Just saw the Target Commercial

SpokenJeremy

On Adult Swim. It's just the Fixer video with Target logos in the background.

SM10080

TacoJammer wrote:

On Adult Swim. It's just the Fixer video with Target logos in the background.

Fox Theater, Atlanta GA, 1994: 'There are no fucking sponsors'

Thorns2010

SM10080 wrote:

TacoJammer wrote:

On Adult Swim. It's just the Fixer video with Target logos in the background.

Fox Theater, Atlanta GA, 1994: 'There are no fucking sponsors'

Hey guess what?? 1994 called and said

1994 wrote:

Dude, like that's cool and all, but I'm 15 years old now, so like...dude, you should totally grow up!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

SM10080

Thorns2010 wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

TacoJammer wrote:

On Adult Swim. It's just the Fixer video with Target logos in the background.

Fox Theater, Atlanta GA, 1994: 'There are no fucking sponsors'

Hey guess what?? 1994 called and said

1994 wrote:

Dude, like that's cool and all, but I'm 15 years old now, so like...dude, you should totally grow up!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS. What happened?

Thorns2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QYAWXK7fo

Not sure how long that will be up, but here's the commercial.

Seriously?? People are getting pissed about that??? Chill out/GROW UP!

SM10080

Thorns2010 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QYAWXK7fo

Not sure how long that will be up, but here's the commercial.

Seriously?? People are getting pissed about that??? Chill out/GROW UP!

Dude, this isn't about growing up. This is fucking disturbing. You are likely younger and don't remember some of the shit that I do. At the early shows, PJ used to cover any advertising in an arena--it was part of their rider. There were no interviews, no PR, no garbage--in fact, a guy got tossed out of the band for wanting to do this shit.

THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS.

What the fuck happened? What went wrong?

Thorns2010

SM10080 wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QYAWXK7fo

Not sure how long that will be up, but here's the commercial.

Seriously?? People are getting pissed about that??? Chill out/GROW UP!

Dude, this isn't about growing up. This is fucking disturbing. You are likely younger and don't remember some of the shit that I do. At the early shows, PJ used to cover any advertising in an arena--it was part of their rider. There were no interviews, no PR, no garbage--in fact, a guy got tossed out of the band for wanting to do this shit.

THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS.

What the fuck happened? What went wrong?

I'm just going to say my piece here. You don't have to agree, or disagree. I hold no ill will towards you in any of this. I just want to say/think out loud what I'm thinking in my head.

I LOVE Pearl Jam, whenever I try to think of a list of top 5, or top 10 bands, the only thing I know for sure is that Pearl Jam is # 1. The rest? they change on a daily basis. So I say to anyone and everyone who will listen is to me, band wise, it's Pearl Jam, and then everyone else #2-infinity.

But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. While I agree with them on lots of things, I still get annoyed time to time when Ed goes on some rant about something.

And I feel as if some people can't grasp that the music/art has (at least in my eyes) NEVER been compromised in anything they have done. And that to me is the litmus test. Does the music still stand true? Still stand for something? Still make me think/reflect on my own life??

That to me is what makes music important/POWERFUL. I view music as being the most BASIC of any art, because at the root of it all, all you need is your voice/mind to create it. No brush, no paint, no tools to create anything....other than a voice, and that is something that each and everyone of us has.

So, while I understand where you are coming from, saying that they have changed/compromised what they are/what they used to represent, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Why? Because TALK is cheap, deals to promote your art, to expand your voice to the masses.....TO ME are inconsequential to the bigger picture. That being, the art itself. Who cares how you have to promote it, who cares how it reaches the massed (if it ever does that is) who cares what you have said or done in the past.

All that matters to me is 1 thing. And that is does the art itself suffer?? And to me, and may perchance only me, promotion of art is not a BAD thing, regardless of what has been said/done before, because if the art still remains true, who cares who told you/delivers it to you.

jdelin

Why are people getting so worked up about this? I have been a fan of the band since 1991 and I have no problem with this. Maybe it is about growing up, getting married, having a kid, etc. If you read the new SPIN article, it explains a lot. PJ still does things on their terms - self-releasing the album, signing the deal with Target but still able to sell the album at indie stores and their website. And talk about selling out, as mentioned in the article, PJ was signed to SONY for almost 20 years!

And as far as the big retailers go, Target makes sense - they have morals, they are not Wal-Mart, and hell, I even enjoy shopping there. What would you rather happen, have them self release the album with no support and it doesn't sell at all? And if you think this is them selling out, wouldn't they have sold out already when they did any promotion for past albums by appearing on Letterman (supporting CBS) or Conan (NBC?) Or when "Yellow Ledbetter" was on the series finale of Friends?

People need to chill out and stop worrying about things that don't even really matter to them. What is important is that Pearl Jam is awesome and that there are some great songs on Backspacer.

SolarWorld

SM10080 wrote:

What the fuck happened? What went wrong?

They grew up, so should you. What's so wrong with these guys making some coin after 20 years of hard work? They have families and have a right to take care of them. Move along if it is such a crime.

SM10080

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But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. .[/quote]

What they stood for, what they represented is what made them special. That is what set them apart. That is what set their music apart. This isn't about 'growing up'. This isn't about 'providing for their families'. This is wholesale hypocrisy.

I love their music too. But this is just straight out disheartening.

SolarWorld

SM10080 wrote:

This is wholesale hypocrisy.

You are being "wholesale" ridiculous.

SM10080

SolarWorld wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

This is wholesale hypocrisy.

You are being "wholesale" ridiculous.

