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riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
edited July 2009 in The Porch
So, before i say this, just let me say that Matt Cameron is one of my biggest influences since I've been playing drums (23 years now) and I still find a challenge when playing along with BadMotorFinger.....but, for the longest time he just felt like the new guy loosely playing over Dave K, Dave A, and Jacks parts.....well, just now i found myself thinking of how many LPs each was on (Dave K: 1, Dave A: 2, Jack: 2,) and realized that now Matt is on his fourth record....wow, he truly isn't the new guy anymore....at all!......He's been there for half their career at this point!!! Good Stuff!!......riCo

ps...yup, I'm bored!!!
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  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.
  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.
    yea, me either!....it seems like i also remember something about him not really caring too much about being a full time member at first.....it took him a while!....
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    riCotokYo wrote:
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.
    yea, me either!....it seems like i also remember something about him not really caring too much about being a full time member at first.....it took him a while!....

    I think the band wants him, and he wants to be in the band, so I don't anticipate any changes.

    Though, if changes occur in the future, please for the love of god bring in Jimmy Chamberlain from Smashing Pumpkins.
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  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    CJMST3K wrote:
    riCotokYo wrote:
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.
    yea, me either!....it seems like i also remember something about him not really caring too much about being a full time member at first.....it took him a while!....

    I think the band wants him, and he wants to be in the band, so I don't anticipate any changes.

    Though, if changes occur in the future, please for the love of god bring in Jimmy Chamberlain from Smashing Pumpkins.
    or Sean Kinney!?!
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    WOW WOW WOW

    Yes, Jimmy, Sean and Matt all in one thread. I LIKE! :D

    Jimmy would be too good for pearl jam i think, there isn't that room in the pearl jam for his awesome drumming and ridiculous fills. He just works perfect for the pumpkins. He MAY spruce up the ten era again getting back those grooves rather than how shitty all the songs are now i.e even flow at 999999 bpm.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I BrisK I wrote:
    WOW WOW WOW

    Yes, Jimmy, Sean and Matt all in one thread. I LIKE! :D

    Jimmy would be too good for pearl jam i think, there isn't that room in the pearl jam for his awesome drumming and ridiculous fills. He just works perfect for the pumpkins. He MAY spruce up the ten era again getting back those grooves rather than how shitty all the songs are now i.e even flow at 999999 bpm.


    I think that Jimmy is (frankly) better than all the PJ drummers. Jimmy knows how to play subtle, knows how to do tight rudiments, and knows how to rock the toms. He would be a meld of all the drummer's positive aspects, in one person.
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  • A satellite forever orbitingA satellite forever orbiting Posts: 1,888
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.

    not to mention that he played drums on their earliest demos. i'd say his seat is safe and i dont want him to go anywhere. i love matt. he's not my favorite pj drummer, but thats not the point.
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    CJMST3K wrote:
    riCotokYo wrote:
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, he has been with PJ for what....11 years now? He joined the Yield US tour, and has been here ever since.

    Personally, I do not want to go through any more drummer seat changes in PJ.
    yea, me either!....it seems like i also remember something about him not really caring too much about being a full time member at first.....it took him a while!....

    I think the band wants him, and he wants to be in the band, so I don't anticipate any changes.

    Though, if changes occur in the future, please for the love of god bring in Jimmy Chamberlain from Smashing Pumpkins.
    dear lord... that would be :shock:

    jimmy would probably be my drummer of choice if i was putting together a super group

    love matt though! not to mention matt leaving would probably mean the end of PJ at this point... atleast from what ed has said in the past
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  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    I BrisK I wrote:
    WOW WOW WOW

