Brenden O'Brien has a stronger track record, and is a better producer as far as I'm concerned.
I just spit my orange juice all over my monitor, BOB is a great producer and probably better for PJ, Rubin probably wouldn't work well with PJ but he is still the best producer in the music industry today, hands down.
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I just spit my orange juice all over my monitor, BOB is a great producer and probably better for PJ, Rubin probably wouldn't work well with PJ but he is still the best producer in the music industry today, hands down.
You better lick that juice up. Rubin is good yes, but I'm not a fan of some of his work...see Stadium Arcadium or Weezer's Make Believe...and my favorite produced album of all time is Rage's Evil Empire(produced by O'Brien). It's really based on opinion. There is no way to prove that Rubin is actually a better producer.
Rubin's best work, as far as I'm concerned, is Mars Volta's "Deloused In The Comatorium" but I think Omar had a lot of input on that one.
You better lick that juice up. Rubin is good yes, but I'm not a fan of some of his work...see Stadium Arcadium or Weezer's Make Believe...and my favorite produced album of all time is Rage's Evil Empire(produced by O'Brien). It's really based on opinion. There is no way to prove that Rubin is actually a better producer.
Rubin's best work, as far as I'm concerned, is Mars Volta's "Deloused In The Comatorium" but I think Omar had a lot of input on that one.
Yeah but O Brien produced Significant Other by Limp Bizkit after Rubin told durst to fuck off, thats like taking Rubins sloppy seconds.
Highlights
Rubin: Licensed to Ill, Reign in Blood, Blood Sugar Sex Magic, Wildflowers, American Recordings 4 and 5,De Loused in the Comatorium,Toxicity, Slipknot Vol 3, Death Magnetic.
O Brien: VS, Vitalogy, Evil empire, Purple, A Crow Left of the Murder, Mirrorball.
I don't know I think Rubin is gold and he does every different type of music , O Brien has sort of pigeonholed himself with grungy rock bands, the only good records he produces are bands you know are going record good records anyways. That being said I'm looking forward to O briens work on the new PJ and the new mastodon but there is a reason bands have to put there records on hold for like 2 years to get Rubin lined up, because everyone wants him
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Yeah but O Brien produced Significant Other by Limp Bizkit after Rubin told durst to fuck off, thats like taking Rubins sloppy seconds.
Highlights
Rubin: Licensed to Ill, Reign in Blood, Blood Sugar Sex Magic, Wildflowers, American Recordings 4 and 5,De Loused in the Comatorium,Toxicity, Slipknot Vol 3, Death Magnetic.
O Brien: VS, Vitalogy, Evil empire, Purple, A Crow Left of the Murder, Mirrorball.
I don't know I think Rubin is gold and he does every different type of music , O Brien has sort of pigeonholed himself with grungy rock bands, the only good records he produces are bands you know are going record good records anyways. That being said I'm looking forward to O briens work on the new PJ and the new mastodon but there is a reason bands have to put there records on hold for like 2 years to get Rubin lined up, because everyone wants him
How is Death Magnetic a highlight? The album isn't even out yet.
i think it would do no harm to change producers at this point in pj career. last album was good and had some splendid moments but not quite a stellar release..
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Funny...both songs I've heard odd it were awful. And Lars' drums sound HORRIBLE.
But good job judging an album after three songs!
Lars drums do sound terrible, but he is old and cant keep up anymore, the production does a pretty good job of masking them, im not saying its epic or the greatest album ever, and i didnt judges the whole album, notice i clearly said BASED ON THE 3 SONGS I HAVE HEARD, NOT BASED ON THE WHOLE ALBUM, IT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING THEY HAVE DONE IN 15 YEARS, just so youre perfectly clear, guaranteed though it is a return to form for them, everything rubin touches is gold, he is a visionary, the same can't be said for BOB, hes just a really really really great producer.
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I never thought of your proposal before. Rick is a good producer BUT given his track record etc...would the possibility of PJ using rubin be considered "jumping the shark"?
Discuss among yourself...
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they're both amazing producers...and obrien is a rubin disciple...
Indeed, Brendan learned alot from Rick simply by working with him on Blood Sugar Sex Magik. O'Brien is credited as Engineer. What I would LOVE to see is the same thing Rubin/PJ producing and O'Brien engineering, lol
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Indeed, Brendan learned alot from Rick simply by working with him on Blood Sugar Sex Magik. O'Brien is credited as Engineer. What I would LOVE to see is the same thing Rubin/PJ producing and O'Brien engineering, lol
No only that, O Brien built his name on Pearl Jam and Rage, both of which he got the opportunity to do being a Rubin disciple.
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Love the way you all just accept the assessment that the last two albums were average/good. Clean the shit out of your ears.
It's the height of conceit, at best, for anyone on this board to think they can tell PJ how to make music -- bet a lot of you think you could pitch in the major leagues because you watch the games.
Don't forget, Rubin bombed big time working with U2 -- you may not like U2 and think it was their fault, but who can take that seriously when you set up fucking METALLICA like they are some sort of gold standard -- the only thing they ever proved was that in hell, the drummer NEVER stops talking!
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Love the way you all just accept the assessment that the last two albums were average/good. Clean the shit out of your ears.
It's the height of conceit, at best, for anyone on this board to think they can tell PJ how to make music -- bet a lot of you think you could pitch in the major leagues because you watch the games.
Don't forget, Rubin bombed big time working with U2 -- you may not like U2 and think it was their fault, but who can take that seriously when you set up fucking METALLICA like they are some sort of gold standard -- the only thing they ever proved was that in hell, the drummer NEVER stops talking!
That's what happens when Bono asks someone for input but can't let his ego deflate enough to actually take it. Johnny Cash released Gold with rubin, so has EVERY other artist who worked with him and did it the way he said to. That's the real litmus, have Metallica given up enough control to actually release something decent
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I've always considered BOB the unofficial 6th member (excluding BOOM).
Hell...he even knew when he'd created his masterpiece...he simply couldn't top YIELD, so he passed off producing duties to Tchad Blake and Adam Kasper.
It will be interesting to see how they collaborate again.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
I forgot about this quote, BOB was responsible for "arguably" PJ's best album ever...Yield will continue to be a masterpiece, Rubin's sound IMO would not jive w/PJ, I can see him taking the band away from the vibe/sound they are trying to get on this next session...don't get me wrong, I love Wildflowers, Blood Sugar, Licensed to Ill, etc, but BOB is the man for the job, hands down
thx PBM for reminding me of that qte from SVT
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Yeah but O Brien produced Significant Other by Limp Bizkit after Rubin told durst to fuck off, thats like taking Rubins sloppy seconds.
Highlights
Rubin: Licensed to Ill, Reign in Blood, Blood Sugar Sex Magic, Wildflowers, American Recordings 4 and 5,De Loused in the Comatorium,Toxicity, Slipknot Vol 3, Death Magnetic.
O Brien: VS, Vitalogy, Evil empire, Purple, A Crow Left of the Murder, Mirrorball.
I don't know I think Rubin is gold and he does every different type of music , O Brien has sort of pigeonholed himself with grungy rock bands, the only good records he produces are bands you know are going record good records anyways. That being said I'm looking forward to O briens work on the new PJ and the new mastodon but there is a reason bands have to put there records on hold for like 2 years to get Rubin lined up, because everyone wants him
How can you call Death Magnetic a highlight of Rubin's if it isn't released yet?!?!?!?!? The single i heard has an awful mix with this intolerable snare drum drowning everything out, weak guitars and no real deep punch. The clips from the rest of the album sound exactly the same.
Anyway sorry i just took issue with that mention the rest are good, but O'Brain did Evil Empire and that is just one of the best sounding record of the nineties without doubt.
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
thx PBM for reminding me of that qte from SVT
I keep the YIELD light burning around here.
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"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Rick Rubin compresses everything, which generally makes the music sound like shit! There won't be any dynamics (quiet parts, loud parts, etc.), and dynamics are essential to Pearl Jam songs, in my opinion.
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I really like the work that Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash though.....
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I just spit my orange juice all over my monitor, BOB is a great producer and probably better for PJ, Rubin probably wouldn't work well with PJ but he is still the best producer in the music industry today, hands down.
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You better lick that juice up. Rubin is good yes, but I'm not a fan of some of his work...see Stadium Arcadium or Weezer's Make Believe...and my favorite produced album of all time is Rage's Evil Empire(produced by O'Brien). It's really based on opinion. There is no way to prove that Rubin is actually a better producer.
Rubin's best work, as far as I'm concerned, is Mars Volta's "Deloused In The Comatorium" but I think Omar had a lot of input on that one.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
Yeah but O Brien produced Significant Other by Limp Bizkit after Rubin told durst to fuck off, thats like taking Rubins sloppy seconds.
Highlights
Rubin: Licensed to Ill, Reign in Blood, Blood Sugar Sex Magic, Wildflowers, American Recordings 4 and 5,De Loused in the Comatorium,Toxicity, Slipknot Vol 3, Death Magnetic.
O Brien: VS, Vitalogy, Evil empire, Purple, A Crow Left of the Murder, Mirrorball.
I don't know I think Rubin is gold and he does every different type of music , O Brien has sort of pigeonholed himself with grungy rock bands, the only good records he produces are bands you know are going record good records anyways. That being said I'm looking forward to O briens work on the new PJ and the new mastodon but there is a reason bands have to put there records on hold for like 2 years to get Rubin lined up, because everyone wants him
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How is Death Magnetic a highlight? The album isn't even out yet.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
because its gonna save Metallicas career and after hearing 3 songs off it, it is better then anything they have done in 15 years.
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Funny...both songs I've heard odd it were awful. And Lars' drums sound HORRIBLE.
But good job judging an album after three songs!
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
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Lars drums do sound terrible, but he is old and cant keep up anymore, the production does a pretty good job of masking them, im not saying its epic or the greatest album ever, and i didnt judges the whole album, notice i clearly said BASED ON THE 3 SONGS I HAVE HEARD, NOT BASED ON THE WHOLE ALBUM, IT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING THEY HAVE DONE IN 15 YEARS, just so youre perfectly clear, guaranteed though it is a return to form for them, everything rubin touches is gold, he is a visionary, the same can't be said for BOB, hes just a really really really great producer.
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Discuss among yourself...
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WHat a fucken joke.
Come off your battlefield."
No only that, O Brien built his name on Pearl Jam and Rage, both of which he got the opportunity to do being a Rubin disciple.
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Come off your battlefield."
It's the height of conceit, at best, for anyone on this board to think they can tell PJ how to make music -- bet a lot of you think you could pitch in the major leagues because you watch the games.
Don't forget, Rubin bombed big time working with U2 -- you may not like U2 and think it was their fault, but who can take that seriously when you set up fucking METALLICA like they are some sort of gold standard -- the only thing they ever proved was that in hell, the drummer NEVER stops talking!
on a search for anything pure."
Say Goodbye
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Come off your battlefield."
Hell...he even knew when he'd created his masterpiece...he simply couldn't top YIELD, so he passed off producing duties to Tchad Blake and Adam Kasper.
It will be interesting to see how they collaborate again.
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I forgot about this quote, BOB was responsible for "arguably" PJ's best album ever...Yield will continue to be a masterpiece, Rubin's sound IMO would not jive w/PJ, I can see him taking the band away from the vibe/sound they are trying to get on this next session...don't get me wrong, I love Wildflowers, Blood Sugar, Licensed to Ill, etc, but BOB is the man for the job, hands down
thx PBM for reminding me of that qte from SVT
How can you call Death Magnetic a highlight of Rubin's if it isn't released yet?!?!?!?!? The single i heard has an awful mix with this intolerable snare drum drowning everything out, weak guitars and no real deep punch. The clips from the rest of the album sound exactly the same.
Anyway sorry i just took issue with that mention the rest are good, but O'Brain did Evil Empire and that is just one of the best sounding record of the nineties without doubt.
I keep the YIELD light burning around here.
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I stand corrected.
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A vote for Brendan.
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