Song Stats 2009 (Songs played this tour)

LeatherMosquitoManLeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
edited February 2010 in Given To Fly (live)
115 Different Songs played in 19 shows

Through 10/6 Los Angeles

91 Different Songs in 10 Shows Pre-Backspacer
86 Different Songs in 9 Shows Post-Backspacer

(Pre-Backspacer)+(Post-Backspacer)=(Total)

Ten (8)
Alive (10)+(7)=(17)
Black (7)+(3)=(10)
Even Flow (10)+(7)=(17)
Jeremy (0)+(1)=(1)
Once (0)+(3)=(3)
Porch (3)+(3)=(6)
Release (1)
Why Go (9)+(4)=(13)

VS (11)
Animal (3)+(1)=(4)
Blood (1)+(1)=(1)
Daughter (6)+(6)=(12)
Dissident (4)+(2)=(5)
Glorified G (1)
Go (3)+(3)=(6)
Indifference (1)+(2)=(3)
Leash (1)
Rats (3)+(1)=(4)
Rearviewmirror (2)+(4)=(6)
Small Town (8)+(7)=(15)

Vitalogy (10)
Betterman (8)+(3)=(11)
Corduroy (8)+(4)=(12)
Immortality (1)+(1)=(2)
Last Exit (3)+(1)=(4)
Not For You (3)+(3)=(6)
Nothingman (2)
Satan's Bed (0)+(1)=(1)
Spin The Black Circle (2)+(2)=(4)
Tremor Christ (0)+(1)=(1)
Whipping (2)

No Code (8)
Hail Hail (2)+(3)=(5)
In My Tree (2)+(2)=(4)
Lukin (2)+(3)=(5)
Off He Goes (1)+(3)=(4)
Present Tense (3)+(4)=(7)
Red Mosquito (0)+(6)=(6)
Smile (2)
Sometimes (1)+(2)=(3)

Yield (9)
Brain Of J (1)
Do The Evolution (9)+(7)=(16)
Faithful (2)+(2)=(4)
Given To Fly (8)+(6)=(14)
In Hiding (2)+(1)=(3)
Low Light (3)+(1)=(4)
MFC (2)+(1)=(3)
No Way (0)+(2)=(2)
Wishlist (2)

Binaural (8)
Breakerfall (0)+(2)=(2)
Gods' Dice (2)
Grievance (2)+(1)=(3)
Insignificance (3)+(3)=(6)
Light Years (2)+(1)=(3)
Nothing As It Seems (1)
Of The Girl (1)+(1)=(2)
Sleight Of Hand (1)

Riot Act (4)
Green Disease (0)+(1)=(1)
Half Full (2)
I Am Mine (3)
Save You (4)+(3)=(7)

Pearl Jam (11)
Big Wave (0)+(1)=(1)
Comatose (2)+(2)=(4)
Come Back (1)
Gone (2)
Inside Job (2)+(2)=(4)
Life Wasted (3)+(3)=(6)
Marker In The Sand (0)+(1)=(1)
Severed Hand (6)+(3)=(8)
Unemployable (3)+(2)=(5)
Wasted Reprise (3)+(1)=(4)
World Wide Suicide (1)+(3)=(4)

Backspacer (10)
Amongst The Waves (0)+(6)=(6)
Force Of Nature (0)+(1)=(1)
Gonna See My Friend (0)+(3)=(3)
Got Some (10)+(9)=(19)
Johnny Guitar (0)+(6)=(6)
Just Breathe (0)+(6)=(6)
Supersonic (2)+(3)=(5)
The End (1)+(6)=(7)
The Fixer (10)+(9)=(19)
Unthought Known (0)+(9)=(9)

Lost Dogs (8)
All Night (3)+(1)=(4)
Bee Girl (1)+(1)=(2)
Brother (5)
Down (4)+(2)=(6)
Footsteps (1)+(1)=(2)
Hard To Imagine (2)
Sad (2)+(1)=(3)
Yellow Ledbetter (7)+(5)=(12)

