I didn't say that them being in mainsteam magazines is disgusting (though I'd prefer Rolling stone, Spin, or Time over People magazine!). And I still really like their music and I'm fine with a band being popular. I just think its so strange when a song can suddenly catch on a year after it comes out...I hope that doesn't rub anyone the wrong way
Yeah, I got the feeling you weren't being one of those tools clogging this thread with their self conscious hipster bullshit. I should've quoted the guy before you probably.
I didn't say that them being in mainsteam magazines is disgusting (though I'd prefer Rolling stone, Spin, or Time over People magazine!). And I still really like their music and I'm fine with a band being popular. I just think its so strange when a song can suddenly catch on a year after it comes out...I hope that doesn't rub anyone the wrong way
Yeah, I got the feeling you weren't being one of those tools clogging this thread with their self conscious hipster bullshit. I should've quoted the guy before you probably.
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
You would have a point here... IF the post had been about not liking the band's music. But it's not. It's about who listens to their music and what jeans they're wearing and what magazines they're in... it IS all about that Pitchfork hipster bullshit. This thread is about everything surrounding KoL EXCEPT their music.
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
You would have a point here... IF the post had been about not liking the band's music. But it's not. It's about who listens to their music and what jeans they're wearing and what magazines they're in... it IS all about that Pitchfork hipster bullshit. This thread is about everything surrounding KoL EXCEPT their music.
well i think some people are just putting the pieces together and calling it what it looks like, selling out. i doubt it's a coincidence that their huge leap in popularity/chic haircuts/teenage girl fans etc. came after releasing a mainstream sounding album. it's all relative. anyway, i at least appreciate you accepting the point i was trying to make...cause let's be honest here, we both came here to argue. that's part of the fun of message board discussions.
...i gotta ask you though, don't you think it's alarming how many teenage girl fans they have gotten from the new album? 90% of teenage girls, probably even higher, listen to terrible music. you can say music is subjective or whatever, but come on, just admit it. they gotta be doing something wrong to attract that crowd...
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
You would have a point here... IF the post had been about not liking the band's music. But it's not. It's about who listens to their music and what jeans they're wearing and what magazines they're in... it IS all about that Pitchfork hipster bullshit. This thread is about everything surrounding KoL EXCEPT their music.
well i think some people are just putting the pieces together and calling it what it looks like, selling out. i doubt it's a coincidence that their huge leap in popularity/chic haircuts/teenage girl fans etc. came after releasing a mainstream sounding album. it's all relative. anyway, i at least appreciate you accepting the point i was trying to make...cause let's be honest here, we both came here to argue. that's part of the fun of message board discussions.
...i gotta ask you though, don't you think it's alarming how many teenage girl fans they have gotten from the new album? 90% of teenage girls, probably even higher, listen to terrible music. you can say music is subjective or whatever, but come on, just admit it. they gotta be doing something wrong to attract that crowd...
I think they attract the girls because they're "pretty boys." Simple as the that.
...i gotta ask you though, don't you think it's alarming how many teenage girl fans they have gotten from the new album? 90% of teenage girls, probably even higher, listen to terrible music. you can say music is subjective or whatever, but come on, just admit it. they gotta be doing something wrong to attract that crowd...
No, I don't. I couldn't care less. I like the new stuff and I listen to good music. When I was really young, I liked Bryan Adams. It took a few grunge bands to bring me to some great stuff. So maybe that's what's happening here... they're drawing fans that used to listen to generic pop but are now looking for something with a bit more to offer... and KoL is their guide. Like PJ was for me all those years ago.
And I'm all for having more pretty girls at concerts I go to. Even if a lot of them are jailbait!
There isn't much difference between Only By the Night and Because Of The Times. Outside of Sex On Fire, I don't really hear a difference. Crawl is still classic Kings of Leon, so is Manhattan and Revelry.
Sorry that you can't be a hipster and listen to a band that got popular. They've always been great and are finally getting the recognition they deserve.
You do realize you're posting on a Pearl Jam message board, the band known as the biggest band of the 1990s and had multiple radio hits? I've heard more Pearl Jam songs on my classic rock and "new music" radio station in my town than I do Kings of Leon. I actually heard Daughter and Jeremy driving around this weekend while I only heard Use Somebody once.
"What is Hip,
Tell me, tell me,
If you think you know"
Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
You would have a point here... IF the post had been about not liking the band's music. But it's not. It's about who listens to their music and what jeans they're wearing and what magazines they're in... it IS all about that Pitchfork hipster bullshit. This thread is about everything surrounding KoL EXCEPT their music.
it's about their new image but also but their new sound.. it's terrible. For their sake I hope the turn back to aha shake type sound next album but for me the damage is done. They have sold out more clearly than other band I know of .
