Ok, you keep your 'big picture" shoe throwers...they'll change the world!!!!!
Too blinded by yoru hatred of GW to know an ass clown when you see one...it's sad really. Mayeb the Chinese government is changing your posts.
'My' hatred of GW? What does this have to do with me? I thought we were discussing the feelings of the Iraqi people? Or are they an irrelevance in your scheme of things?
It's no wonder polticians are such dumbasses when the electorate love shoe throwing...
Lots of hypocritical people here. Talk about diplomatic solutions...cheer shoe throwing...you get what you ask for.
I'm not sure if I love shoe throwing or the shoe thrower but I know I can certainly understand why the anger that caused him to throw both his shoes in the first place. It's not like he did so without warning, I believe he did shout some words of anger before throwing his shoes.
I must commend GWB for being heads up while on his feet, must be his advanced cheer-leading skills.
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Pretty much my take on it.
And there are a LOT of variables involved here... it would be different if there wasn't... say... A WAR in the thrower's homeland by a country on the other side of the planet that was in his home on made up intelligence and the one who decided all of this was standing in front of him.
Huge factors.
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throwing a shoe at a conquering leader is admirable. he risked his life to publicly show hos contempt for the invading army. i'm surprised he's still alive actually, the US military and intelligence machines usually don't do well with dissent in the countries they occupy.
Ok, you keep your 'big picture" shoe throwers...they'll change the world!!!!!
Too blinded by yoru hatred of GW to know an ass clown when you see one...it's sad really. Mayeb the Chinese government is changing your posts.
'My' hatred of GW? What does this have to do with me? I thought we were discussing the feelings of the Iraqi people? Or are they an irrelevance in your scheme of things?
Your hatred plays into what action you deem exceptable against him.
Oh, and I love the last sentence...very nice. You are the people's champion.
It's no wonder polticians are such dumbasses when the electorate love shoe throwing...
Lots of hypocritical people here. Talk about diplomatic solutions...cheer shoe throwing...you get what you ask for.
I'm not sure if I love shoe throwing or the shoe thrower but I know I can certainly understand why the anger that caused him to throw both his shoes in the first place. It's not like he did so without warning, I believe he did shout some words of anger before throwing his shoes.
I must commend GWB for being heads up while on his feet, must be his advanced cheer-leading skills.
Peace
I completely understand the anger and frustration. Absolutely. But throwing a shoe? really? That's the kind of thing that if you did it, you'd feel like an idiot later. Letting your emotions cause you to act like a child.
Now, seeing GW as the murderer who killed your family is certainly enough to make someone go and do something crazy, so I'm being kinda harsh with the "ass clown" comment. But to rally around throwing shoes is juvenille.
I completely understand the anger and frustration. Absolutely. But throwing a shoe? really? That's the kind of thing that if you did it, you'd feel like an idiot later. Letting your emotions cause you to act like a child.
Now, seeing GW as the murderer who killed your family is certainly enough to make someone go and do something crazy, so I'm being kinda harsh with the "ass clown" comment. But to rally around throwing shoes is juvenille.
you have to understand the significance of shoes and feet in arab culture to understand why they consider his act a considerable act of defiance ...
in any case - i wouldn't be shocked to find that he's done more to protest the policies of the bush administration than any other person ...
throwing a shoe at a conquering leader is admirable. he risked his life to publicly show hos contempt for the invading army. i'm surprised he's still alive actually, the US military and intelligence machines usually don't do well with dissent in the countries they occupy.
You sound like you know this to be a fact. Care to share this information with us? Do you know exactly what security measures were in place during this incident?
You sound like you know this to be a fact. Care to share this information with us? Do you know exactly what security measures were in place during this incident?
it's not like we shoot down italian agents after they rescue hostages or anything....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
throwing a shoe at a conquering leader is admirable. he risked his life to publicly show hos contempt for the invading army. i'm surprised he's still alive actually, the US military and intelligence machines usually don't do well with dissent in the countries they occupy.
his life was never at risk. :roll:
i recall that his brother said on many occasions that he was severely beaten on several occasions, lost teeth, and his life was threatened. so yeah his life was in danger.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
throwing a shoe at a conquering leader is admirable. he risked his life to publicly show hos contempt for the invading army. i'm surprised he's still alive actually, the US military and intelligence machines usually don't do well with dissent in the countries they occupy.
his life was never at risk. :roll:
i recall that his brother said on many occasions that he was severely beaten on several occasions, lost teeth, and his life was threatened. so yeah his life was in danger.
