People who don't "Love" Backspacer?

Spiritual_Chaos

Anyone out there who doesn't completely adore the album?

keyser_soze

me.

still waiting for it to grow on me. i like maybe half the album. but the others always took time to sink in so i'm optimistic!

TroubledSoul

me.

it's ok.

threefish10

raises hand.

not sure if i even "like" it

JK109224

Very average album.

Songburst

I like it but don't love it. A couple of great songs, a couple of good songs and a few throw-aways. Then again, the band has always been about 4-5 years ahead of my musical tastes so I'll probably love it in 2014.

love-boat-captain

Although I think albums like avocado, riot act are good pj records and I'll add that PJ haven't made a record I don't like, it's been a while since I thought an album was a bit special. I really think Backspacer is great and haven't been this impressed with a PJ record in a while.
It dosent have the angst of the last two but has a lot of passion.
Seems quite laid back in a way. I love it.

Get_Right

me
10-15 mins of good music does not a good record make
please no synth, piano or violins on the next record
and put McCready back in the band, I dont think he is even on this record
that being said, I love just breathe and johnny guitar

SPALMA

I dread the release of their new albums...I hate all their albums when they are new. It is like waking up and finding a new person next to you that you are supposed to instantly "love" like your soulmate". It takes time and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I hope this album works on me.

I am not sure I like pearl jam all happy, touchy, feely, hopeful songs... I hope they haven't lost their edge.

This time around we have to sort thru all their new marketing crap...but I guess they are entitled to make a buck or two.

only time will tell after listening to it over & over, but at least I am giving them a chance.

cajunkiwi

I'm with you guys... I remember well when Ten/Vs/Vitalogy came out, and they immediately grabbed you and shook you awake with their energy and urgency. Ten had dark brooding lyrics, but big choruses that gave you a sense of optimism and euphoria. Vs had a raw power and rage coursing through it that took it to a whole other level. Vitalogy was just a musical explosion. They got experimental on No Code, but it was still fresh, cool, and new - just like Ten sounded like nothing else when it came out, No Code sounded like nothing else when it came out. The Eastern-influenced drumming on In My Tree and Who You Are was pretty badass, Lukin is a killer song for being so short, and Present Tense showed that sometimes, instrumentally, less is more.

And I haven't "loved" an album of theirs since.

Ed still has the patented Eddie anger in his voice, but it sounds forced, like he got old and rich and happy (imagine that!) - it's like it used to be rage, and now it's just been downgraded to anger lol. The band is tighter and technically better, but it's come at the expense of pure emotion. I got into them because they sounded like they had dirt under their fingernails, they were rough around the edges and real. Now they sound like they have manicures and clean nails, and they've sanded away the rough edges. I remember an ooooold (mid-90s I think) interview with Stone where he said he loved the spaces between the notes - but those spaces have long since disappeared. What made them "Pearl Jam" left the building a long time ago - now they sound like a Ramones/The Who hybrid. The problem with that is you can't play punk if you're going to polish it and make it shiny. PJ used to have Stone playing killer riffs (that weren't just variations of scales), Mike playing screaming solos, and Jeff working the fretboard like a madman. Now the solos have gone, and they've been replaced by power chords in 4/4 time, while Jeff just bangs out quarter notes (unless it's a Matt song - that man knows more time signatures and beats than I ever thought possible). Lyrics like "On the edge of a Christmas-clean love, young virgin from heaven visiting hell, to the man above her she just ain't nothing, and she doesn't like the view, but he sinks himself deep" have been replaced by "When something's broke I wanna put a little fixin' on it."

It's cool that a lot of people on this board like Backspacer, but there are also a lot of people who will like them on principle because it's Pearl Jam. Eddie could burp into a mic and they'd swoon. It's like the story about why Dave Chappelle quit the industry - people were coming to his shows and going crazy because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE, and he found he couldn't tell if his jokes were still funny or not - he could've told "knock knock" jokes and people would've laughed and cheered because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE.

That being said, I also don't doubt that there are a lot of people who do genuinely love this album, just as there are people who count Riot Act, Binaural, and self-titled as their favorite albums by PJ - and that's awesome, there's something for everyone. I'd like to know though, at what point did those people start listening to Pearl Jam? Did the Binaural crowd start getting into them when Binaural came out? How many people old enough to have gotten into them when Ten came out are in the subset that thinks Riot Act is a masterpiece and their best work?

