Does the studio my wife recorded in claims producer rights?

key to the lockskey to the locks Posts: 37
edited August 2009 in Musicians and Gearheads
I was hoping someone on here would know about this. My wife began writing music and wanted to record a few songs. She went to a local studio I had used in the past(it's out of a guys home). She recorded three songs with guitar and vocal tracks. He added backup guitar to one song. His mixes she brought home were terrible. She asked if she could sit in when he mixed to give feedback and he said it made him nervous to do it in front of people which made me think he doesn't know what in the hell he is doing. Ultimately they were so disappointing she decided to stop recording. Three months later she has found a new studio and wants to finish. She called him for the masters. He said is would be another $250 to convert the master tracks(about 30) to the format she needs and that he was talking to a friend in the music business and he has producer rights and if something becomes of her songs they would need to do a contract.

My feeling is she paid for the following services: for him to record her original music, as a studio musician for the backup guitar part and for mixing the recording. Anyone know if he has any rights as far a being the producer? She is thinking about just scraping those tracks and starting from scratch with the new studio.

I don't know if this guys doesn't know what he is doing or if he is holding her music hostage. It seems we paid him to record these songs and he can't give us masters without more money? She actually had a manager get with her and begin to look at fairly large gigs for her so if the small chance something becomes of this can he do anything with those recordings without her consent? Should she ask him to delete them if she can't have them?

Any thoughts or opinions would be helpful.

Gregg
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  • I hate it when people deliver terrible work which they got paid for and then get pissed off and cause problems and demand even more money if you're not satisfied. Childish behaviour.
    I'm far from qualified for giving anything close to legal advice, but just to clear that up: Is there any kind of signed contract?
  • Nothing was signed. She called him up, knew him from times I had recorded songs in the past(I am not a professional musician, just recorded for my own enjoyment) and told him she would like to record some songs she had written.
  • This all sounds fishy to me. As I said, I'm really not qualified to give any advice, but chapter III of this might get you somewhere.
    http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/wppt/trtdocs_wo034.html#P116_14018

    They also have the actual copyright (and neighbouring right - your case) laws of your country (US I assume) under the collection of laws link.
  • Thanks, good info there. Sorry about the disjointed title - I must have changed my thought mid sentence.
  • This sounds like some utter bullshit to me. I have a home recording studio and have also recorded in several professional studios and it sounds like this dude is trying to pull some crap to squeeze more loot out of your wife. I'm no lawyer, but in my mind, the person who PAID for the recording session and decided what direction the recordings were going, is the owner of production rights. Furthermore, do you know what program he used to record with? In my experience, the majority of professional recording programs allow for a fairly effortless import/export of files so taking the data to someone else should not be a major ordeal. Anyway, if I can help in any way or you'd like a neutral ear for remix possibilites, shoot me a pm. I'm always happy to help a fellow working musician and my home studio is my real passion these days.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    This sounds like some utter bullshit to me.

    yup. there are plenty of us on here that have recorded & i'm sure we'd all be willing to help out in any way that we can.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    Okay, several things here...

    1) Without a contract, the guy at the studio doesn't own anything with respect to the songs or recordings. There used to be a lot of screwy contracts in the business where people like that could get a songwriter to sign something away inadvertently in the contract. But without a contract, he doesn't have rights to anything with those songs.

    2) Without being specifically hired as a producer (he was hired as an engineer), he has no claim to producer credit. It isn't uncommon for the engineer to also be the producer, but that relationship has to be specified.

    3) Without a contract, your wife doesn't really own the recordings she did there. It's unfortunate that you didn't get copies of the multi-track session (if he's recording in digital, then it's as simple as burning DVD-R's of the data files, or copying onto an external hard-drive). She got a mixed 2-track which is all she asked for at the time, so he doesn't technically owe you the multi-track files. He's being an asshole about it, certainly, but he's within his rights to negotiate whatever price he wants for those additional services that were never discussed before-hand.

    4) If the tracks were so terribly mixed in the first place, it's highly likely that the quality of the actual recordings are so terrible that it wouldn't be worth it to salvage those recordings. You'd be much better off starting from scratch with a competent studio, and I'd be sure to get a contract that you can read and sign before starting.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • Thanks everyone, great info and advice. Ultimately she just wants to start from scratch, you are right that the tracks probably aren't worth using anyway. I more than anything, wanted to make sure this guy didn't have rights to her music. She called him and told him since she didn't have the masters she didn't want anyone to have them and he agree that was probably the best idea so he said he would delete the tracks. Whether he does or not who knows.
  • pearljam7pearljam7 Posts: 447
    Kinda on a side note. But in the future your wife should be registered with ASCAP, so no one can steal her music at all. Any rights that are assigned, will be assigned by her through ASCAP.
    5/4/2006, 5/12/2006, 5/13/2006, 6/1/2006, 6/3/2006, 6/24/2008, 6/25/2008, 6/27/2008, 6/30/2008, 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 8/7/08
  • Ok, thanks. I had looked into that last week.
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