You sound like you know this to be a fact. Care to share this information with us? Do you know exactly what security measures were in place during this incident?
yes, I know it as fact. you know why? he's alive and well.
throwing a shoe at a conquering leader is admirable. he risked his life to publicly show hos contempt for the invading army. i'm surprised he's still alive actually, the US military and intelligence machines usually don't do well with dissent in the countries they occupy.
his life was never at risk. :roll:
i recall that his brother said on many occasions that he was severely beaten on several occasions, lost teeth, and his life was threatened. so yeah his life was in danger.
he was beaten and threatened by Iraqi security people, not American. which is what Commy was suggesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... alist-shoe
'The Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at President George Bush was viciously beaten after being taken into custody, according to a police officer who accompanied him to prison.
Wrestled to the ground and then buried under a frantic mound of security officers, Muntazer al-Zaidi was last seen being dragged into detention. Controversy has since raged over what treatment was meted out to the man hailed a hero in many parts of the Arab and Muslim world for his protest against the invasion of Iraq. Yesterday there were further demonstrations in the Middle East calling for his immediate release.
Witnesses to his arrest and imprisonment have told the Observer Zaidi was badly beaten, during and after his arrest last Sunday, and that he risks losing the sight in one of his eyes as a result...'
I said this before, I don't care if it was Bush, Obama, Clinton or whoever, if you attack the POTUS you should go to jail. If I did this to any foreign leader I am sure I would have had two bullets in my chest.
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he was beaten and threatened by Iraqi security people, not American. which is what Commy was suggesting.
Right, I'm sure the Americans who control Iraq had nothing to do with his detention after he threw a shoe at the American President. Just as Americans had nothing to do with devastating Iraq and killing over 1 million people. It's the Iraqi's fault.
I said this before, I don't care if it was Bush, Obama, Clinton or whoever, if you attack the POTUS you should go to jail. If I did this to any foreign leader I am sure I would have had two bullets in my chest.
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12 bullets... seems a bit much. what if i just wanted to give Mugabe a tickle?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
he was beaten and threatened by Iraqi security people, not American. which is what Commy was suggesting.
Right, I'm sure the Americans who control Iraq had nothing to do with his detention after he threw a shoe at the American President. Just as Americans had nothing to do with devastating Iraq and killing over 1 million people. It's the Iraqi's fault.
well duuuuuuuuuh :roll:
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Just as Americans had nothing to do with devastating Iraq and killing over 1 million people. It's the Iraqi's fault.
:roll: isn't it 2 million by now?
from Byrnzie's link:
'One police officer, who accompanied him to prison, said the journalist, a Baghdad correspondent for the Cairo-based Al-Baghdadia TV, had been subjected to violence throughout the journey. The officer, who asked not to be named, said he witnessed security forces beating Zaidi in the car with such force that his ribs were broken. "I felt sorry when I saw them beating him. His mouth was badly injured and he did not utter a single word throughout until one of the guards hit him in his left eye with a gun. Then he cried out that he couldn't see, and I saw blood inside his eye. I am a police officer but even I have to say I felt proud of what he did."
A doctor called to examine Zaidi said his right arm had been broken and he had haematomas - indicative of internal bleeding - all over his body, particularly on his left leg, shoulders, face and head. The doctor, who also asked to remain anonymous, said specialists called in to treat him warned security guards that they must make sure his eye was protected for fear of a further haemorrhage which could cause him to lose his sight'
yeah, why would a person ever believe their life was in danger after treatment like that?? this guy needs to stop overreacting, right?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7791965.stm 'The investigating judge in the case of the Iraqi reporter who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush says the man shows signs of having been beaten.
The judge, who saw Muntader al-Zaidi this week, said the journalist had bruises on his face and about his eyes.
He said Mr Zaidi was beaten while still at the news conference, in the immediate aftermath of the incident.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_security_forces
'Since the toppling of the Saddam Hussein regime, the Iraqi Security Forces have been rebuilt with substantial assistance from Multi-National Security Transition Command - Iraq.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Nati ... and_-_Iraq
'MNSTC-I is commanded (since July 2008) by US Army Lieutenant General Frank Helmick and is headquartered in the International Zone in Baghdad at Phoenix Base, a former elementary school. It was previously commanded by US Army Lieutenant General James M. Dubik (June 2007 — July 2008), Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey (September 2005 — June 2007) and Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus (June 2004 — September 2005).'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iraq_ ... _Agreement
'Gen. Ray Odierno said that U.S. forces would reduce their visibility but that this does not mean "any reduction in our fundamental ability to protect ourselves." Odierno wrote that U.S. forces would coordinate "operations with the approval of the GoI (Government of Iraq), and we will conduct all operations by, with, and through the Iraqi Security Forces." "Despite some adjustments to the way we conduct operations, the agreement simply reinforces transitions that are already underway, and I want to emphasize that our overarching principles remain the same", he further wrote.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... alist-shoe
'The Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at President George Bush was viciously beaten after being taken into custody, according to a police officer who accompanied him to prison.