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
Because they shaved their beards and had a hit song, they "sold out"?
You're not exactly going to hear "Crawl" in a shampoo commercial, I mean, other than "Sex on Fire" and "Use Somebody", which are both good songs, there isn't anything on Only by the Night that screams "smash hit". They're not trying to write radio hits, it's just that their sound has evolved to something more anthemic, rather than the Southern garage rock that they started out with. If they continued along that path, all you'd get is fans complaining that they don't try new things.
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Yeah, I got the feeling you weren't being one of those tools clogging this thread with their self conscious hipster bullshit. I should've quoted the guy before you probably.
news flash for you, this thread was started because the o.p. was venting his frustration with the direction a band that he seemed to have liked in the past has decided to take with their careers, so if anyone is clogging the thread, it's you. can you not understand the huge difference in sound from "youth and young manhood" to "only by the night"? does it really surprise you that they would lose some fans with the new album? why so defensive? whether you dig it or not is not the issue. no one is saying there is anything wrong with listening to kings of leon, all that is being said is that they made a mainstream record, and some old fans don't like it. get over it. just because someone doesn't dig the same bullshit you do doesn't mean they are self conscious hipsters. if anyone is being pretentious here it's you. i mean really, i love third eye blind's self titled album, but if someone tells me it's shitty teenybopper rock, i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit and accuse them of spewing some "self conscious hipster bullshit". why are you so offended by the kol backlash? does it take away from your listening experience when you put the cd on now? maybe you are a bit self conscious.
p.s. you really think there are these so called self conscious hipsters here on the pearl jam message board? the way you used the word in such a negative context i'll assume you're reffering to the indie poser, pitchfork worshipping crowd, which i know, they do exist, and they do suck...but those people hate pearl jam. we're all cool here.
You would have a point here... IF the post had been about not liking the band's music. But it's not. It's about who listens to their music and what jeans they're wearing and what magazines they're in... it IS all about that Pitchfork hipster bullshit. This thread is about everything surrounding KoL EXCEPT their music.
well i think some people are just putting the pieces together and calling it what it looks like, selling out. i doubt it's a coincidence that their huge leap in popularity/chic haircuts/teenage girl fans etc. came after releasing a mainstream sounding album. it's all relative. anyway, i at least appreciate you accepting the point i was trying to make...cause let's be honest here, we both came here to argue. that's part of the fun of message board discussions.
...i gotta ask you though, don't you think it's alarming how many teenage girl fans they have gotten from the new album? 90% of teenage girls, probably even higher, listen to terrible music. you can say music is subjective or whatever, but come on, just admit it. they gotta be doing something wrong to attract that crowd...
I think they attract the girls because they're "pretty boys." Simple as the that.
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No, I don't. I couldn't care less. I like the new stuff and I listen to good music. When I was really young, I liked Bryan Adams. It took a few grunge bands to bring me to some great stuff. So maybe that's what's happening here... they're drawing fans that used to listen to generic pop but are now looking for something with a bit more to offer... and KoL is their guide. Like PJ was for me all those years ago.
And I'm all for having more pretty girls at concerts I go to. Even if a lot of them are jailbait!
Sorry that you can't be a hipster and listen to a band that got popular. They've always been great and are finally getting the recognition they deserve.
You do realize you're posting on a Pearl Jam message board, the band known as the biggest band of the 1990s and had multiple radio hits? I've heard more Pearl Jam songs on my classic rock and "new music" radio station in my town than I do Kings of Leon. I actually heard Daughter and Jeremy driving around this weekend while I only heard Use Somebody once.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
as for What Is Hip, listen to Tower Of Power. They are HIP!!
(and i don't care what kind of clothes they wear, either)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN8pWdZh ... L&index=62
"What is Hip,
Tell me, tell me,
If you think you know"
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
it's about their new image but also but their new sound.. it's terrible. For their sake I hope the turn back to aha shake type sound next album but for me the damage is done. They have sold out more clearly than other band I know of .
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
You're not exactly going to hear "Crawl" in a shampoo commercial, I mean, other than "Sex on Fire" and "Use Somebody", which are both good songs, there isn't anything on Only by the Night that screams "smash hit". They're not trying to write radio hits, it's just that their sound has evolved to something more anthemic, rather than the Southern garage rock that they started out with. If they continued along that path, all you'd get is fans complaining that they don't try new things.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm