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CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
edited September 2009 in A Moving Train
11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


that's in this American empire, this free world.


Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    i am not disagreeing with you, but do you think that there was not starvation and people dying of easily curable diseases in hitler's time? how many people died of malaria, dysentery and flu back then? not to mention the easily preventable disease that is war. i am just saying that this kind of thing has been happening since the beginning of time. we should do more to prevent and treat these things on a worldwide scale and i have no idea why we don't. i do think hitler was a murderous bastard and would rather have exterminated people than let nature take its course through disease and starvation though.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    i am not disagreeing with you, but do you think that there was not starvation and people dying of easily curable diseases in hitler's time? how many people died of malaria, dysentery and flu back then? not to mention the easily preventable disease that is war. i am just saying that this kind of thing has been happening since the beginning of time. we should do more to prevent and treat these things on a worldwide scale and i have no idea why we don't. i do think hitler was a murderous bastard and would rather have exterminated people than let nature take its course through disease and starvation though.

    There were probably fewer people dying of starvation and easily curable diseases back then because there were fewer people period. One thing we can do to prevent these things on a worldwide scale is to stop creating so many people! Just sayin'... ;)
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    i am not disagreeing with you, but do you think that there was not starvation and people dying of easily curable diseases in hitler's time? how many people died of malaria, dysentery and flu back then? not to mention the easily preventable disease that is war. i am just saying that this kind of thing has been happening since the beginning of time. we should do more to prevent and treat these things on a worldwide scale and i have no idea why we don't. i do think hitler was a murderous bastard and would rather have exterminated people than let nature take its course through disease and starvation though.



    i see your point, but its not nature taking its course in this case. the majority of the people dying are coming from countries directly affected by IMF/WB, the economic arm of the US empire.


    Haiti was exporting food while its people starved. exporting it to the United States.
    Colombia's main export was devalued by 50% after it took a loan from the WB. that's standard. a priority is placed on exports, forget the cost.

    Africa is no exception, and is worse off. a country that takes a loan from the WB is forced to sign a piece of paper that says it will pay off the loan FIRST, ahead putting money into clean water or hospitals or schools or food. the first payment a country makes is to the WB. and that affects more than 120 countries around the world.

    these countries are paying off a loan that in many cases a fascist ruler took-he's living the good life, him and his family have 10 bmw's, mansions all over the country, and the people are paying off the loan and suffering.


    the economic arm of the US empire is killing millions.


    all it takes to save these people is clean water and penecillin. that's cheap.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Commy wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    i am not disagreeing with you, but do you think that there was not starvation and people dying of easily curable diseases in hitler's time? how many people died of malaria, dysentery and flu back then? not to mention the easily preventable disease that is war. i am just saying that this kind of thing has been happening since the beginning of time. we should do more to prevent and treat these things on a worldwide scale and i have no idea why we don't. i do think hitler was a murderous bastard and would rather have exterminated people than let nature take its course through disease and starvation though.



    i see your point, but its not nature taking its course in this case. the majority of the people dying are coming from countries directly affected by IMF/WB, the economic arm of the US empire.


    Haiti was exporting food while its people starved. exporting it to the United States.
    Colombia's main export was devalued by 50% after it took a loan from the WB. that's standard. a priority is placed on exports, forget the cost.

    Africa is no exception, and is worse off. a country that takes a loan from the WB is forced to sign a piece of paper that says it will pay off the loan FIRST, ahead putting money into clean water or hospitals or schools or food. the first payment a country makes is to the WB. and that affects more than 120 countries around the world.

    these countries are paying off a loan that in many cases a fascist ruler took-he's living the good life, him and his family have 10 bmw's, mansions all over the country, and the people are paying off the loan and suffering.


    the economic arm of the US empire is killing millions.


    all it takes to save these people is clean water and penecillin. that's cheap.

    Have you seen that movie "Life & Debt"? It's a great documentary and it seems like it would be right up your alley.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    scb wrote:


    Have you seen that movie "Life & Debt"? It's a great documentary and it seems like it would be right up your alley.
    no but thanks for the suggestion.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Commy wrote:
    scb wrote:


    Have you seen that movie "Life & Debt"? It's a great documentary and it seems like it would be right up your alley.
    no but thanks for the suggestion.

    You can even watch it instantly on Netflix these days. If you see it, let me know what you think. :)
  • scb wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    Have you seen that movie "Life & Debt"? It's a great documentary and it seems like it would be right up your alley.

    cough, great movie, cough.

    Documentary is about Jamaica under the "guiding" hand of the IMF \ Worldbank.

    Depopulation, starvation, and mass genocide are par for the course with the ruling elite.
    It has much less to do with the "science" of our earth and much more to do with the dark art of global geo-politics.

    The truth is a bunch of well fed 3rd worlders is a major political threat to the established world order. People can only fight a common enemy once they have successfully battled the primal needs of food, water, and shelter.

    Most of the global environments REAL damage has come from an industrializing and long since established western homogeneous global consumer model, pimped out by a power freak global elite. See The Century of Self for more on that.