Wrestled to the ground and then buried under a frantic mound of security officers, Muntazer al-Zaidi was last seen being dragged into detention. Controversy has since raged over what treatment was meted out to the man hailed a hero in many parts of the Arab and Muslim world for his protest against the invasion of Iraq. Yesterday there were further demonstrations in the Middle East calling for his immediate release.
Witnesses to his arrest and imprisonment have told the Observer Zaidi was badly beaten, during and after his arrest last Sunday, and that he risks losing the sight in one of his eyes as a result...'
I'm not questioning he was beaten, I just thought it was funny the way it was presented in the other post...sorry for the confusion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7791965.stm
'The investigating judge in the case of the Iraqi reporter who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush says the man shows signs of having been beaten.
The judge, who saw Muntader al-Zaidi this week, said the journalist had bruises on his face and about his eyes.
He said Mr Zaidi was beaten while still at the news conference, in the immediate aftermath of the incident.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_security_forces
'Since the toppling of the Saddam Hussein regime, the Iraqi Security Forces have been rebuilt with substantial assistance from Multi-National Security Transition Command - Iraq.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Nati ... and_-_Iraq
'MNSTC-I is commanded (since July 2008) by US Army Lieutenant General Frank Helmick and is headquartered in the International Zone in Baghdad at Phoenix Base, a former elementary school. It was previously commanded by US Army Lieutenant General James M. Dubik (June 2007 — July 2008), Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey (September 2005 — June 2007) and Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus (June 2004 — September 2005).'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iraq_ ... _Agreement
'Gen. Ray Odierno said that U.S. forces would reduce their visibility but that this does not mean "any reduction in our fundamental ability to protect ourselves." Odierno wrote that U.S. forces would coordinate "operations with the approval of the GoI (Government of Iraq), and we will conduct all operations by, with, and through the Iraqi Security Forces." "Despite some adjustments to the way we conduct operations, the agreement simply reinforces transitions that are already underway, and I want to emphasize that our overarching principles remain the same", he further wrote.'
LOL I cant believe you wasted so much time on this cut and paste party. this only leads me to believe you get off on actually doing it.
none of you rock solid wiki links does anything to prove that Americans had anything to do with this man being beaten or threatened.
He was beaten whilst at the news conference and in the immediate aftermath of the incident.
Are you going to pretend that U.S security personnel would not have been involved during an attack on the U.S president?
U.S forces still control the Iraqi security forces, as I pointed out above. The man 'attacked' the U.S President and you are trying to pretend that U.S forces had nothing to do with his detention. I wonder who you think you're kidding?
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'My' hatred of GW? What does this have to do with me? I thought we were discussing the feelings of the Iraqi people? Or are they an irrelevance in your scheme of things?
Pretty much my take on it.
And there are a LOT of variables involved here... it would be different if there wasn't... say... A WAR in the thrower's homeland by a country on the other side of the planet that was in his home on made up intelligence and the one who decided all of this was standing in front of him.
Huge factors.
Hail, Hail!!!
Your hatred plays into what action you deem exceptable against him.
Oh, and I love the last sentence...very nice. You are the people's champion.
I completely understand the anger and frustration. Absolutely. But throwing a shoe? really? That's the kind of thing that if you did it, you'd feel like an idiot later. Letting your emotions cause you to act like a child.
Now, seeing GW as the murderer who killed your family is certainly enough to make someone go and do something crazy, so I'm being kinda harsh with the "ass clown" comment. But to rally around throwing shoes is juvenille.
you have to understand the significance of shoes and feet in arab culture to understand why they consider his act a considerable act of defiance ...
in any case - i wouldn't be shocked to find that he's done more to protest the policies of the bush administration than any other person ...
his life was never at risk. :roll:
You sound like you know this to be a fact. Care to share this information with us? Do you know exactly what security measures were in place during this incident?
it's not like we shoot down italian agents after they rescue hostages or anything....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yeah, that's why I addressed it in my 1st post...still a childlike tantrum in my opinion.