I've been there since day one, and while they're by far and away my favorite band, I haven't "loved" anything they've done since No Code (apologies to the majority of the people on this board - I'm actually kinda indifferent to Yield). Habit is the last rock song they wrote where it sounds like they were really trying to tear the roof off the room - everything since then may have started off sounding like that, but once the track was laid it was then polished until it sounded like Pearl Jam covering Pearl Jam, instead of Pearl Jam being Pearl Jam. I think that's why so many people prefer to see them live - you get the Pearl Jam presence that their albums have been missing for the last ten years. Listen to Do The Evolution on CD, then go and see them in concert and hear them do it live - consider that Exhibits A-Y. Exhibit Z is Mike playing Even Flow - it's on the set list every night because he loves to play it... it has a killer riff, and he can solo his ass off. Call me skeptical, but with the amount of talent that man has, it's hard to imagine him getting giddy with excitement over yet another 3-minute-long punk song with no solo.

The old Pearl Jam was innovative and new, they were taking risks and reinventing the game. New Pearl Jam is just a shiny, polished, 70s-era punk band. They may be better than almost every other band out there, but they're a far cry from the band they used to be. I'm not disappointed in Backspacer by any means, but that's only because I saw it coming... When I heard they were remixing Ten and going through old material, I thought it might inspire them to come out with a throwback album with dark lyrics, soaring choruses, and dirty killer riffs. Then they started giving interviews describing the songs as short, punk/new wave-ish, and happy. Backspacer isn't a "return to form" at all, because their albums have all been good - there are ones you like more than others, but there aren't any real clunkers in the mix (at least not for me) - but what it is, is the next step in their progression from being an angry, edgy, hungry young rock band with a message, to an old, well-fed, content band that goes back and forth between 70s-style punk songs about pimps on album covers to crooning Into The Wild leftovers (full disclosure: I do, in fact, love the Into The Wild soundtrack - it's the first thing PJ-related in years that not only blew me away from the first listen, but also holds up perfectly and stirs the same warm memories each time I revisit it). They're not "returning" to anything - they're just continuing their march forward, and I'm personally not excited about the direction they chose to head in.

That being said, at the end of the day they're still a really good band, and there are plenty of people who love their sound these days, and that makes me happy. This album will bring in new fans, who will get to discover 20 years worth of solid music, and I'm always stoked to see new fans getting into Pearl Jam (I don't like the Last Kiss cover, but I give it a pass for that reason - it got new people interested in the band lol).

I'll continue to get excited every spring when talk of a summer tour comes around, and I'll continue to wait with baited breath to see if that tour comes anywhere near me (hopefully at some point soon it will so I can stop bitching about how long it's been since I last saw them in concert), but I learned long ago to not get too carried away with anticipation over a new studio album. To each his own, I guess.

Damn was that a long-winded rambling old man post...

Brisk.

there are 2 or 3 iffy songs but 2 or 3 ubelieveably good ongs then a few pretty good solid pj songs

yield2me

cajunkiwi wrote:

I'm with you guys... I remember well when Ten/Vs/Vitalogy came out, and they immediately grabbed you and shook you awake with their energy and urgency. Ten had dark brooding lyrics, but big choruses that gave you a sense of optimism and euphoria. Vs had a raw power and rage coursing through it that took it to a whole other level. Vitalogy was just a musical explosion. They got experimental on No Code, but it was still fresh, cool, and new - just like Ten sounded like nothing else when it came out, No Code sounded like nothing else when it came out. The Eastern-influenced drumming on In My Tree and Who You Are was pretty badass, Lukin is a killer song for being so short, and Present Tense showed that sometimes, instrumentally, less is more.

And I haven't "loved" an album of theirs since.

Ed still has the patented Eddie anger in his voice, but it sounds forced, like he got old and rich and happy (imagine that!) - it's like it used to be rage, and now it's just been downgraded to anger lol. The band is tighter and technically better, but it's come at the expense of pure emotion. I got into them because they sounded like they had dirt under their fingernails, they were rough around the edges and real. Now they sound like they have manicures and clean nails, and they've sanded away the rough edges. I remember an ooooold (mid-90s I think) interview with Stone where he said he loved the spaces between the notes - but those spaces have long since disappeared. What made them "Pearl Jam" left the building a long time ago - now they sound like a Ramones/The Who hybrid. The problem with that is you can't play punk if you're going to polish it and make it shiny. PJ used to have Stone playing killer riffs (that weren't just variations of scales), Mike playing screaming solos, and Jeff working the fretboard like a madman. Now the solos have gone, and they've been replaced by power chords in 4/4 time, while Jeff just bangs out quarter notes (unless it's a Matt song - that man knows more time signatures and beats than I ever thought possible). Lyrics like "On the edge of a Christmas-clean love, young virgin from heaven visiting hell, to the man above her she just ain't nothing, and she doesn't like the view, but he sinks himself deep" have been replaced by "When something's broke I wanna put a little fixin' on it."

It's cool that a lot of people on this board like Backspacer, but there are also a lot of people who will like them on principle because it's Pearl Jam. Eddie could burp into a mic and they'd swoon. It's like the story about why Dave Chappelle quit the industry - people were coming to his shows and going crazy because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE, and he found he couldn't tell if his jokes were still funny or not - he could've told "knock knock" jokes and people would've laughed and cheered because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE.

That being said, I also don't doubt that there are a lot of people who do genuinely love this album, just as there are people who count Riot Act, Binaural, and self-titled as their favorite albums by PJ - and that's awesome, there's something for everyone. I'd like to know though, at what point did those people start listening to Pearl Jam? Did the Binaural crowd start getting into them when Binaural came out? How many people old enough to have gotten into them when Ten came out are in the subset that thinks Riot Act is a masterpiece and their best work?

I've been there since day one, and while they're by far and away my favorite band, I haven't "loved" anything they've done since No Code (apologies to the majority of the people on this board - I'm actually kinda indifferent to Yield). Habit is the last rock song they wrote where it sounds like they were really trying to tear the roof off the room - everything since then may have started off sounding like that, but once the track was laid it was then polished until it sounded like Pearl Jam covering Pearl Jam, instead of Pearl Jam being Pearl Jam. I think that's why so many people prefer to see them live - you get the Pearl Jam presence that their albums have been missing for the last ten years. Listen to Do The Evolution on CD, then go and see them in concert and hear them do it live - consider that Exhibits A-Y. Exhibit Z is Mike playing Even Flow - it's on the set list every night because he loves to play it... it has a killer riff, and he can solo his ass off. Call me skeptical, but with the amount of talent that man has, it's hard to imagine him getting giddy with excitement over yet another 3-minute-long punk song with no solo.

The old Pearl Jam was innovative and new, they were taking risks and reinventing the game. New Pearl Jam is just a shiny, polished, 70s-era punk band. They may be better than almost every other band out there, but they're a far cry from the band they used to be. I'm not disappointed in Backspacer by any means, but that's only because I saw it coming... When I heard they were remixing Ten and going through old material, I thought it might inspire them to come out with a throwback album with dark lyrics, soaring choruses, and dirty killer riffs. Then they started giving interviews describing the songs as short, punk/new wave-ish, and happy. Backspacer isn't a "return to form" at all, because their albums have all been good - there are ones you like more than others, but there aren't any real clunkers in the mix (at least not for me) - but what it is, is the next step in their progression from being an angry, edgy, hungry young rock band with a message, to an old, well-fed, content band that goes back and forth between 70s-style punk songs about pimps on album covers to crooning Into The Wild leftovers (full disclosure: I do, in fact, love the Into The Wild soundtrack - it's the first thing PJ-related in years that not only blew me away from the first listen, but also holds up perfectly and stirs the same warm memories each time I revisit it). They're not "returning" to anything - they're just continuing their march forward, and I'm personally not excited about the direction they chose to head in.

That being said, at the end of the day they're still a really good band, and there are plenty of people who love their sound these days, and that makes me happy. This album will bring in new fans, who will get to discover 20 years worth of solid music, and I'm always stoked to see new fans getting into Pearl Jam (I don't like the Last Kiss cover, but I give it a pass for that reason - it got new people interested in the band lol).

I'll continue to get excited every spring when talk of a summer tour comes around, and I'll continue to wait with baited breath to see if that tour comes anywhere near me (hopefully at some point soon it will so I can stop bitching about how long it's been since I last saw them in concert), but I learned long ago to not get too carried away with anticipation over a new studio album. To each his own, I guess.

Damn was that a long-winded rambling old man post...

you're wrong about so many things in what you said that I don't even know where to begin...

jammerfall

Nothing will ever touch the magic of the Ten/Vs/Vitalogy era. I felt like the band showed us that, starting with No Code, they were gonna shake their music up a bit. I haven't been surprised by any release since then.

I really, really like Backspacer and I think it effectively represents the guys at this time in their lives and career.

Be proud and rock on, Pearl Jam!

