The way I understand this issue is that more than half of the crops grown in the U.S. are used to feed livestock. If the crops were all eaten by people, then the amount of food available to the world would be multiplied. Sorry, I don't have any statistics in front of me, so I can't quote any figures.
Of course, many Americans think they need to consume massive amounts of protein every day or they'll suffer malnutrition. The men who invented the RDA of 60 grams admitted that they purposely DOUBLED the human requirement of 30 grams per day to encourage people to eat enough protein. The irony is that it's almost impossible for anyone who eats a healthy number of calories to not get enough protein. The most dedicated vegans, who never take in a drop of dairy, get at least 70 grams of daily protein. Protein deficiency is only a problem in people who go hungry.
Excess protein contributes to osteoporosis. Protein is acidic, calcium is alkaline. As the blood becomes acidic with protein, calcium leeches out of the bones to neutralise the body's pH. Taking calcium supplements does little good: The intestinal wall blocks excessive calcium from being absorbed so that internal organs don't calcify (turn into rock!)
That's great info, Travis, thanks. Being vegetarian for the past 15 years has consumed me with dedication to protein intake each day. I'm happy to hear that my concerns have been overstated.
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~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
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Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
Has the neutron bomb been field-tested???? :twisted:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
Has the neutron bomb been field-tested???? :twisted:
More than likely. But I can practically guarantee that you and I will never know about it. :evil:
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery?
Africa doesn't need bombs... they need condoms. And a great big famine to wipe out about half their population. The sad fact of the matter is that there to are too many people in Africa for their agricultural sector to ever sustain them on their own.
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Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
Won't work. For the same reason other forms of birth control don't over there. Too many backwards cultures. The best thing to do is let nature take its course.
Rock me Jesus, roll me Lord...
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
Has the neutron bomb been field-tested???? :twisted:
More than likely. But I can practically guarantee that you and I will never know about it. :evil:
Excellent point, pardner
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Has the neutron bomb been field-tested???? :twisted:
More than likely. But I can practically guarantee that you and I will never know about it. :evil:
Excellent point, pardner
thanks professor.....
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
You're too kind; I'm probably more like Mrs. Howell :shock:
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Won't work. For the same reason other forms of birth control don't over there. Too many backwards cultures. The best thing to do is let nature take its course.
this has got to be one of the most nauseating comments i've ever read ... saying half the population should be wiped out ... i don't know if you've noticed or read the article but none of the big economic countries can feed themselves domestically - everyone relies on imports ... just because colonialism and corruption have exploited africa for years doesn't mean these people should die ... WTF?
do you actually think the lifestyle we live in western countries is sustainable? ... it's not and it's only through exploiting poorer countries that we live the standard of life we do ...
this has got to be one of the most nauseating comments i've ever read ... saying half the population should be wiped out ... i don't know if you've noticed or read the article but none of the big economic countries can feed themselves domestically - everyone relies on imports ... just because colonialism and corruption have exploited africa for years doesn't mean these people should die ... WTF?
Read up on human rights violations in Africa. Female Genital Mutilation. Backwards? Damn right I think they're backwards.
Cultural relativism is nothing more than PC bullshit.
this has nothing to do with PC - it has everything to do with humanity ... look at the list of countries that Amnesty cites for human right violations, treatment of women - the list is long - should they all die? ... have you been to Africa? ... i have ... and i can tell you that what you propose lacks the morality and any kind of understanding of what it is to live in africa ...
this has got to be one of the most nauseating comments i've ever read ... saying half the population should be wiped out ... i don't know if you've noticed or read the article but none of the big economic countries can feed themselves domestically - everyone relies on imports ... just because colonialism and corruption have exploited africa for years doesn't mean these people should die ... WTF?
Read up on human rights violations in Africa. Female Genital Mutilation. Backwards? Damn right I think they're backwards.
Cultural relativism is nothing more than PC bullshit.
...and they elect worse leaders than we do in the U.S. :twisted:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
That's one......poster child for backwards culture too....drug-addicted children soldiers and gang rape as a weapon of war/terror
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
That's one......poster child for backwards culture too....drug-addicted children soldiers and gang rape as a weapon of war/terror
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
no dictator in africa survives without some western support
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
no dictator in africa survives without some western support
Could you explain that statement please? I know it's off topic, maybe a pm?
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
no dictator in africa survives without some western support
Could you explain that statement please? I know it's off topic, maybe a pm?
who do ya think sells them weapons? when Clinton was in office the US was responsible for more than 1/2 the arms sales in the 3rd world. there's also business ties, like Nestle who buys their cocoa from plantations that use child slave labor in Africa. Also, we give aid to some of them
'the United States currently provides economic aid and security assistance to such repressive African regimes as Swaziland, Congo, Cameroun, Togo, Chad, Cote d’Ivoire, Rwanda, Gabon, Egypt, and Tunisia. None of these countries holds free elections, and all have severely suppressed their political opposition.'
and mentions other countries in Africa who we call 'good friends' and such
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
no dictator in africa survives without some western support
True....both sides in the Cold War sent many a arms and soldiers to Africa.....I suspect all players are still sending arms.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Thanks, that was eye-opening. It also confirmed for me that no matter what people "pledge", the world will never be freed from its addiction to oil. The balance of power and it's greedy pockets are far too delicate to be tampered with over something as silly as clean air or global warming.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
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And don't try to tell me that if we ended livestock production how much more farming of crops could take place....saving the masses from starvation....a lot of land used for livestock is not what the big-brains call arable land....look the word up.