Oh, if his brother says so, there ya go.
yes, I know it as fact. you know why? he's alive and well.
he was beaten and threatened by Iraqi security people, not American. which is what Commy was suggesting.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... alist-shoe
'The Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at President George Bush was viciously beaten after being taken into custody, according to a police officer who accompanied him to prison.
Wrestled to the ground and then buried under a frantic mound of security officers, Muntazer al-Zaidi was last seen being dragged into detention. Controversy has since raged over what treatment was meted out to the man hailed a hero in many parts of the Arab and Muslim world for his protest against the invasion of Iraq. Yesterday there were further demonstrations in the Middle East calling for his immediate release.
Witnesses to his arrest and imprisonment have told the Observer Zaidi was badly beaten, during and after his arrest last Sunday, and that he risks losing the sight in one of his eyes as a result...'
Commy was rather specific. he said he was surprised Americans didn't kill him. we can't control how Iraqis treat each other.
he was never at risk of being hurt, threatened, or killed by Americans.
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Right, I'm sure the Americans who control Iraq had nothing to do with his detention after he threw a shoe at the American President. Just as Americans had nothing to do with devastating Iraq and killing over 1 million people. It's the Iraqi's fault.
Of course he wasn't. Americans would never kill an Iraqi, would they?
no they didn't. feel free to prove otherwise.
:roll: isn't it 2 million by now?
12 bullets... seems a bit much. what if i just wanted to give Mugabe a tickle?
well duuuuuuuuuh :roll:
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
from Byrnzie's link:
'One police officer, who accompanied him to prison, said the journalist, a Baghdad correspondent for the Cairo-based Al-Baghdadia TV, had been subjected to violence throughout the journey. The officer, who asked not to be named, said he witnessed security forces beating Zaidi in the car with such force that his ribs were broken. "I felt sorry when I saw them beating him. His mouth was badly injured and he did not utter a single word throughout until one of the guards hit him in his left eye with a gun. Then he cried out that he couldn't see, and I saw blood inside his eye. I am a police officer but even I have to say I felt proud of what he did."
A doctor called to examine Zaidi said his right arm had been broken and he had haematomas - indicative of internal bleeding - all over his body, particularly on his left leg, shoulders, face and head. The doctor, who also asked to remain anonymous, said specialists called in to treat him warned security guards that they must make sure his eye was protected for fear of a further haemorrhage which could cause him to lose his sight'
yeah, why would a person ever believe their life was in danger after treatment like that?? this guy needs to stop overreacting, right?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
O.k, I will:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7791965.stm
'The investigating judge in the case of the Iraqi reporter who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush says the man shows signs of having been beaten.
The judge, who saw Muntader al-Zaidi this week, said the journalist had bruises on his face and about his eyes.
He said Mr Zaidi was beaten while still at the news conference, in the immediate aftermath of the incident.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_security_forces
'Since the toppling of the Saddam Hussein regime, the Iraqi Security Forces have been rebuilt with substantial assistance from Multi-National Security Transition Command - Iraq.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Nati ... and_-_Iraq
'MNSTC-I is commanded (since July 2008) by US Army Lieutenant General Frank Helmick and is headquartered in the International Zone in Baghdad at Phoenix Base, a former elementary school. It was previously commanded by US Army Lieutenant General James M. Dubik (June 2007 — July 2008), Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey (September 2005 — June 2007) and Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus (June 2004 — September 2005).'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iraq_ ... _Agreement
'Gen. Ray Odierno said that U.S. forces would reduce their visibility but that this does not mean "any reduction in our fundamental ability to protect ourselves." Odierno wrote that U.S. forces would coordinate "operations with the approval of the GoI (Government of Iraq), and we will conduct all operations by, with, and through the Iraqi Security Forces." "Despite some adjustments to the way we conduct operations, the agreement simply reinforces transitions that are already underway, and I want to emphasize that our overarching principles remain the same", he further wrote.'
I'm not questioning he was beaten, I just thought it was funny the way it was presented in the other post...sorry for the confusion.
LOL I cant believe you wasted so much time on this cut and paste party. this only leads me to believe you get off on actually doing it.
none of you rock solid wiki links does anything to prove that Americans had anything to do with this man being beaten or threatened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7791965.stm
'..He said Mr Zaidi was beaten while still at the news conference, in the immediate aftermath of the incident.'
He was beaten whilst at the news conference and in the immediate aftermath of the incident.
Are you going to pretend that U.S security personnel would not have been involved during an attack on the U.S president?
U.S forces still control the Iraqi security forces, as I pointed out above. The man 'attacked' the U.S President and you are trying to pretend that U.S forces had nothing to do with his detention. I wonder who you think you're kidding?