Damien Echols/Army Reserve

chris32482

I'm just curious, does it bother anyone that PJ has a song that was co-written by a convicted murderer? I know all about controversy surrounding the case-- I've read "Devil's Knot" and watched "Paradise Lost". I actually do believe the WM3 are innocent. But the fact remains that a surprising amount of people believe Echols is guilty. So does anyone have any resentment toward this song or feel in any way uneasy about listening to it?

rawpixels

Personally, since I believe Echols is innocent, I have no problem with the song. I also think it's one of their best songs.

cincybearcat

Since I'm not a big fan of the song anyway, nope, don't care.

the wolf

no problems here, i too believe he is innocent. i dont really care that most believe he is guilty, hell most people believe PJ only put out one good album, so eh......fuck 'em.

anyone who actually does any bit of research into the case though would see that it was a witch hunt.

plus its a great song.

Pushin Forward Back

I could give 2 shits.... Army Reserve is a fuckin jam!!


dont think so much

mfc2006

doesn't bother me at all.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

dont even get me started.............

DewieCox

I don't care....It's top 3 on the album.

I love Helter Skelter, too.

MayDay10

I believe he is not guilty.

And I like Army Reserve. Maybe my favorite from the self-titled

ozarkcoolchic

www.jonesborosun.com

Jason & Jesse have been in court all week.

Ledbetterman10

chris32482 wrote:

I'm just curious, does it bother anyone that PJ has a song that was co-written by a convicted murderer? I know all about controversy surrounding the case-- I've read "Devil's Knot" and watched "Paradise Lost". I actually do believe the WM3 are innocent. But the fact remains that a surprising amount of people believe Echols is guilty. So does anyone have any resentment toward this song or feel in any way uneasy about listening to it?

It's sort of like the Dennis Wilson/Charles Manson stuff

patrickredeyes

On a side note have they ever produced new suspects? Cause somebody did this crime of murder.

Arcticangel

patrickredeyes wrote:

On a side note have they ever produced new suspects? Cause somebody did this crime of murder.

One of the victims father/step-father/uncle (can't remember exactly his relation) has been talked about in Paradise Lost, etc. And he just seems so sketchy to me...

CJMST3K

I'm a huge fan of that song. I knew Echols co-wrote one of them, I didn't realize which one.

I don't know whether or not Echols is guilty - haven't studied up on their case. If he is a murderer, then I would have a problem with it. If he's not, then no. For now I'll continue to enjoy the song.

chris32482

Arcticangel wrote:

patrickredeyes wrote:

On a side note have they ever produced new suspects? Cause somebody did this crime of murder.

One of the victims father/step-father/uncle (can't remember exactly his relation) has been talked about in Paradise Lost, etc. And he just seems so sketchy to me...

John Mark Byers. He was the step father of Christopher Byers, one of the victims. People suspected him for a long time because he is such a weirdo. There is a lot of things point toward him as the killer, but just like everything else in the case, you just can't find any solid evidence. However,new DNA testing has recently been done and the only DNA that can be linked to the crime scene belongs to Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of another victim, Steve Branch.

patrickredeyes

Thanks for the info everybody.

the wolf

chris32482 wrote:

Arcticangel wrote:

patrickredeyes wrote:

On a side note have they ever produced new suspects? Cause somebody did this crime of murder.

One of the victims father/step-father/uncle (can't remember exactly his relation) has been talked about in Paradise Lost, etc. And he just seems so sketchy to me...

John Mark Byers. He was the step father of Christopher Byers, one of the victims. People suspected him for a long time because he is such a weirdo. There is a lot of things point toward him as the killer, but just like everything else in the case, you just can't find any solid evidence. However,new DNA testing has recently been done and the only DNA that can be linked to the crime scene belongs to Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of another victim, Steve Branch.

Correct. John Mark Byers used to be the loudest voice against the WM3, but has since said he thinks they are innocent. He is a strange dude. For the longest time i thought he was shaddy, but i think that was just the obvious suspect for people that supported the WM3. so in a way myself, and others were doing to him what had been done to Damien Jessie and Jason. There is nothing other than him benig weird to point to him killing those little boys. Terry Hobbs on the other hand, there is at least DNA pointing at him.

regardless of the outcome, i hope the killer or killers go down for this. and even if it turns out that it was the WM3, the song still rocks. and i supported them on the evidence or lack there of because i believe they are innocent.