First, I thought I was clear on the fact that I didn't expect the world to become vegetarian. Second, I'm not suggesting that we end livestock production, I KNOW people are going to WANT meat, poultry, pork, fish etc. What I WOULD appreciate is some humanity being incorporated into the greedy industries that find it necessary for living creatures to suffer during their harvesting. And third, it's not necessary for me to "look up" the word arable. I'm fairly-well educated and I know what it means. There's no need to insult me because you disagree with my lifestyle choice. :?
Not aimed at you, Dearie....this goes back a bit to a PETA fanatic that used to post here....Sorry, if I accidentally hit you with a bit of that toss...he had drunk enough of the Kool-aid to regularly broadcast those ideas. Again, I pubically apologize if I offended you .
Excuse me - I hope I'm not the PETA fanatic that used to post here - whom you were referring to. I read some of the things on here - and my eyes bleed (metephorically speaking.) There are so many individual freaks on this websight, that there is little room to be judging each other.
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"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
Not aimed at you, Dearie....this goes back a bit to a PETA fanatic that used to post here....Sorry, if I accidentally hit you with a bit of that toss...he had drunk enough of the Kool-aid to regularly broadcast those ideas. Again, I pubically apologize if I offended you .
Excuse me - I hope I'm not the PETA fanatic that used to post here - whom you were referring to. I read some of the things on here - and my eyes bleed (metephorically speaking.) There are so many individual freaks on this websight, that there is little room to be judging each other.
Not aimed at you, Dearie....this goes back a bit to a PETA fanatic that used to post here....Sorry, if I accidentally hit you with a bit of that toss...he had drunk enough of the Kool-aid to regularly broadcast those ideas. Again, I pubically apologize if I offended you .
Excuse me - I hope I'm not the PETA fanatic that used to post here - whom you were referring to. I read some of the things on here - and my eyes bleed (metephorically speaking.) There are so many individual freaks on this websight, that there is little room to be judging each other.
Paranoid much? Since when did you become a he?
Nice catch on my use of the pronoun....I was referencing a male poster indeed.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
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That's great info, Travis, thanks. Being vegetarian for the past 15 years has consumed me with dedication to protein intake each day. I'm happy to hear that my concerns have been overstated.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Interesting read, thanks.
Those poor Africans, why doesn't someone just drop a bunch of neutron bombs on the continent and be done with it? Why prolong their misery? It seems no one thinks they deserve to live a life without suffering, or to live period. Mankind is just royally fucked up imho. :evil:
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
More than likely. But I can practically guarantee that you and I will never know about it. :evil:
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Africa doesn't need bombs... they need condoms. And a great big famine to wipe out about half their population. The sad fact of the matter is that there to are too many people in Africa for their agricultural sector to ever sustain them on their own.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
We could pass on the gift of abortion?
Won't work. For the same reason other forms of birth control don't over there. Too many backwards cultures. The best thing to do is let nature take its course.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
thanks professor.....
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
I was thinking one of you HAD to be Gilligan :roll:
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You're too kind; I'm probably more like Mrs. Howell :shock:
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
this has got to be one of the most nauseating comments i've ever read ... saying half the population should be wiped out ... i don't know if you've noticed or read the article but none of the big economic countries can feed themselves domestically - everyone relies on imports ... just because colonialism and corruption have exploited africa for years doesn't mean these people should die ... WTF?
do you actually think the lifestyle we live in western countries is sustainable? ... it's not and it's only through exploiting poorer countries that we live the standard of life we do ...
backwards cultures?
this is fucking sad
Read up on human rights violations in Africa. Female Genital Mutilation. Backwards? Damn right I think they're backwards.
Cultural relativism is nothing more than PC bullshit.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthus
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
this has nothing to do with PC - it has everything to do with humanity ... look at the list of countries that Amnesty cites for human right violations, treatment of women - the list is long - should they all die? ... have you been to Africa? ... i have ... and i can tell you that what you propose lacks the morality and any kind of understanding of what it is to live in africa ...
again - what country can sustain itself solely on the resources it has domestically?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberia)
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
Do they actually hold elections or does some war lord just blow away the current government and step in? :twisted:
It's all so shameful... such a beautiful country with so much cultural history in its people, all exploited for hundreds of years. I suppose I should quit putting off that planned visit and get over there before all the animals, the people and the beauty is gone. (except for South Africa of course........)
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
no dictator in africa survives without some western support
Could you explain that statement please? I know it's off topic, maybe a pm?
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
who do ya think sells them weapons? when Clinton was in office the US was responsible for more than 1/2 the arms sales in the 3rd world. there's also business ties, like Nestle who buys their cocoa from plantations that use child slave labor in Africa. Also, we give aid to some of them
this is a year old but a good read
http://nativenotes.net/mugabe-africas-o ... tates.html
'the United States currently provides economic aid and security assistance to such repressive African regimes as Swaziland, Congo, Cameroun, Togo, Chad, Cote d’Ivoire, Rwanda, Gabon, Egypt, and Tunisia. None of these countries holds free elections, and all have severely suppressed their political opposition.'
and mentions other countries in Africa who we call 'good friends' and such
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Excuse me - I hope I'm not the PETA fanatic that used to post here - whom you were referring to. I read some of the things on here - and my eyes bleed (metephorically speaking.) There are so many individual freaks on this websight, that there is little room to be judging each other.
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW