or attracting new fans, etc had much to do with their musical direction.
    it probably has to do with all those 4 and
    once you got some $ you want more
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    pandora wrote:
    it probably has to do with all those 4 and
    once you got some $ you want more
    I'd agree that how they chose to distribute the music had a lot to do with benjamins (Stone pretty much admitted that), but I doubt that writing/choosing songs that would earn the highest ROI was much of a concern during the creation of the album.
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  • wavesonwheelswavesonwheels Posts: 101
    amanda1980 wrote:
    The album is great...listen to it!


    it really really is a great album
    the band is better than ever


    some will hate but who really cares
    no time this time to feign reluctance
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I do think its kind of funny though how all the songs are made for radio short when that hasn't been the case. Not complaining hearig them when unexpected is great I thought maybe its just a turn since Hard Sun
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    JK109224 wrote:
    What rubs me up the wrong way is that the album is largely shit.
    Possibly a bit unfair. I played it 3 times yesterday and then played No Code and realised how ordinary Backspacer seemed. I think we've been spoilt.
  • NOyieldingCODENOyieldingCODE Posts: 129
    JK109224 wrote:
    What rubs me up the wrong way is that the album is largely shit.
    +1
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  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    I think if you handed someone this album and didn't tell them who it was... If they had never heard anything prior by PJ... And they were comparing it to nearly everything else currently played on top 40 radio that was rock-like... I think that this album would rise above damn near everything else.

    It seems like what is going on is that many people hold each PJ release to a standard established by the album or two or three before it (or their favorite for that matter). While this is not necessarily a bad or unreasonable thing to do, it is my observation that PJ keeps moving the bar forward (musically speaking), not backward. Sometimes the bar is moved farther than others, but it's forward none the less.

    Just my opinion.
    "A lot more people are capable of being big out there that just don't give themselves a chance." -Stone Gossard
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