Will Leonard Peltier be paroled?

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hell no.  Let him stay in prison.

Have you seen this documentary:

Or read this book?

The pro peltier crowd will definitely make him look like hes innocent.

2 agents were shot in the head.  Kind of hard for me to look past that.  The fact that no new evidence came forward to help prove him innocent is telling too.

Sorry Brian.

I've never been convinced those shots were fired by Peltier.  I've also believed those agents should not have been there in the first place.

But hey, look, your a good dude and this is just one of those times we have differing opinions.  Not a problem.  To somewhat paraphrase an Edward Abbey quote:

"I would never betray a friend to serve a cause.  Never reject a friend to help an institution.  Great nations may fall in ruin before I would discard a friend over something that wasn't personal."

Amen, and hes guilty AF, lol.

uh, you may want to read up on this a bit. Reasonable doubt AF. 

Recanted witness statements[edit]

Peltier was convicted in 1977 largely on the evidence presented by three witness affidavits, all signed by Myrtle Poor Bear, that placed him at the scene of the shootout and contended that Peltier planned his crimes. Poor Bear claimed to be Peltier's girlfriend at the time, but later admitted that she never knew him personally. Moreover, Poor Bear was known to be mentally unstable. This was confirmed when the FBI deemed her unfit to testify in court. But her testimony, as put forth in her previous affidavits, remained a key part of the prosecution's case against Peltier. Two other witnesses whose testimony was used to place Peltier at the scene of the crime also later recanted. They alleged that the FBI had coerced and threatened them by tying them to chairs, denying them their right to talk to their attorney, and otherwise intimidating them.[4

Discrepancies in material evidence[edit]

FBI radio intercepts indicated that the two FBI agents Williams and Coler had entered the Pine Ridge Reservation in pursuit of a suspected thief in a red pickup truck. The FBI confirmed this claim the day after the shootout,[42] but red pickup trucks near the reservation had been stopped for weeks, and Leonard Peltier did not drive a red pickup truck.[42] Evidence was given that Peltier was driving a Chevrolet Suburban; a large sport utility vehicle-style vehicle built on a pickup truck chassis, with an enclosed rear section.[42] Peltier's vehicle was orange with a white roof—not a red, open-bed pickup truck with no white paint.[42]

At Peltier's trial, the FBI changed their previous statements that they had been in search of a red pickup truck and instead said that they were looking for an orange and white van, similar to the one Peltier drove. This contradictory statement by the FBI was a highly contentious matter of evidence in the trials.[42]

Though the FBI's investigation indicated that an AR-15 was used to kill the agents, several different AR-15s were in the area at the time of the shootout. Also, no other cartridge cases or evidence about them were offered by the prosecutor's office, although other bullets were fired at the crime scene.[38][42] During the trial, all the bullets and bullet fragments found at the scene were provided as evidence and detailed by Cortland Cunningham, FBI firearms expert, in testimony (Ref US v. Leonard Peltier, Vol 9). Years later, in 2004, a request under the Freedom of Information Act prompted another examination of the FBI ballistics report used to convict Peltier. An impartial expert evaluated the firing pin linked to the gun that shot Williams and Coler and concluded that the cartridge case from the scene of the crime did not come from the rifle tied to Peltier. This evidence negated a key facet of the prosecution's case against Peltier.[42][43][failed verification] The court did not allow the defense to present the Fargo jury with information about other cases in which the FBI had been rebuked for tampering with evidence and witnesses. In some similar prosecutions against AIM leaders at the time, defense attorneys did present such evidence to the jurie

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hell no.  Let him stay in prison.

Have you seen this documentary:

Or read this book?

The pro peltier crowd will definitely make him look like hes innocent.

2 agents were shot in the head.  Kind of hard for me to look past that.  The fact that no new evidence came forward to help prove him innocent is telling too.

Sorry Brian.

I've never been convinced those shots were fired by Peltier.  I've also believed those agents should not have been there in the first place.

But hey, look, your a good dude and this is just one of those times we have differing opinions.  Not a problem.  To somewhat paraphrase an Edward Abbey quote:

"I would never betray a friend to serve a cause.  Never reject a friend to help an institution.  Great nations may fall in ruin before I would discard a friend over something that wasn't personal."