Kilgore_Trout

threefish10 wrote:

raises hand.

not sure if i even "like" it

same

especially considering theyre sharing the week with new AIC and new flaming lips

you can say both those bands played it safe and did their usual thing on those albums but theyre solid throughout... for everyone thats saying "atleast PJ tried something new", "quit living in the past", etc. about backspacer - you only get credit for trying something "new" if you do it successfully... my problems not with the poppiness as much as its done poorly on a few of the tracks (namely ATW)... and i dont think its a matter of "letting it grow on me" because its not rocket science like "kid a" or something

a handful of good songs on backspacer though... and none of them will be too terrible live

oh and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, cajunkiwi... dont necessarily agree with everything but its seems thoughtful

corduroykelly

people who don't care if you like it? ME Go to the sky I scrape a bitch!

Marcus Maximus

yea its just ok 4-5 good songs its a forgetable album nothing will every touch TEN/Vs/Vitology/Yield ive excepted that they are never gonna make music that good again but they are and continue to be a better live band

KL288009

I wanted to like it, I really did. And there are a couple of songs that are growing on me--Unthought Known at the top of that list. But, I'm not crazy about the polished Speed of Sound or catchy Fixer.

But, then, this album really isn't for me. After all, I've been a fan from the beginning. I bought Ten on cassette in 1992 and think the Singles version of State of Love and Trust is the best of all time. I may not have loved every song on experiments like Vitalogy, No Code and Riot Act, but these are some of my favorite albums because they all went against the grain-- a quality that is undeniably Pearl Jam--and representative of my youth.

This album isn't really for the long-time fan. Backspacer and the new marketing effort seems to be aimed at reaching new, younger fans. Admirably on their own terms, of course, but I am not part of that demographic. I am (gasp) one of the "old people" Ed mentions in the new Spin article. For context, here's an excerpt:

Like, "I remember you guys -- 1992, right?"

"Exactly. And I feel like if we were a niche band, then we'd have our little thing now and that would be fine. But we're bigger than that. I think these songs are worth hearing. And it's not like the airwaves are cluttered with the greatest music. What -- if we don't do it, American Idol will? A lot of what we're doing now is about getting new ranks of kids coming in, and not just playing for old people all the time."

Because then you're Foghat at the state fair.

"Right. Which is great, too, 'cause it's Foghat, and we're at the state fair, and we're waiting for 'Slow Ride,' and then it's, 'Baby, put down your chili cheese dog, it's "Slow Ride"!' I just don't ever want it to be, 'Baby, put down your chili cheese dog, it's "Jeremy".'"

http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic ... 4&t=111283


While I don’t love the new sound, I’m cool with it. Rock on.

Wobbie

cajunkiwi wrote:

Damn was that a long-winded rambling old man post...

but worth the read!!

KL288009 wrote:

"Right. Which is great, too, 'cause it's Foghat, and we're at the state fair, and we're waiting for 'Slow Ride,' and then it's, 'Baby, put down your chili cheese dog, it's "Slow Ride"!' I just don't ever want it to be, 'Baby, put down your chili cheese dog, it's "Jeremy".'"

I cannot believe Ed is dissing Foghat! :shock: :shock:

without Foghat, there is no Pearl Jam.

yosi

cajunkiwi wrote:

I'm with you guys... I remember well when Ten/Vs/Vitalogy came out, and they immediately grabbed you and shook you awake with their energy and urgency. Ten had dark brooding lyrics, but big choruses that gave you a sense of optimism and euphoria. Vs had a raw power and rage coursing through it that took it to a whole other level. Vitalogy was just a musical explosion. They got experimental on No Code, but it was still fresh, cool, and new - just like Ten sounded like nothing else when it came out, No Code sounded like nothing else when it came out. The Eastern-influenced drumming on In My Tree and Who You Are was pretty badass, Lukin is a killer song for being so short, and Present Tense showed that sometimes, instrumentally, less is more.

And I haven't "loved" an album of theirs since.