Misc. (10)
Breath (0)+(1)=(1)
Golden State (0)+(1)=(1)
Hunger Strike (0)+(1)=(1)
I Got Shit (1)+(2)=(3)
Jazz Odyssey (0)+(3)=(3)
Long Road (2)+(1)=(3)
Man Of The Hour (1)
No More (1)
State Of Love And Trust (2)+(3)=(5)
Untitled (1)

Covers (18)
All Along The Watchtower (1)
Angie (1)
Crazy Mary (4)+(1)=(5)
Driven To Tears (0)+(1)=(1)
Fuckin' Up (1)
I Believe In Miracles (0)+(2)=(2)
Interstellar Overdrive (1)+(3)=(4)
Last Kiss (0)+(1)=(1)
Leaving Here (1)
Love Reign O'er Me (3)+(1)=(4)
Mountain Song (0)+(1)=(1)
Needle And The Damage Done (1)
Rockin' In The Free World (3)+(2)=(5)
Soldier Of Love (1)
Sonic Reducer (1)
The Real Me (7)+(3)=(10)
Throw Your Hatred Down (1)
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (1)
-Chris
Male, 34

I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1

1998 Brisbane 2
2003 Brisbane 1
2006 LA 1 & 2
2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
2011 St. Louis (EV)
2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
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  • Thanks for the stats Leathermosquitoman!

    Could you update this when the london show is done as well?
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    I'll be curious to see how many different songs have been played after Outside Lands next week. 90? maybe 100?
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    awesome thread. i want some more no code-binaural.
    5/28/06, 6/27/08, 10/28/09, 5/18/10, 5/21/10
    8/7/08, 6/9/09
  • great thread! Soldier of Love is a cover though right?
  • grizahamgrizaham Nashville, TN Posts: 340
    Love the stats! Keep those coming!

    Any idea on how to create a PJ stats page like the bands on www.phantasytour.com
    You just add your shows and instantly get a variety of stats about the shows youve attended!
    :roll:
    Seen PJ 21 times live from 1994-2019

  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    grizaham wrote:
    Love the stats! Keep those coming!

    Any idea on how to create a PJ stats page like the bands on http://www.phantasytour.com
    You just add your shows and instantly get a variety of stats about the shows youve attended!
    :roll:


    i thought skyiscrape had something like that...

    interesting after last years tour... no WMA or WHO YOU ARE yet this year
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • Thanks for the stats Leathermosquitoman!

    Could you update this when the london show is done as well?

    Sure.
    -Chris
    Male, 34

    I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1

    1998 Brisbane 2
    2003 Brisbane 1
    2006 LA 1 & 2
    2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
    2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
    2011 St. Louis (EV)
    2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
    2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
  • great thread! Soldier of Love is a cover though right?

    You are indeed correct. Let me fix that.
    -Chris
    Male, 34

    I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1

    1998 Brisbane 2
    2003 Brisbane 1
    2006 LA 1 & 2
    2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
    2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
    2011 St. Louis (EV)
    2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
    2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    Thanks.

    The lack of Porch sticks out like a sore thumb...
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • GardenpartyGardenparty Posts: 1,910
    BeerBaron wrote:
    Thanks.

    The lack of Porch sticks out like a sore thumb...

    My first thought too. but.....that's good. We know it will be played soon enough which makes it more exciting. Release should be making a premiere soon as well.

    I want an Of the Girl opener personally

    edit: *goes to check ongoing thread then immediatly returns to remove Release comment* :lol:
    “I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version.”
  • nevmilesnevmiles Ottawa, ON Posts: 1,363
    Ten needs a bit more love this tour.....
    Barrie 08/22/98
    Montreal 10/04/00
    Toronto 10/05/00
    Toronto 06/28/03
    Kitchener 09/11/05
    Ottawa 09/16/05
    Toronto 08/21/09
    Toronto 09/11/11
    Ottawa 09/14/11
    Buffalo 10/12/13
    Ottawa 05/08/16
    Chicago 08/20/18
    Ottawa 09/03/22
    Nashville 09/16/22
  • First post updated!!

    9 New Songs today!
    -Chris
    Male, 34

    I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1

    1998 Brisbane 2
    2003 Brisbane 1
    2006 LA 1 & 2
    2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
    2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
    2011 St. Louis (EV)
    2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
    2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,574
    This is my candidate for thread of the year.
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • KloddzKloddz Posts: 2,573
    Good work there man, I hope the boys will keep 'em coming!
    Bern - September 13, 2006
    Berlin - August 15, 2009
    Lisbon - July 10, 2010
    Berlin - June 26, 2014
    Zurich - June 23, 2022

    http://www.last.fm/user/Kloddz
  • chidoonechidoone Posts: 327
    Thanks for the Thread ! Great job there!

    After yesterday's gig Ten and Vs are dominating the tour !!

    Riot Act is not getting the attention it deservers, though....
  • RideRickRideRick Hoorn Posts: 703
    No Jeremy :( and nobody noticed :(


    Damned, that song should have been played...
    | Pinkpop 1992 *BEST EVER | Rotterdam 1993 | Amsterdam 1996 | Pinkpop 2000 | Arnhem 2006 | Nijmegen 2007 | Rotterdam 2009 | Nijmegen 2010 | Amsterdam I + II 2012 ** | Amsterdam Eddie Vedder Solo 2012 First European Concert *EPIC*| Amsterdam I + II 2014 | Amsterdam Eddie Vedder Solo 2016 night I  | Amsterdam I + II 2018 | Amsterdam I -> Canceled  +  II 2022 *EPIC
  • PaukPauk Posts: 1,084
    Untitled, Angie and Interstellar don't really count as songs in my mind, they're tags!!!! (and if you did count them as songs, then why not Modern Girl as well?)

    Other than that, cool. Can't believe they played 80 (or 77 :lol: ) different songs :D
    Paul
    '06 - London, Dublin, Reading
    '07 - Katowice, Wembley, Dusseldorf, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    '09 - London, Manchester, London
    '12 - Manchester, Manchester, Berlin, Stockholm, Copenhagen
  • KloddzKloddz Posts: 2,573
    RideRick wrote:
    No Jeremy :( and nobody noticed :(


    Damned, that song should have been played...
    From the songs that have been most played overall (according to the song list on the main page), Jeremy and Once are the most prominent omittances so far.

    Edit: Also, no Baba O'Riley yet... Could it be that it has been definitely replaced by The Real Me?
    Bern - September 13, 2006
    Berlin - August 15, 2009
    Lisbon - July 10, 2010
    Berlin - June 26, 2014
    Zurich - June 23, 2022

    http://www.last.fm/user/Kloddz
  • RideRickRideRick Hoorn Posts: 703
    Kloddz wrote:
    RideRick wrote:
    No Jeremy :( and nobody noticed :(


    Damned, that song should have been played...
    From the songs that have been most played overall (according to the song list on the main page), Jeremy and Once are the most prominent omittances so far.

    Edit: Also, no Baba O'Riley yet... Could it be that it has been definitely replaced by The Real Me?


    ONCE... damned me... i didn't notice and it's also one of my favourites...


    Baba replaced by Real me? or Reign ...


    But i guess it's difficult to be Pearl Jam.... if the are 60 years old the need tp play a show of 4 hours per evening to reach at least some of all off their (future) albums :lol:
    | Pinkpop 1992 *BEST EVER | Rotterdam 1993 | Amsterdam 1996 | Pinkpop 2000 | Arnhem 2006 | Nijmegen 2007 | Rotterdam 2009 | Nijmegen 2010 | Amsterdam I + II 2012 ** | Amsterdam Eddie Vedder Solo 2012 First European Concert *EPIC*| Amsterdam I + II 2014 | Amsterdam Eddie Vedder Solo 2016 night I  | Amsterdam I + II 2018 | Amsterdam I -> Canceled  +  II 2022 *EPIC
  • chidoonechidoone Posts: 327
    RideRick wrote:
    Kloddz wrote:
    RideRick wrote:
    No Jeremy :( and nobody noticed :(


    Damned, that song should have been played...
    From the songs that have been most played overall (according to the song list on the main page), Jeremy and Once are the most prominent omittances so far.

    Edit: Also, no Baba O'Riley yet... Could it be that it has been definitely replaced by The Real Me?


    ONCE... damned me... i didn't notice and it's also one of my favourites...


