Remind me again why a leak and exposure is bad?

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited September 2009 in The Porch
I dont understand that statement.

Its one thing to say "hey I dont believe in downloading" and to personally refuse to do it. Thats great. Thats your perogative. But I get the feeling alot of the antidownloading crew, feel somehow it can be curbed, stopped or whatnot. I think thats silly at best and ignorant of the fact that millions of people download illegally.

Pearl Jam's record leaked early. The music is getting out there. People are now exposed to the new album. How is that a bad thing?

For all those people who hear the leak and dont buy an actual cd, there are people who hear it and decide to buy some merch, or a ticket for a tour date or whatnot.

I fail to see how exposure of music is a bad thing.

Pearl Jam, probably do want to be paid for their work, but I also think that is not realistic in modern day 21st century world. People dont want to pay money for music. Radiohead let people decide, and most paid nothing. That says it all folks.

I also think the band and ANY BAND want as many people to hear the music as possible.
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  • i just want to know where PJ said they are personally offended by their hardcore fans getting their music early.

    its not like Backspacer is thematically tied to its release date. it doesnt matter. i think you should pay for it (not that they need the money), and as long as you do, absolutely no harm is done. i assume they want to be payed for it.

    personally, i dont get the 'thrill' of cracking open a cd case (which is a royal pain in the ass, btw), but if thats your thing, then by all means wait. if not, who cares?
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Did you two geniuses read the terms of the board?

    The band would prefer you not steal their shit.
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    Is it me or does it seem like everyone has just learned the word ignorant?
    "I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive


  • SolarWorld wrote:
    The band would prefer you not steal their shit.
    i'm not. they got their money.
  • being personally offended by loyal fans hearing music early from bands that are not their own has to be on the list of www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com but i can't find it.

    i'm sure its on there.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The band would prefer you not steal their shit.
    i'm not. they got their money.

    This argument is flawed. A pre order for anything does not entitle you to have said thing whenever you want.

    By downloading the album "whenever", you are contributing to the theft of protected material.

    Since you are such a big fan you pre ordered I would think such a big fan would respect the band. Guess not.
  • edited September 2009
    SolarWorld wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The band would prefer you not steal their shit.
    i'm not. they got their money.

    This argument is flawed. A pre order for anything does not entitle you to have said thing whenever you want.

    By downloading the album "whenever", you are contributing to the theft of protected material.

    Since you are such a big fan you pre ordered I would think such a big fan would respect the band. Guess not.
    sorry, i just disagree. i just can't believe the band would be so utterly ridiculous as to feel disrespected because i downloaded a song a few days early that i'm paying for, and if they did they would be wrong for it. at worst its bad like going 5 miles over the speed limit is bad.

    this idea that the band i've spent untold amounts of money on and have hyped unrelentingly to everyone i know since Ten would be so hurt by this is.... well if thats the case they've lost touch.

    but the only people up in arms are people a little too high and mighty.
  • JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    According to Mr. Vedder, leaks and illegal downloads are bad because they take away money from the band and force them to compensate for the revenue loss by raising ticket prices.

    VEDDER FEARS TICKET PRICE HIKE

    September 24, 2007

    PEARL JAM star EDDIE VEDDER fears he'll have to increase concert ticket prices after years of fighting to keep them low - because fans keep stealing his songs. The rocker was one of the leading voices against high ticket fees - and famously took on Ticketmaster in America - but now he feels downloading is killing music and he'll need to seek profits elsewhere. Vedder says, "A lot of people are getting your music without having to pay, and it's only $12. "I ordered eggs at a little restaurant in Seattle and it was $9.50. I was thinking, 'You can't spend two extra bucks for a record that you put your heart and soul into?' "I think the problem is to charge more for tickets, which is something we've always been abhorrent to do; either that or you're gonna have to start accepting sponsorships, or start selling your music to Viagra. "I'm not sure how we'll do it. I'm glad we gave money away when we did - when it came in from making records. We kind of spread it around and helped people in our community and abroad in different ways."
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    sorry, i just disagree. i just can't believe the band would be so utterly ridiculous as to feel disrespected because i downloaded a song a few days early that i'm paying for, and if they did they would be wrong for it. at worst its bad like going 5 miles over the speed limit is bad.

    this idea that the band i've spent untold amounts of money on and have hyped unrelentingly to everyone i know since Ten would be so hurt by this is.... well if thats the case they've lost touch.

    but the only people up in arms are people a little too high and mighty.

    From:
    Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines

    10. Please respect an artist's copyright. Linking to or otherwise promoting stolen art is prohibited. If an artist's work is leaked online, don't post it here and please be careful when posting other people's images in posts.
  • SolarWorld wrote:
    sorry, i just disagree. i just can't believe the band would be so utterly ridiculous as to feel disrespected because i downloaded a song a few days early that i'm paying for, and if they did they would be wrong for it. at worst its bad like going 5 miles over the speed limit is bad.

    this idea that the band i've spent untold amounts of money on and have hyped unrelentingly to everyone i know since Ten would be so hurt by this is.... well if thats the case they've lost touch.

    but the only people up in arms are people a little too high and mighty.

    From:
    Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines

    10. Please respect an artist's copyright. Linking to or otherwise promoting stolen art is prohibited. If an artist's work is leaked online, don't post it here and please be careful when posting other people's images in posts.

    Hey G it's almost not worth trying to explain it to these fools around here they are classless at best :oops: ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • thats funny, I brought up that the a reason ticket prices for all bands in general have increased over the years was caused from illegal downloading in a different thread.....then I was laughed at by a bunch of pro-downloaders and they said I didn't know what I was talking about.
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  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    I won't listen to leaked music and have already pre-ordered the CD, BUT I'm not buying into the RIAA propaganda. Leaked music isn't bad. If it's good the band will make money and if it sucks they won't, and they'll only have themselves to blame. Idle threats and rules don't impress me. As a consumer I feel like I have a right to know if I'm about to pay good money for shat (in my case, I'll pay for PJ's music either way).
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
  • listen to you people! 'classless'? 'disrespectful?'

    can you not grasp the overly dramatic, ridiculous, self righteousness tone? I'M BENFITTING THIS BAND MONETARILLY AND OTHERWISE. Its not like i personally went to Ed's house, kicked in his door, and called his wife a whore and spit in his face! this is so silly...

    as to the original post, there is probably truth to the argument that getting music without paying for it can benefit, but i dont know. either way, downloading is here to stay and the industry has to adapt. i got no answers, though.
  • you guys don't think eddie ever had a bootleg copy of Who album before. I bought the album on pre order. I have listened to the clips of some songs on youtube, I prefer to wait to listen to the music on the day it comes out. Just because i'm an old timer who still enjoys looking through the album art while listening to the music for the first time. And because when Sky Blue Sky by Wilco came out, i had A leaked copy of it for about A month before it came out and by the time it hit stores, I had about had my feel. But if someone wants to get A copy of it via internet burglary and turn friends on A little early so be it. I think with the money the boys made by putting Supersonic & Got Some on ESPN Thursday night football, along with Kenny Chesney and Dave F'n Matthews, they won't miss any meals. Ed just may have to wait A month to do that add-on to his house in Hawaii. Some of you guys kinda sound like little bitches. Cheer the fuck up-Everyone, Pearl Jam has A new record comin' out! You may have it now, you may have it A week from now, just make sure you get it. And as for the band saying they would rather me not steal the music, I rather they had not let Cold Case Files on CBS rape and pillage one of the greatest albums of our time in an episope. But I ain't gonna stop listening soon.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    People are going to download it, whatever. Why do they also feel the need to come here and brag, promote, boast etc about it. Maybe it's not like invading someone's house and assaulting their family but its pretty close to standing on their lawn telling people it's "OK" to steal from them. It's disrespectful.
  • SolarWorld wrote:
    People are going to download it, whatever. Why do they also feel the need to come here and brag, promote, boast etc about it. Maybe it's not like invading someone's house and assaulting their family but its pretty close to standing on their lawn telling people it's "OK" to steal from them. It's disrespectful.
    i dont know why anyone would brag about getting a leak. that doesn't make much sense. now bragging about how awesome Backspacer is, thats another story. hardly disrespectful.
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