Amen, and hes guilty AF, lol.

uh, you may want to read up on this a bit. Reasonable doubt AF. 

Recanted witness statements[edit]

Peltier was convicted in 1977 largely on the evidence presented by three witness affidavits, all signed by Myrtle Poor Bear, that placed him at the scene of the shootout and contended that Peltier planned his crimes. Poor Bear claimed to be Peltier's girlfriend at the time, but later admitted that she never knew him personally. Moreover, Poor Bear was known to be mentally unstable. This was confirmed when the FBI deemed her unfit to testify in court. But her testimony, as put forth in her previous affidavits, remained a key part of the prosecution's case against Peltier. Two other witnesses whose testimony was used to place Peltier at the scene of the crime also later recanted. They alleged that the FBI had coerced and threatened them by tying them to chairs, denying them their right to talk to their attorney, and otherwise intimidating them.[4

Discrepancies in material evidence[edit]

FBI radio intercepts indicated that the two FBI agents Williams and Coler had entered the Pine Ridge Reservation in pursuit of a suspected thief in a red pickup truck. The FBI confirmed this claim the day after the shootout,[42] but red pickup trucks near the reservation had been stopped for weeks, and Leonard Peltier did not drive a red pickup truck.[42] Evidence was given that Peltier was driving a Chevrolet Suburban; a large sport utility vehicle-style vehicle built on a pickup truck chassis, with an enclosed rear section.[42] Peltier's vehicle was orange with a white roof—not a red, open-bed pickup truck with no white paint.[42]

At Peltier's trial, the FBI changed their previous statements that they had been in search of a red pickup truck and instead said that they were looking for an orange and white van, similar to the one Peltier drove. This contradictory statement by the FBI was a highly contentious matter of evidence in the trials.[42]

Though the FBI's investigation indicated that an AR-15 was used to kill the agents, several different AR-15s were in the area at the time of the shootout. Also, no other cartridge cases or evidence about them were offered by the prosecutor's office, although other bullets were fired at the crime scene.[38][42] During the trial, all the bullets and bullet fragments found at the scene were provided as evidence and detailed by Cortland Cunningham, FBI firearms expert, in testimony (Ref US v. Leonard Peltier, Vol 9). Years later, in 2004, a request under the Freedom of Information Act prompted another examination of the FBI ballistics report used to convict Peltier. An impartial expert evaluated the firing pin linked to the gun that shot Williams and Coler and concluded that the cartridge case from the scene of the crime did not come from the rifle tied to Peltier. This evidence negated a key facet of the prosecution's case against Peltier.[42][43][failed verification] The court did not allow the defense to present the Fargo jury with information about other cases in which the FBI had been rebuked for tampering with evidence and witnesses. In some similar prosecutions against AIM leaders at the time, defense attorneys did present such evidence to the jurie

Yeah I've seen and read this before.  He had something to do with it and I am ok with him in prison.

There is not enough evidence to overturn anything.

Gern Blansten

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

the politics of setting an accused FBI double killer free maybe?

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

the politics of setting an accused FBI double killer free maybe?

maybe but....Peltier admitted to shooting at them....then he fled to Canada

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

the politics of setting an accused FBI double killer free maybe?

Or just politics.

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

the politics of setting an accused FBI double killer free maybe?

Or just politics.

Obama was on his way out so I don't think he would let it go by because of that. 

Did he actually put the bullet in the cops? Maybe not...but he put enough bullets in their direction that he allowed another to make the kill shot.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's been years but I dove into it before due to RATM being so outraged about it.

I figured that since Obama passed on it there must be some underlying reason.

the politics of setting an accused FBI double killer free maybe?

Or just politics.

Obama was on his way out so I don't think he would let it go by because of that. 

Did he actually put the bullet in the cops? Maybe not...but he put enough bullets in their direction that he allowed another to make the kill shot.

Tribal people wanted Dick Wilson removed as tribal president.  Outsiders intervened in tribal business.  People got shot.  The whole damn thing should never have happened.  White telling Indians what to do.  A quintessential snapshot of white injustice toward indigenous people.  Will this never end?