    The other major threat to the environment is simply man's ignorance and arrogance, which could be effectively combated with mass global educational and outreach initiatives. Instead of putting together a multi-billion\trillion dollar civilian defense force, Obama COULD direct his efforts to a mega-funded 3rd world grassroots aid initiative to help train and sponsor willing but unskilled volunteers to be effective local aid and information providers for 3rd world societies.

    But of course this does not seem to be the sponsored agenda.
    Instead, countless millions of indigenous people have and will continue to die worldwide probably more because they stand as a locally sovereign national threat to would be global dominion of western imperialist interests, rather than because of the largely misguided notion that the planet can simply not sustain them.

    And remember,
    Hitler learned and "borrowed" most of his eugenics agenda directly from Western Anglo-Imperial Elite ideology of the time, along with all the accoutrement,pageantry ceremony, and indoctrination of Masonry directly from their Anglo-Zionist sources, . This much was admitted. see freemasonrywatch.org (first quote) and waragainsttheweak.com (this page) for more on Hitler's copying of Western eugenics and of masonry's structure, respectively.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    There is more we could be doing to help, but only so much we should be doing.

    This earth only has a capacity for 8 billion humans, a number we are going to reach by 2011. Since I was born, the world population has DOUBLED!

    At some point, no matter what we do, LOTS of people are going to be dying of curable diseases and starvation as the world runs out of resources. Nature balances it out at some point, and human suffering will be the only way unless we force people not to have children.

    Ironically, the more people we save, the more children they'll have, and then even more people we'll be trying to save, and at some point we won't be able to save.

    Example.. save a hundred people now, they'll have 200 children. Save 200 in the furture, they'll have 400 children. Soon we realize we only have the resources to save 350, so 50 die and then next generation we have to try to save 700. Then 350 die and so on.. Now every generation 350 people are dieing instead of 100 because we saved the first generation and we've maxed out our efforts now only being able to save 350..

    Make sense?
  • Random_WookieRandom_Wookie Posts: 1,099
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    There is more we could be doing to help, but only so much we should be doing.

    This earth only has a capacity for 8 billion humans, a number we are going to reach by 2011. Since I was born, the world population has DOUBLED!

    At some point, no matter what we do, LOTS of people are going to be dying of curable diseases and starvation as the world runs out of resources. Nature balances it out at some point, and human suffering will be the only way unless we force people not to have children.

    Ironically, the more people we save, the more children they'll have, and then even more people we'll be trying to save, and at some point we won't be able to save.

    Example.. save a hundred people now, they'll have 200 children. Save 200 in the furture, they'll have 400 children. Soon we realize we only have the resources to save 350, so 50 die and then next generation we have to try to save 700. Then 350 die and so on.. Now every generation 350 people are dieing instead of 100 because we saved the first generation and we've maxed out our efforts now only being able to save 350..

    Make sense?

    sad part is it does make sense, what we need to see as a people if i may sound very cold for a second is

    we should do things for the good of the next generation and if that means pain and suffering now then so be it, or if that means letting some people die so that the rest can live then so be it too. overall we should be looking for the human race to survie. do you think that thinks like religion,belifs,etc play a part in why the population has doubled. All I hope for in my life on this earth, is to help make a difference and leave this place a little better then when I entered it.
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    sad part is it does make sense, what we need to see as a people if i may sound very cold for a second is

    we should do things for the good of the next generation and if that means pain and suffering now then so be it, or if that means letting some people die so that the rest can live then so be it too. overall we should be looking for the human race to survie. do you think that thinks like religion,belifs,etc play a part in why the population has doubled. All I hope for in my life on this earth, is to help make a difference and leave this place a little better then when I entered it.

    While I don't disagree, I just have to point out again that we wouldn't have to let people suffer & die if we just didn't have so many children in the first place.
  • Random_WookieRandom_Wookie Posts: 1,099
    scb wrote:
    sad part is it does make sense, what we need to see as a people if i may sound very cold for a second is

    we should do things for the good of the next generation and if that means pain and suffering now then so be it, or if that means letting some people die so that the rest can live then so be it too. overall we should be looking for the human race to survie. do you think that thinks like religion,belifs,etc play a part in why the population has doubled. All I hope for in my life on this earth, is to help make a difference and leave this place a little better then when I entered it.

    While I don't disagree, I just have to point out again that we wouldn't have to let people suffer & die if we just didn't have so many children in the first place.

    too true so is thier a solution to the problem that does not involve some pain and suffer, or have we drifted too far away from evolution. i think agent smith in the matrix said it best.

    "I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure. "
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    so what you are saying is that America is much worse then Hitler and the 3rd Reich ever was. is that right? I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    you have got to kidding. there has been no more effective killer than hitler and his 3rd reich. his was the systematic extermination of not only the jewish people but anyone else he felt caused him offense.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    you have got to kidding. there has been no more effective killer than hitler and his 3rd reich. his was the systematic extermination of not only the jewish people but anyone else he felt caused him offense.

    Tell that to the American Indians.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    you have got to kidding. there has been no more effective killer than hitler and his 3rd reich. his was the systematic extermination of not only the jewish people but anyone else he felt caused him offense.

