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Really hate to do this, but...

CryojenXCryojenX Posts: 32
edited August 2009 in A Moving Train
I love the band, and always will, so it's not fun to have to do this. PJ has been really good about progressive issues and the environment and all the stuff I care about, but I really gotta call them out on this one, and hope we can get a good productive discussion on the topic started...

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Sorry, needed to be said. I've got no problem with collecting records, anything that keeps them out of a landfill and away from an incinerator so they don't release Dioxins is ok by me, but we need to condemn the manufacturing of new vinyl when there are alternatives for most of its uses.

Come on people, it's about our children's children. That's what matters right?


Crystal
Crystal

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  • saw7saw7 Posts: 14
    Well, I'm all for less dioxins but the percentage PVC's going to make LP's is probably pretty low compared to everything else it's used for.
    If PVC was outlawed then they would find something safer to make LPs out of I imagine.
    And what about bisphenol?
    More CDs are thrown away then LPs.
    Should we stop using CD's as well?
    -scott
  • CryojenXCryojenX Posts: 32
    saw7 wrote:
    Well, I'm all for less dioxins but the percentage PVC's going to make LP's is probably pretty low compared to everything else it's used for.
    If PVC was outlawed then they would find something safer to make LPs out of I imagine.
    And what about bisphenol?
    More CDs are thrown away then LPs.
    Should we stop using CD's as well?
    -scott

    Actually, I found a really great article that mentions cd's and why they're at the very least "less bad": http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/Article/Fatal-Fidelity-Our-Vinyl-Reckoning.html, that's not to say they're better, just less bad. As for the record industry being a miniscule amount of total PVC production, in my opinion, that makes it an ideal place to start. It's an industry we know and love, and like the Green Party says, "Act Locally, Think Globally".

    In itself it wouldnt make that big a difference, but its a good place to start. :D
    Crystal

  • saw7saw7 Posts: 14
    Thanks for the link.
    I really am all for cleaning up our act as humans.
    I was disappointed to see Seattle shoot down their plastic bag tax.
    I imagine they figured why just us?
    But it would have been a good start.
    Even China has banned free plastic bags.
    -s
  • SpagsSpags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,051
    A little part of me dies every time I forget to take my bag-for-life down the supermarket.
    Nature drunk and High
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    saw7 wrote:
    Thanks for the link.
    I really am all for cleaning up our act as humans.
    I was disappointed to see Seattle shoot down their plastic bag tax.
    I imagine they figured why just us?
    But it would have been a good start.
    Even China has banned free plastic bags.
    -s

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=107576

    The people aren't shooting down the plastic bag fee, it's the lobbyists buying their way to victory. And until we get rid of all lobbying, it will always be this way. Reform can't happen with special interest groups with their money trumping everything else.
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Records? Really? It's people that push the boundries like this and take being progressive too far and scare off the general public.

    I'm all for the idea of eliminating plastics. But attacking records is ridiculous. They are 1/1000000000000th of the problem. And I would bet that anyone here that buys a pearl jam record never ever throws it away.

    Spend your time usefully and fight department stores and restaurants that use pvc containers. That's where major problems exist.
  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    UncleSpaggles wrote:
    A little part of me dies every time I forget to take my bag-for-life down the supermarket.
    Me too...
    A human being that was given to fly.

    Wembley 18/06/07

    If there was a reason, it was you.

    O2 Arena 18/09/09
  • CryojenXCryojenX Posts: 32
    brandon10 wrote:
    Records? Really? It's people that push the boundries like this and take being progressive too far and scare off the general public.

    I'm all for the idea of eliminating plastics. But attacking records is ridiculous. They are 1/1000000000000th of the problem. And I would bet that anyone here that buys a pearl jam record never ever throws it away.

    Spend your time usefully and fight department stores and restaurants that use pvc containers. That's where major problems exist.

    Actually you raise a very good point, I seriously have terrible difficulty finding the line between personal responsibility and masochistic self-deprivation. It makes my life pretty miserable sometimes. I wish I knew how others sleep at night. And that's not meant as a dig either, I seriously wish I knew how people do it.
    Crystal

  • takin_punchestakin_punches Posts: 28
    While I am all for eliminating as much PVC in landfills as possible, I don't know if I would target vinyl users with this one. I know on environmental issues it can be a good strategy to point out a flaw in something commonly used to increase awareness, but vinyl users are such a small percentage of music buyers. A lot of vinyl users are fans looking for collectibles; it's not like these albums are throwaway plastic packaging.

    The article linked below points out that there were less than 2 million vinyl records sold in 2008 and over 65 million digital albums sold online. So we are making progress regardless of this debate:

    http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/ ... -vinyl.ars
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