Not really. When you go from making venues cover beer sponsors, saying that 'there are no sponsors', to shooting a fucking Target commercial, that is hypocrisy. No two ways about it. And if you don't realize that, well, I don't even know what to say.

SolarWorld

SM10080 wrote:

I don't even know what to say.

Me too.

Thorns2010

SM10080 wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. .

What they stood for, what they represented is what made them special. That is what set them apart. That is what set their music apart. This isn't about 'growing up'. This isn't about 'providing for their families'. This is wholesale hypocrisy.

I love their music too. But this is just straight out disheartening.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, truly I am. I guess we will never see it the same, but that is ok in my mind. Maybe in times past I would feel the same as you do. I suppose at some point I did, and I'm sorry I said that people need to 'grow up'.

That, I guess really isn't what I meant. I can't quite explain how I think of it/why I think what I think. I suppose it is life's experiences that change us/mold us into what we are, and what we view as being 'ok' or not being 'ok'

I guess.....what I'm trying to say/been trying to say is....It's ok if you lose 'faith' in how Pearl Jam represents themselves, as long as you still take the time/opportunity to listen, regardless of how it is presented to you.

Its Evolution Baby

In 1998 they made a commercial for Yield produced by Sony who was releasing the album. 2009 Target is releasing the album they made a very subtle commercial. The only difference is that Sony didn't plaster there image all over it. It's still corporations making money and our boys helping out. Not the end of the world. And the least amount of selling out of any arena act besides Radiohead.

SM10080

I guess.....what I'm trying to say/been trying to say is....It's ok if you lose 'faith' in how Pearl Jam represents themselves, as long as you still take the time/opportunity to listen, regardless of how it is presented to you.[/quote]

Appreciate that, but this is the core of my issue. What happens when you lose faith in something you truly believe in? Understand, I'm not some idiot that only believed in PJ. But I definitely looked at them as an entity that stood for something--and stood for it no matter what. I'll always listen, but now I wonder what the fuck is going on. I'm sorry I can't articulate it better, but something is off, and I can't ignore it.

SM10080

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

In 1998 they made a commercial for Yield produced by Sony who was releasing the album. 2009 Target is releasing the album they made a very subtle commercial. The only difference is that Sony didn't plaster there image all over it. It's still corporations making money and our boys helping out. Not the end of the world. And the least amount of selling out of any arena act besides Radiohead.

By PJ's previous standards, or anyone else's, you can't make a 'subtle commercial'. You can't be a little pregnant.

reflectedfromafar

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=99866&p=2311456#p2311456

Re: pearl jam and targets new partnership

New postby SM10080 » 02 Jun 2009 00:27

Nothingman54 wrote:ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCATRE55104S20090602



This is actually a good article. Kelly Curtis clears some shit up. Seems like a good way of doing things.

Sounds like maybe YOU sold out.

And sounds like you are reliving the heyday of your Aug 25th posts...go back to sleep, troll...

PrlJam27

Thorns2010 wrote:

SM10080 wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QYAWXK7fo

Not sure how long that will be up, but here's the commercial.

Seriously?? People are getting pissed about that??? Chill out/GROW UP!

Dude, this isn't about growing up. This is fucking disturbing. You are likely younger and don't remember some of the shit that I do. At the early shows, PJ used to cover any advertising in an arena--it was part of their rider. There were no interviews, no PR, no garbage--in fact, a guy got tossed out of the band for wanting to do this shit.

THERE ARE NO FUCKING SPONSORS.

What the fuck happened? What went wrong?

I'm just going to say my piece here. You don't have to agree, or disagree. I hold no ill will towards you in any of this. I just want to say/think out loud what I'm thinking in my head.

I LOVE Pearl Jam, whenever I try to think of a list of top 5, or top 10 bands, the only thing I know for sure is that Pearl Jam is # 1. The rest? they change on a daily basis. So I say to anyone and everyone who will listen is to me, band wise, it's Pearl Jam, and then everyone else #2-infinity.

But, at the same time, I love and adore Pearl Jam for the MUSIC. Not what they stand for, not what they represent, not what they take a stand against. While I agree with them on lots of things, I still get annoyed time to time when Ed goes on some rant about something.

And I feel as if some people can't grasp that the music/art has (at least in my eyes) NEVER been compromised in anything they have done. And that to me is the litmus test. Does the music still stand true? Still stand for something? Still make me think/reflect on my own life??

That to me is what makes music important/POWERFUL. I view music as being the most BASIC of any art, because at the root of it all, all you need is your voice/mind to create it. No brush, no paint, no tools to create anything....other than a voice, and that is something that each and everyone of us has.

So, while I understand where you are coming from, saying that they have changed/compromised what they are/what they used to represent, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Why? Because TALK is cheap, deals to promote your art, to expand your voice to the masses.....TO ME are inconsequential to the bigger picture. That being, the art itself. Who cares how you have to promote it, who cares how it reaches the massed (if it ever does that is) who cares what you have said or done in the past.

All that matters to me is 1 thing. And that is does the art itself suffer?? And to me, and may perchance only me, promotion of art is not a BAD thing, regardless of what has been said/done before, because if the art still remains true, who cares who told you/delivers it to you.

i must say, beautifully put.

asktheaxis

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

And the least amount of selling out of any arena act besides Radiohead.

Radiohead are one of the most overrated bands in the world, musically and especially regarding their business model. They were not the first band to do what they did with In Rainbows, and I don't believe for a second that they were being as generous or anti-establishment as some people seem to think.
I think Tool's Hooker with a Penis basically summarises any debate that has/will come from the commercial.

dimitrispearljam

ITS FUNNY