I disagree. Pearl Jam is a live band. Adding all of those instruments would make for a great studio album but i dont think it would translate well live. I think they should experiment though, just with only the instruments they use. I have a strong feeling this next album will have alot of experimentations.
Its not as hard to pull off strings and such live as you make it seem. That's what Boom is there for. He can program all sorts of things into his keyboard.
Have you seen Radiohead live? They have no problem pulling off there weirder more experimental songs from Kid A and Amnesiac live. Sometimes it just takes making a different arrangement for the live version compared to the studio version.
I would love PJ to try some more experimental stuff but I mean a real departure. Not the Vitology to No Code departure. I want more of a Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby departure. Or a The Bends to a OK Computer to a Kid A departure. I know the boys have it in them but they need to challenge themselves a bit more.
BUT i did love the Avocado so as long as the songs are well written performed with ENERGY (I'm looking at you Riot Act) I'll be happy.
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amen bro. I'd like another Binaural / No Code-type record in terms of experimentation. Lets get some strings on the albums......some voice distortion, etc.!!!
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They HAVEN'T gone back to their roots. That's what people say but are you gonna seriously tell me Yield is like Ten? No way! Where's the blind fury?
I think the fury has been replaced with concern. I mean, most of the early songs came from a place that Eddie and the band don't live in anymore. They have grown up, we have grown up. The music reflects the band and where they are in their own lives. Maybe the anger they felt in their own lives has been replaced with an anger and concern for their kids futures.
I think Avacodo was a notice to everyone that they are not done, not by a long shot. They have a lot left to offer us as long as we don't long for what was. I for one look forward to what will be.
I am very enthusiastic that whatever they produce will be another gem in it's own right. We go wrong I think when we compare everything to our own favorites, rather than on the material's own merits. I have my favorites but I have love for all of their work.
My two cents....
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They should make it really dark like Vs. They should let Stone just come up with tons of hard, grungy stuff and work it into songs. Too much Eddie on the last few albums.
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obviously a creative force needs to do what comes naturally, so we can't dictate which direction the band will go or should go. that being said, i'm at the point where the studio albums do very little for me and i am all about the live show. they don't have to make another album. it's been done.
obviously a creative force needs to do what comes naturally, so we can't dictate which direction the band will go or should go. that being said, i'm at the point where the studio albums do very little for me and i am all about the live show. they don't have to make another album. it's been done.
How dare you?!?
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pj8 was good. it's just that...i've heard it already. you know?
No, I agree, it was fine. But I don't need another one. I want something different. Something that.....I dunno.....pushes the boundaries somehow. Experiments into sounds they've never done before. Something to remind us all how great they really were/are.
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No, I agree, it was fine. But I don't need another one. I want something different. Something that.....I dunno.....pushes the boundaries somehow. Experiments into sounds they've never done before. Something to remind us all how great they really were/are.
to me, i always see jeff tweedy on that other side of the EV coin. they're both extremely powerful songwriters and lyricists but what tweedy has that EV doesn't have (or at the very least, what he has not shown us to have) is this creative restlessness to take things in places that he's never been before. it's not always successful but it's always a departure and that is something.
to me, i always see jeff tweedy on that other side of the EV coin. they're both extremely powerful songwriters and lyricists but what tweedy has that EV doesn't have (or at the very least, what he has not shown us to have) is this creative restlessness to take things in places that he's never been before. it's not always successful but it's always a departure and that is something.
Someone who sounds like you said the same thing somewhere else once, and I didn't get it at the time. This time I totally got it. Good point.
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--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
to me, i always see jeff tweedy on that other side of the EV coin. they're both extremely powerful songwriters and lyricists but what tweedy has that EV doesn't have (or at the very least, what he has not shown us to have) is this creative restlessness to take things in places that he's never been before. it's not always successful but it's always a departure and that is something.
True, but have you listened to the last 2 Wilco records? There's experimentation, and then there's just writing crappier songs. "Being There" was their finest album, and that's when Tweedy stuck to his original Alt country sound, but created something huge & original in its own way
True, but have you listened to the last 2 Wilco records? There's experimentation, and then there's just writing crappier songs. "Being There" was their finest album, and that's when Tweedy stuck to his original Alt country sound, but created something huge & original in its own way
also, the above post is totally beside the point. my point was that wilco takes it in different directions but they never lose what makes them essentially...well, wilco.
pearl jam cranks out the same meat and potatoes with each release. everyone likes meat and potatoes but at the end of the day it's still meat and potatoes.
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Its not as hard to pull off strings and such live as you make it seem. That's what Boom is there for. He can program all sorts of things into his keyboard.
Have you seen Radiohead live? They have no problem pulling off there weirder more experimental songs from Kid A and Amnesiac live. Sometimes it just takes making a different arrangement for the live version compared to the studio version.
I would love PJ to try some more experimental stuff but I mean a real departure. Not the Vitology to No Code departure. I want more of a Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby departure. Or a The Bends to a OK Computer to a Kid A departure. I know the boys have it in them but they need to challenge themselves a bit more.
BUT i did love the Avocado so as long as the songs are well written performed with ENERGY (I'm looking at you Riot Act) I'll be happy.
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I think the fury has been replaced with concern. I mean, most of the early songs came from a place that Eddie and the band don't live in anymore. They have grown up, we have grown up. The music reflects the band and where they are in their own lives. Maybe the anger they felt in their own lives has been replaced with an anger and concern for their kids futures.
I think Avacodo was a notice to everyone that they are not done, not by a long shot. They have a lot left to offer us as long as we don't long for what was. I for one look forward to what will be.
I am very enthusiastic that whatever they produce will be another gem in it's own right. We go wrong I think when we compare everything to our own favorites, rather than on the material's own merits. I have my favorites but I have love for all of their work.
My two cents....
See you all in D.C. & NYC!!
Oh, I'll keep takin' punches until their will grows tired
I will stare the sun down until my eyes go blind
Hey, I won't change direction, and I won't change my mind
-Reagan
How dare you?!?
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
hilarious.
i know on some level, if you look deep within yourself, you agree.
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--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
pj8 was good. it's just that...i've heard it already. you know?
No, I agree, it was fine. But I don't need another one. I want something different. Something that.....I dunno.....pushes the boundaries somehow. Experiments into sounds they've never done before. Something to remind us all how great they really were/are.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
to me, i always see jeff tweedy on that other side of the EV coin. they're both extremely powerful songwriters and lyricists but what tweedy has that EV doesn't have (or at the very least, what he has not shown us to have) is this creative restlessness to take things in places that he's never been before. it's not always successful but it's always a departure and that is something.
Someone who sounds like you said the same thing somewhere else once, and I didn't get it at the time. This time I totally got it. Good point.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
are you mocking me?
No. I seriously get it now.
--"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
True, but have you listened to the last 2 Wilco records? There's experimentation, and then there's just writing crappier songs. "Being There" was their finest album, and that's when Tweedy stuck to his original Alt country sound, but created something huge & original in its own way
a ghost is born has "crappier songs"?
you lost your mind.
pearl jam cranks out the same meat and potatoes with each release. everyone likes meat and potatoes but at the end of the day it's still meat and potatoes.
ya dig?
gimme a whole album of "sleight of hand's". haha
i agree .. i would love some super creative crafty stuff
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