Ed still has the patented Eddie anger in his voice, but it sounds forced, like he got old and rich and happy (imagine that!) - it's like it used to be rage, and now it's just been downgraded to anger lol. The band is tighter and technically better, but it's come at the expense of pure emotion. I got into them because they sounded like they had dirt under their fingernails, they were rough around the edges and real. Now they sound like they have manicures and clean nails, and they've sanded away the rough edges. I remember an ooooold (mid-90s I think) interview with Stone where he said he loved the spaces between the notes - but those spaces have long since disappeared. What made them "Pearl Jam" left the building a long time ago - now they sound like a Ramones/The Who hybrid. The problem with that is you can't play punk if you're going to polish it and make it shiny. PJ used to have Stone playing killer riffs (that weren't just variations of scales), Mike playing screaming solos, and Jeff working the fretboard like a madman. Now the solos have gone, and they've been replaced by power chords in 4/4 time, while Jeff just bangs out quarter notes (unless it's a Matt song - that man knows more time signatures and beats than I ever thought possible). Lyrics like "On the edge of a Christmas-clean love, young virgin from heaven visiting hell, to the man above her she just ain't nothing, and she doesn't like the view, but he sinks himself deep" have been replaced by "When something's broke I wanna put a little fixin' on it."

It's cool that a lot of people on this board like Backspacer, but there are also a lot of people who will like them on principle because it's Pearl Jam. Eddie could burp into a mic and they'd swoon. It's like the story about why Dave Chappelle quit the industry - people were coming to his shows and going crazy because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE, and he found he couldn't tell if his jokes were still funny or not - he could've told "knock knock" jokes and people would've laughed and cheered because IT WAS DAVE CHAPPELLE.

That being said, I also don't doubt that there are a lot of people who do genuinely love this album, just as there are people who count Riot Act, Binaural, and self-titled as their favorite albums by PJ - and that's awesome, there's something for everyone. I'd like to know though, at what point did those people start listening to Pearl Jam? Did the Binaural crowd start getting into them when Binaural came out? How many people old enough to have gotten into them when Ten came out are in the subset that thinks Riot Act is a masterpiece and their best work?

I've been there since day one, and while they're by far and away my favorite band, I haven't "loved" anything they've done since No Code (apologies to the majority of the people on this board - I'm actually kinda indifferent to Yield). Habit is the last rock song they wrote where it sounds like they were really trying to tear the roof off the room - everything since then may have started off sounding like that, but once the track was laid it was then polished until it sounded like Pearl Jam covering Pearl Jam, instead of Pearl Jam being Pearl Jam. I think that's why so many people prefer to see them live - you get the Pearl Jam presence that their albums have been missing for the last ten years. Listen to Do The Evolution on CD, then go and see them in concert and hear them do it live - consider that Exhibits A-Y. Exhibit Z is Mike playing Even Flow - it's on the set list every night because he loves to play it... it has a killer riff, and he can solo his ass off. Call me skeptical, but with the amount of talent that man has, it's hard to imagine him getting giddy with excitement over yet another 3-minute-long punk song with no solo.

The old Pearl Jam was innovative and new, they were taking risks and reinventing the game. New Pearl Jam is just a shiny, polished, 70s-era punk band. They may be better than almost every other band out there, but they're a far cry from the band they used to be. I'm not disappointed in Backspacer by any means, but that's only because I saw it coming... When I heard they were remixing Ten and going through old material, I thought it might inspire them to come out with a throwback album with dark lyrics, soaring choruses, and dirty killer riffs. Then they started giving interviews describing the songs as short, punk/new wave-ish, and happy. Backspacer isn't a "return to form" at all, because their albums have all been good - there are ones you like more than others, but there aren't any real clunkers in the mix (at least not for me) - but what it is, is the next step in their progression from being an angry, edgy, hungry young rock band with a message, to an old, well-fed, content band that goes back and forth between 70s-style punk songs about pimps on album covers to crooning Into The Wild leftovers (full disclosure: I do, in fact, love the Into The Wild soundtrack - it's the first thing PJ-related in years that not only blew me away from the first listen, but also holds up perfectly and stirs the same warm memories each time I revisit it). They're not "returning" to anything - they're just continuing their march forward, and I'm personally not excited about the direction they chose to head in.

That being said, at the end of the day they're still a really good band, and there are plenty of people who love their sound these days, and that makes me happy. This album will bring in new fans, who will get to discover 20 years worth of solid music, and I'm always stoked to see new fans getting into Pearl Jam (I don't like the Last Kiss cover, but I give it a pass for that reason - it got new people interested in the band lol).

I'll continue to get excited every spring when talk of a summer tour comes around, and I'll continue to wait with baited breath to see if that tour comes anywhere near me (hopefully at some point soon it will so I can stop bitching about how long it's been since I last saw them in concert), but I learned long ago to not get too carried away with anticipation over a new studio album. To each his own, I guess.

Damn was that a long-winded rambling old man post...

Ten and VS. were my two first PJ albums, and were what really got me into the band. I thought both were brilliant and listened to them non-stop for years. Yet somehow, Riot Act and Binaural are still my two favorites. Go figure.