    Baba replaced by Real me? or Reign ...


    But i guess it's difficult to be Pearl Jam.... if the are 60 years old the need tp play a show of 4 hours per evening to reach at least some of all off their (future) albums :lol:


    They will need to do album shows... like the Ten/Vs gig + some rares + covers then the Vitalogy/Yield and so on .... that would be cool !!
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    RideRick wrote:
    Kloddz wrote:
    RideRick wrote:
    No Jeremy :( and nobody noticed :(


    Damned, that song should have been played...
    From the songs that have been most played overall (according to the song list on the main page), Jeremy and Once are the most prominent omittances so far.

    Edit: Also, no Baba O'Riley yet... Could it be that it has been definitely replaced by The Real Me?


    ONCE... damned me... i didn't notice and it's also one of my favourites...


    Baba replaced by Real me? or Reign ...


    REAL me and Reign are cool but they are NO BABA... BABA with the lights on at the end of the show is a CLASSIC Concert moment no mattter how many times weve seen them do it

    Loving 80 songs in fricken 6 shows... this tour is gonna be unreal...


    But i guess it's difficult to be Pearl Jam.... if the are 60 years old the need tp play a show of 4 hours per evening to reach at least some of all off their (future) albums :lol:
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    Nobody Mentions BREATH anymore... speakin of songs and setlists...

    they brought it back 98 2000 a little and 03 and 05... but it seems like it went away again after 05... I love it bein RARE and all... but a few times a tour would be nice... Plus the story of how it was brought back in 98... I love it... It is the story I tell to let people know how AWESOME PEARL JAM FANS ARE>.. haha, WHOSE BETTER THAN US????
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • SVRDhand13 wrote:
    This is my candidate for thread of the year.

    get me in!


    a porch opener for friday? maybe a little release towards the middle of the show...hopefully when the sun is setting ( if it is out at all :( )

    that would be alright.
    That I no longer give a fuck
    Who is wrong and who’s right
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    This is my candidate for thread of the year.

    get me in!


    a porch opener for friday? maybe a little release towards the middle of the show...hopefully when the sun is setting ( if it is out at all :( )

    that would be alright.


    actually wonderin how long/good the PORCH jam was the other night when they played it...
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    ragejoe wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    This is my candidate for thread of the year.

    get me in!


    a porch opener for friday? maybe a little release towards the middle of the show...hopefully when the sun is setting ( if it is out at all :( )

    that would be alright.


    actually wonderin how long/good the PORCH jam was the other night when they played it...

    It was bloody brilliant... get the boot when it comes out...!!
    Astoria Crew
    Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
    Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
    Katowice, Wembley 07
    SBE, Manchester, O2 09
    Hyde Park 10
    Manchester 1&2 12
    This is just g'bye for now...
  • pineapplesandwaves.pineapplesandwaves. GTA Posts: 1,808
    Great job! Thanks for the thread!

    Hopefully, they pull Porch out again tomorrow!!
  • TavanCTavanC Posts: 27
    Very interesting stats. Bodes well for awesome shows this weekend in Toronto and Chicago.

    Encouraged that there is no Last Kiss! Of course, do not know if it was that popular in Europe.
  • I can't wait to update this after TO and the 2 Chicago shows!!

    And i would LOVE to get Breath at 1 of the 4 LA shows or the SD show i'm going to!

    And WMA!
    -Chris
    Male, 34

    I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1

    1998 Brisbane 2
    2003 Brisbane 1
    2006 LA 1 & 2
    2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
    2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
    2011 St. Louis (EV)
    2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
    2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    I can't wait to update this after TO and the 2 Chicago shows!!

    And i would LOVE to get Breath at 1 of the 4 LA shows or the SD show i'm going to!

    And WMA!


    ya, where the hell did WMA and WHO YOU ARE go??? those were great last tour.
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • bgirl59bgirl59 Tucson AZ Posts: 888
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    This is my candidate for thread of the year.
    :P :P Good stuff! Can't wait for the Toronto update!!
    Thanks,
    See you in Chicago!
    xo
    PEARL JAM in 2024! Dark Matter and MORE ! THANK YOU!!   
    Peace Love & Pearl Jam forever!!
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