anyone who thinks fixer kicks Brothers ass needs to stop snorting COMET CLEANSER!!!!
and yeah..BINAURAL is a fucking brilliant album....some already know this, others may need a few more years to catch on.
thank God i dont need time,,,couse Binaural is so so great album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Talk about redundant i mean how many ways can we fillet a fish yes the band will have new sounding music from here till it ends .....what do people expect from this band the same all the time ....it's refreshing to my ears at least :oops: ....and do people really cares when someone you know say's that song the fixer sucks i for one don't care who likes the music at all i've never listend to PJ music based on the opinions of others .....they for the most part just don't get this band at all .........
this is not what anyone is saying. the only thing redundant is the "why do people just want more of the same" response. something is missing from the last few studio albums.
Its as if you think Ten through Yield were somehow 'the same' when they clearly weren't. In fact, i'd say those 5 albums were much more varied than Binaural through Avocado.
I don't really get why fans want them to "go back" be like ten
really how can any of us? Thats like me saying i need to think and act like i did when I was 33 years old
we are what we are experiencing day in and day out
enjoy and embrace the changes of our favorite band
its what we have and its awesome
Agreed. 1+ (Hate the use of this, but had to...) Change=good... But hell man, how old are you now?
do you people even read other comments, or do you just go around posting 'change=good' randomly in threads?
change does not equal good. change equals change. Good change is what we're after. not change toward bland, edgeless soft rock. WE DO NOT WANT MORE TEN! (although it wouldnt kill me either)
do you people even read other comments, or do you just go around posting 'change=good' randomly in threads?
change does not equal good. change equals change. Good change is what we're after. not change toward bland, edgeless soft rock. WE DO NOT WANT MORE TEN! (although it wouldnt kill me either)
Dear Mr Smith,
Before you go on a firing rant, maybe you should take a look at the threads I wrote instead of simply assuming that I "randomly write change=good" in other threads. And I definitly don't want to be thrown in anoymous group of "those people". Which "people"? Did I sign up to a group I didn't know about? Or is it more, that if I don't agree with your statements, I am immidiatly "one of those people"? Talking about generalizations! Read my threads before you generalize me.
Lets now take a look at the content of your message. Let me set the record straight: from my POV (with the emphasis on my POV) it is good that a band evolves and changes. The action of change is good. That's a lot better than repeating the same formular over and over again - what many bands do - and let's be honest if they had done that in all those years "people" would have called them "sell outs" a long time ago. So the way I see it PJ can't win.
From my view: PJ at least has the balls to change and reinvente themselves over and over again. If the result of the change is good? Well, that is open for debate, and more importantly: opinion.
btw - let's all go to australia, you mbrace your 'inner koala' at home....comeon and embrace an outer one!
i'm not gonna spend 367 hours in an aluminum tube with 300 people with questionable hygiene to go to stadium shows...i'll take my 5 local shows
:twisted:
you simply need to smoke.....a LOT....before flying! problem solved!
i love when you exhibit your paranoia. hahahahaha.
and hey, they're GA....and it's NOT just about pearl jam, it's seeing OZ! :shock:
party pooper....
you're not helping your cause by mentioning ga...horrendously long flight followed by being in a sea of people with virtually no escape....yeah that's gonna happen :P (i do want to see oz one day though )
now hawaii....i didn't do pj in hawaii on my birthday in 06....celebrating my 40th on the islands might be something
do you people even read other comments, or do you just go around posting 'change=good' randomly in threads?
change does not equal good. change equals change. Good change is what we're after. not change toward bland, edgeless soft rock. WE DO NOT WANT MORE TEN! (although it wouldnt kill me either)
Dear Mr Smith,
Before you go on a firing rant, maybe you should take a look at the threads I wrote instead of simply assuming that I "randomly write change=good" in other threads. And I definitly don't want to be thrown in anoymous group of "those people". Which "people"? Did I sign up to a group I didn't know about? Or is it more, that if I don't agree with your statements, I am immidiatly "one of those people"? Talking about generalizations! Read my threads before you generalize me.
