Just saw the Target Commercial
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On Adult Swim. It's just the Fixer video with Target logos in the background.
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Fox Theater, Atlanta GA, 1994: 'There are no fucking sponsors'
Hey guess what?? 1994 called and said
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THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS. What happened?
Not sure how long that will be up, but here's the commercial.
Seriously?? People are getting pissed about that??? Chill out/GROW UP!
Dude, this isn't about growing up. This is fucking disturbing. You are likely younger and don't remember some of the shit that I do. At the early shows, PJ used to cover any advertising in an arena--it was part of their rider. There were no interviews, no PR, no garbage--in fact, a guy got tossed out of the band for wanting to do this shit.
THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS.
What the fuck happened? What went wrong?
I'm just going to say my piece here. You don't have to agree, or disagree. I hold no ill will towards you in any of this. I just want to say/think out loud what I'm thinking in my head.
I LOVE Pearl Jam, whenever I try to think of a list of top 5, or top 10 bands, the only thing I know for sure is that Pearl Jam is # 1. The rest? they change on a daily basis. So I say to anyone and everyone who will listen is to me, band wise, it's Pearl Jam, and then everyone else #2-infinity.
But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. While I agree with them on lots of things, I still get annoyed time to time when Ed goes on some rant about something.
And I feel as if some people can't grasp that the music/art has (at least in my eyes) NEVER been compromised in anything they have done. And that to me is the litmus test. Does the music still stand true? Still stand for something? Still make me think/reflect on my own life??
That to me is what makes music important/POWERFUL. I view music as being the most BASIC of any art, because at the root of it all, all you need is your voice/mind to create it. No brush, no paint, no tools to create anything....other than a voice, and that is something that each and everyone of us has.
So, while I understand where you are coming from, saying that they have changed/compromised what they are/what they used to represent, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Why? Because TALK is cheap, deals to promote your art, to expand your voice to the masses.....TO ME are inconsequential to the bigger picture. That being, the art itself. Who cares how you have to promote it, who cares how it reaches the massed (if it ever does that is) who cares what you have said or done in the past.
All that matters to me is 1 thing. And that is does the art itself suffer?? And to me, and may perchance only me, promotion of art is not a BAD thing, regardless of what has been said/done before, because if the art still remains true, who cares who told you/delivers it to you.
And as far as the big retailers go, Target makes sense - they have morals, they are not Wal-Mart, and hell, I even enjoy shopping there. What would you rather happen, have them self release the album with no support and it doesn't sell at all? And if you think this is them selling out, wouldn't they have sold out already when they did any promotion for past albums by appearing on Letterman (supporting CBS) or Conan (NBC?) Or when "Yellow Ledbetter" was on the series finale of Friends?
People need to chill out and stop worrying about things that don't even really matter to them. What is important is that Pearl Jam is awesome and that there are some great songs on Backspacer.
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They grew up, so should you. What's so wrong with these guys making some coin after 20 years of hard work? They have families and have a right to take care of them. Move along if it is such a crime.
But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. .[/quote]
What they stood for, what they represented is what made them special. That is what set them apart. That is what set their music apart. This isn't about 'growing up'. This isn't about 'providing for their families'. This is wholesale hypocrisy.
I love their music too. But this is just straight out disheartening.
You are being "wholesale" ridiculous.
Not really. When you go from making venues cover beer sponsors, saying that 'there are no sponsors', to shooting a fucking Target commercial, that is hypocrisy. No two ways about it. And if you don't realize that, well, I don't even know what to say.
Me too.
I'm sorry that you feel that way, truly I am. I guess we will never see it the same, but that is ok in my mind. Maybe in times past I would feel the same as you do. I suppose at some point I did, and I'm sorry I said that people need to 'grow up'.
That, I guess really isn't what I meant. I can't quite explain how I think of it/why I think what I think. I suppose it is life's experiences that change us/mold us into what we are, and what we view as being 'ok' or not being 'ok'
I guess.....what I'm trying to say/been trying to say is....It's ok if you lose 'faith' in how Pearl Jam represents themselves, as long as you still take the time/opportunity to listen, regardless of how it is presented to you.
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Appreciate that, but this is the core of my issue. What happens when you lose faith in something you truly believe in? Understand, I'm not some idiot that only believed in PJ. But I definitely looked at them as an entity that stood for something--and stood for it no matter what. I'll always listen, but now I wonder what the fuck is going on. I'm sorry I can't articulate it better, but something is off, and I can't ignore it.
By PJ's previous standards, or anyone else's, you can't make a 'subtle commercial'. You can't be a little pregnant.
Sounds like maybe YOU sold out.
And sounds like you are reliving the heyday of your Aug 25th posts...go back to sleep, troll...
i must say, beautifully put.
I think Tool's Hooker with a Penis basically summarises any debate that has/will come from the commercial.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Now honestly tell me that in that same period of time, all of your viewpoints remain exactly the same as they did from day one. People change as they grow and make decisions to suit their lifestyle... many times different from what they would choose at another point in their lives.
I'm pretty sure I remember a TV commercial for Yield as well.
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and i must say...seeing that commercial with them playing, and all the fucking Target logos in the background made me fucking sad!!! I still love this band and i love the new album....but i guess things were different then and all is different now...and we have every right to be sad without being attacked by non-like minded people!!
I think it is disingenuous for anyone to question the folks who seem somewhat confused if not let down by the Target tie in.
That said, the entirety of it is all about self rationalization for the most part from the fan point of view. Fans rationalized the move back to using Ticketmaster in 1998, fans rationalize the bands support of politicians behind vague slogans such as "Vote for Change" which was quizzical at best as it basically amounted to "change" is better than what we already have just for the sake of it, or we don't want to be responsible for this guy who might win, but we definitely don't want Bush. The latter is not terribly hard to agree with but supporting a word is weird.
Personally I gave up on Pearl Jam's dedication to fight the good fight when it limped back tail between legs to Ticketmaster, did it stop me from enjoying the band? Nope. It just opened my eyes wide to the mountains and mole hills, things that matter and don't. In the end trying to take on Ticketmaster could have been done, but clearly to the band the effort was not going to outweigh the shortcomings.
So was I surprised that they made a deal with a corporation, yes. But I have grown up in the 15 years since they first tried to take down a machine and witnessed in that time a great many changes in the way systems work. Pearl Jam was able to make what seems like a fairly mutually beneficial deal with a corporation that they felt was not going to be a stain on their image.
This is not the first time that pearl jam's ethos has come into the alley of rationalization. And it won't be the last. And frankly in the coming year, or frankly months, it will be of significant interest to me to see if they remain silent or rationalize the double down War efforts in Afghanistan more so than running an ad for Target.
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That is an awfully sick generalization and rationalization.
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good post!...people think you can't question shit about the band...like it's bashing them by reminding them what they chose to stand for....and i am also really curious to see if Ed is silent about the war now that his boy Obama is in office...i know that interview he did in Canada last month was very disheartening...to hear Ed still being optimistic and happy about this piece of shit we have for a President who has not only not done the things he had promised(yeah...big fucking surprise!) but he has furthered the agenda that was started by the Bush administration!!....and if he thinks the fear mongering is just dems vs repubs...he is sadly mistaken...it's them vs us!! citizens vs corrupt corporate whore bag politicians!.....and so many people are either too stupid or distracted by meaningless bullshit, to see this country has been hi-jacked.
I was honestly more bothered by their "all corporations are evil" stance than by things like this Target commercial so maybe I'm the oddball on this board?