    Tell that to the American Indians.

    least you didnt mention stalin. thanks steve. ;)
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.

    so what you are saying is that America is much worse then Hitler and the 3rd Reich ever was. is that right? I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.
    going strictly from the number of people killed....and like byrnzie suggested...if we include the native american genocide its not even worth comparing.

    i'm talking about an annual holocaust. and most people don't even know its happening. and that doesnt' include the 3 billion(+) below the poverty line. many hundreds of millions are living in pure misery, every single day, primarily because of these international (read US) institutions and policies....IMF/WB/Trade agreements....its all geared towards producing a class based society...where those who have more can take more...and those who have nothing are left to fend for themselves.

    to whoever suggested the earth can only support 8 billion or 11 billion people or whatever the number is...there's a reason for that. capitalism-which has been spread violently -primarily by the united states since the end of WWII-does not necessarily produce whats best for society..often its the exact opposite. profit rules, and motivates...from the company down to the individual innovators...people are looking to make money, not necessarily to save lives.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Commy wrote:

    going strictly from the number of people killed....and like byrnzie suggested...if we include the native american genocide its not even worth comparing.

    i'm talking about an annual holocaust. and most people don't even know its happening. and that doesnt' include the 3 billion(+) below the poverty line. many hundreds of millions are living in pure misery, every single day, primarily because of these international (read US) institutions and policies....IMF/WB/Trade agreements....its all geared towards producing a class based society...where those who have more can take more...and those who have nothing are left to fend for themselves.

    to whoever suggested the earth can only support 8 billion or 11 billion people or whatever the number is...there's a reason for that. capitalism-which has been spread violently -primarily by the united states since the end of WWII-does not necessarily produce whats best for society..often its the exact opposite. profit rules, and motivates...from the company down to the individual innovators...people are looking to make money, not necessarily to save lives.

    so what you are saying is that America is much worse then Hitler and the 3rd Reich ever was.

    is that right?
  • Commy wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    11-13 million people die every year from "easily curable diseases or starvation" around the world, according to the UN.


    that's in this American empire, this free world.


    Hitler could only dream of being so effective.
    i am not disagreeing with you, but do you think that there was not starvation and people dying of easily curable diseases in hitler's time? how many people died of malaria, dysentery and flu back then? not to mention the easily preventable disease that is war. i am just saying that this kind of thing has been happening since the beginning of time. we should do more to prevent and treat these things on a worldwide scale and i have no idea why we don't. i do think hitler was a murderous bastard and would rather have exterminated people than let nature take its course through disease and starvation though.

    Really? who gives the most money to charitable causes to stop starvation and disease out of any counrty in the world????? USA. Commy stop ur lies and hate tactics!!!

    i see your point, but its not nature taking its course in this case. the majority of the people dying are coming from countries directly affected by IMF/WB, the economic arm of the US empire.


    Haiti was exporting food while its people starved. exporting it to the United States.
    Colombia's main export was devalued by 50% after it took a loan from the WB. that's standard. a priority is placed on exports, forget the cost.

    Africa is no exception, and is worse off. a country that takes a loan from the WB is forced to sign a piece of paper that says it will pay off the loan FIRST, ahead putting money into clean water or hospitals or schools or food. the first payment a country makes is to the WB. and that affects more than 120 countries around the world.

    these countries are paying off a loan that in many cases a fascist ruler took-he's living the good life, him and his family have 10 bmw's, mansions all over the country, and the people are paying off the loan and suffering.


    the economic arm of the US empire is killing millions.


    all it takes to save these people is clean water and penecillin. that's cheap.
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  • Really? who gives the most money to charitable causes to stop starvation and disease out of any counrty in the world????? USA. Commy stop ur lies and hate tactics!!!
    :evil:
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  • Really? who gives the most money to charitable causes to stop starvation and disease out of any counrty in the world????? USA. Commy stop ur lies and hate tactics!!!
    :evil:


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2005 ... nashop.com

    It found that 61% of aid flows were "phantom" rather than "real" - rising to almost 90% in the case of France and the United States.

    The report accused rich countries of "political grandstanding" and highlighted the ways in which they were disguising how real aid flows were even lower than they appeared to be.......

    Of US aid, 86 cents in the dollar is phantom, largely because it is tied to the purchase of American goods and services. George Bush's Aids drugs plan excludes cheaper, generic drugs, so giving lucrative contracts to US pharmaceutical companies but treating fewer patients.
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  • who's it??????????????? :roll:
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    who's it??????????????? :roll:
    US food "aid" has ruined local economies in the past. it imports grain into certain countries, for example, and undercuts the local farmers prices, disrupts their ability to make a living from the local crop....so their livelihoods are stolen , they are forced into population centers...which has no way of taking care of them...the unemployed grow, the poor grow the misery grows.....and at the end of the day people like you can say, "well we gave them food, what more do they want?" "AID" can be used as an economic weapon.
  • who's it??????????????? :roll:


    i guess it was too much for you to click on the link and read the article?
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