That being said, I do agree w/a lot of what you wrote. I actually don't know why so many people say that this album is experimental, cause I don't really hear that at all. Also, many people say that it being experimental is an end in itself, and that it should be commended. But if the songs aren't great, who cares if they are experimental.

This album is fine, and there are some songs I do like, but there is nothing on it that really thrills me, and that really makes me think or feel, wow, this is incredible.

hedave

Some of you want Backspacer to "grow" on you? Are you fucking kidding me. This whole album brings back hints of Ten, Vs. and Vitalogy; and Eddie sounds amazing. Get your heads right!

Flagg

What were you all expecting? I am really curious. I could not have taken another Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado.

hedave

Eddie and the boys just took a risk with the overall production. Why are there some that always have to downplay even the best of things?

1STmammal2wearPants

Flagg wrote:

What were you all expecting? I am really curious. I could not have taken another Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado.

At this point I am enjoying Binaural more.............

yosi

Flagg wrote:

What were you all expecting? I am really curious. I could not have taken another Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado.

See, for me its weird you say that, cause in a lot of ways, I think this album sounds very much like Avocado #2.

And like I said, I love Binaural and RA (Avocado much less) and this one is just meh.

Kilgore_Trout

hedave wrote:

Eddie and the boys just took a risk with the overall production. Why are there some that always have to downplay even the best of things?

the questions not whether or not they took a risk - they jumped the fuckin shark with this one - its whether or not the risk paid off... i understand where theyre coming from with this album - its obviously in response to where they are in their lives and i respect that and their need to make an album like this... but it doesnt speak to me and it doesnt speak to the times... i want something that addresses whats going on in the world right now and i could usually turn to PJ to encompass that musically... you say "lighten up, its a fun album, blah" right? i think PJ couldve taken more productive risks with this album is all... i dont wanna beat a dead horse cause it really isnt a horrible album... its just not what i was hoping for

HollisBrown

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Anyone out there who doesn't completely adore the album?

Let's see. I adore my wife, my new puppy, etc. An album? I don't think so. There are some great PJ songs on this album, some great Eddie Vedder solo songs and some good songs. As I continue to listen we'll see how/if it grows on me. But adore, NOT.

hedave

Some of you guys are smoking some bad rock.

yosi

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

hedave wrote:

Eddie and the boys just took a risk with the overall production. Why are there some that always have to downplay even the best of things?

the questions not whether or not they took a risk - they jumped the fuckin shark with this one - its whether or not the risk paid off... i understand where theyre coming from with this album - its obviously in response to where they are in their lives and i respect that and their need to make an album like this... but it doesnt speak to me and it doesnt speak to the times... i want something that addresses whats going on in the world right now and i could usually turn to PJ to encompass that musically... you say "lighten up, its a fun album, blah" right? i think PJ couldve taken more productive risks with this album is all... i dont wanna beat a dead horse cause it really isnt a horrible album... its just not what i was hoping for

Exactly. Taking risks doesn't automatically equate with goodness.

donraven

yosi wrote:

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

hedave wrote:

Eddie and the boys just took a risk with the overall production. Why are there some that always have to downplay even the best of things?

the questions not whether or not they took a risk - they jumped the fuckin shark with this one - its whether or not the risk paid off... i understand where theyre coming from with this album - its obviously in response to where they are in their lives and i respect that and their need to make an album like this... but it doesnt speak to me and it doesnt speak to the times... i want something that addresses whats going on in the world right now and i could usually turn to PJ to encompass that musically... you say "lighten up, its a fun album, blah" right? i think PJ couldve taken more productive risks with this album is all... i dont wanna beat a dead horse cause it really isnt a horrible album... its just not what i was hoping for

Exactly. Taking risks doesn't automatically equate with goodness.

Here is does. Sorry you don't like the new album. Maybe next time.

Kilgore_Trout

donraven wrote:

yosi wrote:

Exactly. Taking risks doesn't automatically equate with goodness.

Here is does. Sorry you don't like the new album. Maybe next time.

exactly... no ones talking about throwing in the towel here... every band has there highs and lows... im in it for the long haul

yosi

donraven wrote:

yosi wrote:

Exactly. Taking risks doesn't automatically equate with goodness.

Here is does. Sorry you don't like the new album. Maybe next time.

Its not that I don't like it, its just that's I don't think its nearly as good as everyone else, but that's fine, that's why its my opinion and not fact.

And I don't think that risks ever inherently guarantee success.