Lets now take a look at the content of your message. Let me set the record straight: from my POV (with the emphasis on my POV) it is good that a band evolves and changes. The action of change is good. That's a lot better than repeating the same formular over and over again - what many bands do - and let's be honest if they had done that in all those years "people" would have called them "sell outs" a long time ago. So the way I see it PJ can't win.
From my view: PJ at least has the balls to change and reinvente themselves over and over again. If the result of the change is good? Well, that is open for debate, and more importantly: opinion.
To me these songs sound anything but bland.
the original poster went out of his way to say he didnt want a return to Ten, yet there have been at least a half dozen replies criticizing him for just that. including you, and you agreed with one of those posts!
its like some knee jerk response around here by the 'positivity nazis' (trademarked Mac Smith 2009) that whenever someone dares point out that something is missing, and maybe we should pull back the curtain behind the giant talking head, he immediately be condemned as afraid of change! YET NO ONE HAS SAID THIS.
Like I already said (and i assume you read), it can be argued that PJ has changed more in there first 5 or 6 albums than they ever do now, and to be a PJ fan for any length of time requires an acceptance of change. so everyone needs to come up with a better response than "go back and listen to Even Flow" or something similar.
do you people even read other comments, or do you just go around posting 'change=good' randomly in threads?
change does not equal good. change equals change. Good change is what we're after. not change toward bland, edgeless soft rock. WE DO NOT WANT MORE TEN! (although it wouldnt kill me either)
Dear Mr Smith,
Before you go on a firing rant, maybe you should take a look at the threads I wrote instead of simply assuming that I "randomly write change=good" in other threads. And I definitly don't want to be thrown in anoymous group of "those people". Which "people"? Did I sign up to a group I didn't know about? Or is it more, that if I don't agree with your statements, I am immidiatly "one of those people"? Talking about generalizations! Read my threads before you generalize me.
Lets now take a look at the content of your message. Let me set the record straight: from my POV (with the emphasis on my POV) it is good that a band evolves and changes. The action of change is good. That's a lot better than repeating the same formular over and over again - what many bands do - and let's be honest if they had done that in all those years "people" would have called them "sell outs" a long time ago. So the way I see it PJ can't win.
From my view: PJ at least has the balls to change and reinvente themselves over and over again. If the result of the change is good? Well, that is open for debate, and more importantly: opinion.
To me these songs sound anything but bland.
the original poster went out of his way to say he didnt want a return to Ten, yet there have been at least a half dozen replies criticizing him for just that. including you, and you agreed with one of those posts!
its like some knee jerk response around here by the 'positivity nazis' (trademarked Mac Smith 2009) that whenever someone dares point out that something is missing, and maybe we should pull back the curtain behind the giant talking head, he immediately be condemned as afraid of change! YET NO ONE HAS SAID THIS.
Like I already said (and i assume you read), it can be argued that PJ has changed more in there first 5 or 6 albums than they ever do now, and to be a PJ fan for any length of time requires an acceptance of change. so everyone needs to come up with a better response than "go back and listen to Even Flow" or something similar.
Listen, this is a debate that can go on endless. I think what I most object to is the tone and assumptions in your mail. I'm from Europe. My family endured the Second World War. I see the redundants of this war in the politics and literature still everyday. I know you don't mean to, but using the term "positivity nazis" well has a different ring to me than you intent. This I object against.
Now returning to your assumptions: I never critized the original poster. I agreed with one statement regarding "change". That's it. I furthermore asked what the age of this specific poster (who wrote that he changed from 33 onward etc.) was. I never said anything about Ten. All I said is that the action of change is in my POV good.
In my opinion everybody can criticise the Hell they want. Or pull back the curtain of the Big Talking Head (whatever that means). I've been critical myself at times. I don't think you always should be positive. You assume that I think that. What I do think though that these posts have little to do with Pearl Jam. It has more to do with the expectations of Pearl Jam. And how some of these expectations aren't met. Now if we truly discussed that part, if we dared to take this critical look of ourselves as a fanbase, and reflect on our own behaviour, than maybe we could have for once an intelligent debate.
the problem is everything is so polished since Binaural, including the Fixer, and it doesnt even sound like they do live recordings anymore. sounds like they just hand everything over to the producer (which in this case i guess is Ed and his pro-tools.) and it comes out without any rawness or edge at all.