CJMST3K

Actually, if you like any music Phil Spector produced (Ramones, Beatles and more) then you're listening to many songs with the influence of a convicted killer - though the killing was after the recording.

chris32482

There is a song on Guns n' Roses' cover album, The Spaghetti Incident, that was written by Charles Manson. I think it's the last track on the record, it may even be a hidden track. But I remember when I first found out it who wrote it I was kind of ashamed that I had been listening to it. I was only 13 or so at the time. I don't think I have listened to it since.

Like I said, I believe Echols is innocent, and I love Army Reserve, so it doesn't bother me. But If it just so happened that he turned out to be guilty, I don't think I would be able to enjoy it anymore. The west memphis 3 murders was such a horrible horrible crime. It really bothers me to think about what those little kids went through.

the wolf

chris32482 wrote:

There is a song on Guns n' Roses' cover album, The Spaghetti Incident, that was written by Charles Manson. I think it's the last track on the record, it may even be a hidden track. But I remember when I first found out it who wrote it I was kind of ashamed that I had been listening to it. I was only 13 or so at the time. I don't think I have listened to it since.

Like I said, I believe Echols is innocent, and I love Army Reserve, so it doesn't bother me. But If it just so happened that he turned out to be guilty, I don't think I would be able to enjoy it anymore. The west memphis 3 murders was such a horrible horrible crime. It really bothers me to think about what those little kids went through.

its called look at your game girl. hidden track. and , a very good song. i actually own a bootleg of mansons songs. some are very good, some are bad, but all are interesting. i'm not ashamed for liking them. i cant help he is a nut and a convicted killer. that dont change that fact that he wrote a few songs that are pleasing to my ear.

DewieCox

the wolf wrote:

chris32482 wrote:

There is a song on Guns n' Roses' cover album, The Spaghetti Incident, that was written by Charles Manson. I think it's the last track on the record, it may even be a hidden track. But I remember when I first found out it who wrote it I was kind of ashamed that I had been listening to it. I was only 13 or so at the time. I don't think I have listened to it since.

Like I said, I believe Echols is innocent, and I love Army Reserve, so it doesn't bother me. But If it just so happened that he turned out to be guilty, I don't think I would be able to enjoy it anymore. The west memphis 3 murders was such a horrible horrible crime. It really bothers me to think about what those little kids went through.

its called look at your game girl. hidden track. and , a very good song. i actually own a bootleg of mansons songs. some are very good, some are bad, but all are interesting. i'm not ashamed for liking them. i cant help he is a nut and a convicted killer. that dont change that fact that he wrote a few songs that are pleasing to my ear.

Aren't you afraid you'll catch his craziness, or he'll brainwash you?

Firecloud

Ehh.

Personally, I'm utterly terrified that listening to a song will directly influence my decisions. I simply have zero personal conviction or ability to be an objective listener and appreciate musical narrative for what it is. I can't be trusted to be a sensible human being.

The 'Vs.' record alone was a complete fucking nightmare for me, for that simple reason. Got arrested for bestiality after listening to Animal, 'cause if Eddie would rather be with one, who am I to fuck another person?

CJMST3K

Firecloud wrote:

Ehh.

Personally, I'm utterly terrified that listening to a song will directly influence my decisions. I simply have zero personal conviction or ability to be an objective listener and appreciate musical narrative for what it is. I can't be trusted to be a sensible human being.

The 'Vs.' record alone was a complete fucking nightmare for me, for that simple reason. Got arrested for bestiality after listening to Animal, 'cause if Eddie would rather be with one, who am I to fuck another person?

bruce

I think he's guilty and I still like the song alot!

Sane Mary

Interesting question, for which I do not have an answer. However, lyrically, this song blows my mind when considered from the perspective of Echols: his wife is telling their young child that daddy is gone to war through the army reserve, when he really is in prison, and the child is getting old enough to find out the truth.