    Yes, Jimmy, Sean and Matt all in one thread. I LIKE! :D

    Jimmy would be too good for pearl jam i think, there isn't that room in the pearl jam for his awesome drumming and ridiculous fills. He just works perfect for the pumpkins. He MAY spruce up the ten era again getting back those grooves rather than how shitty all the songs are now i.e even flow at 999999 bpm.
    god i know, i really wish Matt would go back and listen to some of that stuff again....though he demo'd that stuff in the first place.....and I'd love the chance to play my worked up (Chamberlain esq) version of WMA!! and yea, Evenflow is (minus his solo) so stiff and yea a gazillion bpms too fast!!
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.
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  • halszka123halszka123 Posts: 1,109
    Recently I have an oassion to count how long Matt is in PJ comparing His membership in Soundgarden. So - He was/is in both 11 years.
    I like Matt, I don't want Him to stop playing with PJ (all the Soundgarden reunion stuff), but, sorry, maybe I got used that PJ doesn't have only one drummer. That's why in my subconscious Matt is not permanent member of The Band.
    But I think He fits to Them
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  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.

    this made me spew gatorade on my desk.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    edited July 2009
    the wolf wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.

    this made me spew gatorade on my desk.

    lol, I knew somebody would! I was laughing my ass off as I was typing it
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  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    halszka123 wrote:
    Recently I have an oassion to count how long Matt is in PJ comparing His membership in Soundgarden. So - He was/is in both 11 years.
    I like Matt, I don't want Him to stop playing with PJ (all the Soundgarden reunion stuff), but, sorry, maybe I got used that PJ doesn't have only one drummer. That's why in my subconscious Matt is not permanent member of The Band.
    But I think He fits to Them
    I don't think that anyone wold dispute that the four founding members are the true irreplaceable members and honestly, if something (God forbid) happened to Matt, the band could still go on as they have in the past. Not sure if they would or not, but they could.

    Now, God forbid if something happened to one of the four founding members, I would bet that would be the end of Pearl Jam. I just couldn't see them going on without either Jeff, Ed, Mike, or Stone.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.
    so who then is the pitcher, ed or matt.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    metsfan wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.
    so who then is the pitcher, ed or matt.

    alright let's calm down now.....let's keep this all civilized
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    the wolf wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.

    this made me spew gatorade on my desk.

    It got an LOL from me, as well. Funny cuz it's true, I guess.
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  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.

    this made me spew gatorade on my desk.

    lol, I knew somebody would! I was laughing my ass off as I was typing it
    that was some pretty funny assed shit!!
  • bovy_jbovy_j Posts: 1,008
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam. Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    Eddie has always had a man-crush on Matt. Dave was like some little skank that Eddie used to fuck while he waited for the Cornell/Cameron marriage to end. I guess Jack could be like Eddie's high school girlfriend....they have history together....but they just never could make it work. Then Soundgarden broke up and Eddie and Matt could finally be together in a marriage made in grunge heaven. Notice how Eddie's "angst" has decreased over the years? He's FINALLY happy!

    Meanwhile, Dave sits home weeping and singing the outro to "Black" over and over.

    :lol::lol::lol:
    I loll'ed a bunch @ this post!
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    riCotokYo wrote:
    I BrisK I wrote:
    WOW WOW WOW

    Yes, Jimmy, Sean and Matt all in one thread. I LIKE! :D

    Jimmy would be too good for pearl jam i think, there isn't that room in the pearl jam for his awesome drumming and ridiculous fills. He just works perfect for the pumpkins. He MAY spruce up the ten era again getting back those grooves rather than how shitty all the songs are now i.e even flow at 999999 bpm.
    god i know, i really wish Matt would go back and listen to some of that stuff again....though he demo'd that stuff in the first place.....and I'd love the chance to play my worked up (Chamberlain esq) version of WMA!! and yea, Evenflow is (minus his solo) so stiff and yea a gazillion bpms too fast!!

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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam.


    The same was true of Dave. He was longer than Dave Krusen and Matt Chamberlain combined.

    When PJ parts with MC (joking, for those "matt protectors" who can't take a joke) they will have Jimmy Chamberlin for 22 years, and then he is THE drummer of pearl jam.
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  • PlanktonPlankton Posts: 692
    He's pretty synonymous with PJ for me now.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam.


    The same was true of Dave. He was longer than Dave Krusen and Matt Chamberlain combined.

    Well that's a pointless point to make.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam.


    The same was true of Dave. He was longer than Dave Krusen and Matt Chamberlain combined.

    Well that's a pointless point to make.


    Not really. The point you were making was pointless because you were stating that MC is "THE drummer of Pearl Jam" simply because of the amount of time compared to the other drummers, when that has no bearing on whether or not someone is "THE" drummer, otherwise Dave would be "THE" drummer for the same reason.

    However, the band wants him and he likes being in the band, so that is the reason he is THE drummer. MC was "THE" drummer the first month he was playing shows with them. That was clear in '98.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Matt is great plus he has the best hair in the band!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:


    Well that's a pointless point to make.


    Not really. The point you were making was pointless because you were stating that MC is "THE drummer of Pearl Jam" simply because of the amount of time compared to the other drummers, when that has no bearing on whether or not someone is "THE" drummer, otherwise Dave would be "THE" drummer for the same reason.

    Well I just thought it was pointless because yeah Dave was in longer than Krusen and Chamberlain combined...but Cameron has been in longer than Dave, Jack, Krusen, and Chamberlain combined. So in 2002 Dave's THE drummer but now you can't.

    but let's not argue about trivial silliness or capitalize the world "THE" anymore
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:


    Well that's a pointless point to make.


    Not really. The point you were making was pointless because you were stating that MC is "THE drummer of Pearl Jam" simply because of the amount of time compared to the other drummers, when that has no bearing on whether or not someone is "THE" drummer, otherwise Dave would be "THE" drummer for the same reason.

    Well I just thought it was pointless because yeah Dave was in longer than Krusen and Chamberlain combined...but Cameron has been in longer than Dave, Jack, Krusen, and Chamberlain combined. So in 2002 Dave's THE drummer but now you can't.

    but let's not argue about trivial silliness or capitalize the world "THE" anymore


    You were suggesting that the amount of time MC has been in the band has something to do with his permanence. I was simply using your same logic that if tenure dictates the permanence, then Dave was "the" drummer because he was there longer than Krusen and Chamberlain. ...and that doesn't hold water either. My comment was indeed pointless, because it followed YOUR logic.
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    He's been in the band now longer than all the other drummers combined. He is THE drummer of Pearl Jam.

    I think PJ's drummer is PJ's drummer. I don't think the tenure has anything to do with it. Whomever is PJ's drummer at the time IS their drummer. While I wish DA were still playing their early catalog (or that MC could figure out how to play that way), I understand that MC is their drummer by their choice.

    Whether MC was in for a year, or in for 11 years, MC was their drummer from the moment they hired him just like William DuVall is Alice In Chains' singer, and not Layne Stanley, and I'd bet there are a number of AIC fans who prefer William Duvall's singing to Layne Stanley. For all I know PJ might choose Ringo Starr in 2010, and then RS will be PJ's drummer and then I'll watch not only DA's and JI's songs get butchered, but also MC's. :lol:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Others may argue that that's not true since they made their best music with Dave and Jack on drums. But they were both really just temporary fill-ins until they could finally get Matt Cameron.

    I disagree. I think PJ hired Dave and Jack as their drummer just like they hired Matt. They were real, full-time members of the band.
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  • darthvedder81darthvedder81 Posts: 688
    Uh, Matt hasn't been the "new guy" for like 5 years.
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  • cannotstaylongcannotstaylong Posts: 668
    I agree he's not the new guy anymore. As Ed has implied/said many times, Matt is a true professional on a the kit. He's as solid as anyone out there and I think he does an incredible job live night in and night out. I prefer the energy and dynamics of Dave A and Jack, but Matt is a very tight drummer. He makes everything very easy for the rest of the guys in the band. He is a master of tom rolls, which were a definite mainstay of the Soundgarden catalog. I agree with many of you that he just can't get it quite right on the early stuff, but he never is going to play like Dave A did. And sure, I don't like the way he plays In My Tree, but let's be honest, few people can play it the way Jack did. At the end of the day I am glad to have Matt. He provides the stability, reliability and durability to make Pearl Jam a very well-oiled machine. He came in and learned their massive catalog, adding his own influence while still working within their framework. He's also contributed some pretty cool songs recently as well.

    Ultimately, I'd rather have a Matt Cameron who is going to keep the band together than another Dave A who might break it up.
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