Of course, this song will be fun live, once all the garbage is stripped out of it and it sounds like a real rock band is playing it, but there was a time when their studio output could at least approximate the raw energy of their live shows.
VERY interesting. Spoken like a person I would like to have a beer and conversation with...but how about this thought...Daughter was not even in my 5 favorites off of Vs. yet it was such a hit single that many people identify Pearl Jam with Daughter. RVM is more of a "hard core fan" type song...Better Man was not a favorite of mine either, yet it was such a hit single that those same people identify Pearl Jam with Better Man. Give me Satan's Bed...Need I go on? Do you see where I am getting here??? The singles are intended to be radio friendly, people...STOP WORRYING!!!
+1
Great point. You going to Chicago? I'd love to talk Pearl Jam with you.
As a fanclub we haven't had new music in a long time, as a result we are going to over analyze every snippet of music that we get. Be calm. Realistically Pearl Jam has never dissapointed (IMHO) with an album.
The 90's were a different time, the band was in a different place. They were the voice of the youth, they were raw and agressive. Times have changed now. They aren't going to write the same music now that they did then, because society isn't calling for it. Instead of Leash (a rebellious, youth song) we've been given Gone and World Wide Suicide (a political activist song)
As times change, the band change. Don't dwell in the fact that they are growing, instead grow with them.
Great point. You going to Chicago? I'd love to talk Pearl Jam with you.
As a fanclub we haven't had new music in a long time, as a result we are going to over analyze every snippet of music that we get. Be calm. Realistically Pearl Jam has never dissapointed (IMHO) with an album.
The 90's were a different time, the band was in a different place. They were the voice of the youth, they were raw and agressive. Times have changed now. They aren't going to write the same music now that they did then, because society isn't calling for it. Instead of Leash (a rebellious, youth song) we've been given Gone and World Wide Suicide (a political activist song)
As times change, the band change. Don't dwell in the fact that they are growing, instead grow with them.
Dude, I wish I was going to Chicago, but since the boys are playing my hometown, my mission to get to Chi-town has unfortunately died. Dont miss Bad Religion. I am fuggin jealous...
I can understand not liking The Fixer. What I never understood or will never understand is how SO MANY people say "Yeah but, TEN was their best album"...Pearl Jam has been an ever-evolving band...like the time that TEN was released, Pearl Jam was a different band, in a different era. And for me, I think a reason they are still as dear to me today as they were in 1992 is that they are evolving as musicians, and as people. Do you still think, behave or even dress the same as you did in 92? I hope not. Things change and people change, and I do not think that PEARL JAM has "sold-out", "gotten soft" or any of the other suggestions people have made...They are just very diverse, have MANY different influences, and are great at meshing those influences into their own music. Sure, I think that "The Fixer" is a poppier song than maybe we expected after seeing "Got Some" on Conan, but I LOVE the song, as do MANY others, and it is not forced. Speed of Sound...is nothing short of amazing....All I am suggesting is that you just take a minute to look at the body of work we have received from our favorite band, and look at the times...It is amazing how Pearl Jam's albums can tell a tale in themselves...about what was going on in their lives, in our lives, and at times, what is going on in the world in different times with different albums. Pearl Jam in one word is relevant. I think that Backspacer has all of the makings to be yet another great Pearl Jam album.
Well said...it's like expecting the Beatles "Abbey Road" Album to be the same as "Meet the Beatles".....these guys aren't 21 anymore...their music will change as they change
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i'm not gonna spend 367 hours in an aluminum tube with 300 people with questionable hygiene to go to stadium shows...i'll take my 5 local shows
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well Said
They're not Whitesnake for goodness sake...
Agreed. 1+ (Hate the use of this, but had to...) Change=good... But hell man, how old are you now?
change does not equal good. change equals change. Good change is what we're after. not change toward bland, edgeless soft rock. WE DO NOT WANT MORE TEN! (although it wouldnt kill me either)
Dear Mr Smith,
Before you go on a firing rant, maybe you should take a look at the threads I wrote instead of simply assuming that I "randomly write change=good" in other threads. And I definitly don't want to be thrown in anoymous group of "those people". Which "people"? Did I sign up to a group I didn't know about? Or is it more, that if I don't agree with your statements, I am immidiatly "one of those people"? Talking about generalizations! Read my threads before you generalize me.
Lets now take a look at the content of your message. Let me set the record straight: from my POV (with the emphasis on my POV) it is good that a band evolves and changes. The action of change is good. That's a lot better than repeating the same formular over and over again - what many bands do - and let's be honest if they had done that in all those years "people" would have called them "sell outs" a long time ago. So the way I see it PJ can't win.
From my view: PJ at least has the balls to change and reinvente themselves over and over again. If the result of the change is good? Well, that is open for debate, and more importantly: opinion.
To me these songs sound anything but bland.
:twisted:
you simply need to smoke.....a LOT....before flying! problem solved!
i love when you exhibit your paranoia.
and hey, they're GA....and it's NOT just about pearl jam, it's seeing OZ! :shock:
party pooper....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
you're not helping your cause by mentioning ga...horrendously long flight followed by being in a sea of people with virtually no escape....yeah that's gonna happen :P (i do want to see oz one day though
now hawaii....i didn't do pj in hawaii on my birthday in 06....celebrating my 40th on the islands might be something
its like some knee jerk response around here by the 'positivity nazis' (trademarked Mac Smith 2009) that whenever someone dares point out that something is missing, and maybe we should pull back the curtain behind the giant talking head, he immediately be condemned as afraid of change! YET NO ONE HAS SAID THIS.
Like I already said (and i assume you read), it can be argued that PJ has changed more in there first 5 or 6 albums than they ever do now, and to be a PJ fan for any length of time requires an acceptance of change. so everyone needs to come up with a better response than "go back and listen to Even Flow" or something similar.
Listen, this is a debate that can go on endless. I think what I most object to is the tone and assumptions in your mail. I'm from Europe. My family endured the Second World War. I see the redundants of this war in the politics and literature still everyday. I know you don't mean to, but using the term "positivity nazis" well has a different ring to me than you intent. This I object against.
Now returning to your assumptions: I never critized the original poster. I agreed with one statement regarding "change". That's it. I furthermore asked what the age of this specific poster (who wrote that he changed from 33 onward etc.) was. I never said anything about Ten. All I said is that the action of change is in my POV good.
In my opinion everybody can criticise the Hell they want. Or pull back the curtain of the Big Talking Head (whatever that means). I've been critical myself at times. I don't think you always should be positive. You assume that I think that. What I do think though that these posts have little to do with Pearl Jam. It has more to do with the expectations of Pearl Jam. And how some of these expectations aren't met. Now if we truly discussed that part, if we dared to take this critical look of ourselves as a fanbase, and reflect on our own behaviour, than maybe we could have for once an intelligent debate.
This "nazi positive" is checking out.
+1
Great point. You going to Chicago? I'd love to talk Pearl Jam with you.
As a fanclub we haven't had new music in a long time, as a result we are going to over analyze every snippet of music that we get. Be calm. Realistically Pearl Jam has never dissapointed (IMHO) with an album.
The 90's were a different time, the band was in a different place. They were the voice of the youth, they were raw and agressive. Times have changed now. They aren't going to write the same music now that they did then, because society isn't calling for it. Instead of Leash (a rebellious, youth song) we've been given Gone and World Wide Suicide (a political activist song)
As times change, the band change. Don't dwell in the fact that they are growing, instead grow with them.
Well said...it's like expecting the Beatles "Abbey Road" Album to be the same as "Meet the Beatles".....these guys aren't 21 anymore...their music will change as they change
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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