KoL and Pearl Jam...

lazyjc22

Fastrichie wrote:

Don't know if they are overrated. But if you've seen them in concert 1 time that is all you need. No connection w/ the audience and the same set list every night.

If you've only seen them once, how in the world would you know?

If you've seen them multiple times and hold this opinion, you're sorely mistaken.

supersonicyears

Fastrichie wrote:

Don't know if they are overrated. But if you've seen them in concert 1 time that is all you need. No connection w/ the audience and the same set list every night.

That's not true.

electronic_dreams

Youth and Young Manhood is a seriously killer album. Really. One of the best debuts out there. For anyone reading this thread that hasn't had a listen of this, you need to drop everything now and get a copy. I remember listening to it thinking "wow... this is what the love child of CCR and Aerosmith would sound like"

Aha Shake Heartbreak is right up there too (a close second to Y&YM)

There last 2 aren't in the same league IMO, but are nevertheless pretty good listening in parts.

However, in a live environment they are bit of a paradox really. Their sound is awesome. Really good. They really cross that album/live crevasse really well, the ravine of death that so many other bands fall into and die. However, their (lack of) on stage presence and set list rigiditity really take away from their awesome sound.

I've seen them 7 times in total, 6 whilst opening for PJ and they even said the same things between the same songs, night after night. As they get older hopefully they'll relax.

Spiritual_Chaos

yeahhhhh this sex is on fire, wahh wahh wahh *more whiny singing with stupid lyrics*

if somethings wrong, i put a little fixin' on it... is better?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i like KoL. not the most profound lyrics ever, but still cool.

lukinvedder

Fastrichie wrote:

Don't know if they are overrated. But if you've seen them in concert 1 time that is all you need. No connection w/ the audience and the same set list every night.

so true about the kings live.

now pearl jam i do agree that i dont wanna share my band with the "lesser folks", but do not agree that pearl jam are going for a more "widespread audience". the fixer is alot of fun. let the guys have fun too.

CG49089

PJ_kidd_9-21-22 wrote:

81 wrote:

KOL = over rated

yeahhhhh this sex is on fire, wahh wahh wahh *more whiny singing with stupid lyrics*

Sex on Fire is a good song!!! ... you so craysee essey

wash_

I agree with the original poster.

Pretty selfish of me but it does really grate when my mates (who love dance, poppy crap) are saying how briliant KOL are (purely baseing it on sex on fire track). I've been there right from the beginning of KOL career and sex on fire is not truly them.

On a good note, I hear that their next album is supposedly more grungy and hopefully less accesssible to these sex on fire fans.

ilockyer

First of all, I hate this elitist crap about people who aren't hardcore fans being "lesser" people at shows. It's just bollocks, everyone starts off only knowing a few songs and often it's the live show that wins people over. Without these people at the shows the audience would stagnate and no-one wants that.

Regarding setlists changing etc, I guess at the moment KOL maybe feel that they have to play all the songs everyone wants to hear every night. Bob Dylan probably wasn't the best example of static sets as he doesn't play the same setlist every night, mixes it up quite a lot, of 14-17 songs in the set there's usually 5-6 the same each night.

Mixing up the setlist doesn't make a show great, more often than not it means lesser known songs are played and done a dis-service as the band may not have rehearsed them. You could see the same setlist twice, one night it might not be a good show, the next it might be immense. Just depends on whether the band are on it hat night.

KOL... I've never quite got the hype about them, they're good at what they do, it's just nothing that hasn't been heard before IMO. The last album hasn't done them any favours, but they're still better than The Killers!

Dr Emmett Brown

The big difference between PJ and KoL sets is that PJ have 9 studio albums + dozens of b-sides to call upon, plus the covers they do, while Kings of Leon have 4 albums and not many b-sides (a lot of their singles contain live versions of existing songs). KoL simply don't have the amount of material to call on to allow them to massively vary their sets.

However, I've seen them seven times, including four in the last year (V Festival in Aug 08, O2 in Dec 08 and O2 again twice last month), and while there was a certain amount of crossover in their sets, there was still big variation in them. The set at the O2 on June 30th was brilliant, contained almost everything I wanted to hear. Also, in that year, their stage presence has improved expedentially, the June gigs contained much more movement and crowd interaction than, say, at the Astoria in 2003 or 4 (can't quite remember which year it was) and I'd always have picked the Astoria for a gig due to its intimacy

Ricsard

I still don't know what to think of them. They have some great melodies but many songs of theirs are so alike and by the way I really hated Use somebody after about the 4th listen...

I saw them perform in 2007 but they were not as good as everyone thinks. They shared the stage with Incubus and Pearl Jam and imho KOL couldn't even hold the candle to them!!!

Gary Carter

Dillsnufus wrote:

I like kol but there MTV rock cover boys they've become annoys me. They're popular for their boy band looks and good music. They're the adult Jonas brothers.


Let the arguement begin

ps mmj should be just as popular or more cause they're better

you are dead with in your comparison of kol being an adult jonas bro. mmj make music thats to hard for the average idiot mainstream music lover to understand. also WTF is up with all this jonas bro talk on here as of late.

Dr Emmett Brown

Living in the UK, we've fortunately been spared the Jonas Brothers. Well, for now at least

ilockyer

Who/what are the Jonas Brothers?

Dr Emmett Brown

You REALLY don't want to know

Gary Carter

Dr Emmett Brown wrote:

You REALLY don't want to know

hahahaha agreed

he's very lucky he lives in england

there like the backstreet boys but with instruments and they have this squeaky clean evangelical christian image.


now i need to get drunk and listen to some slayer to get me to stop thinking bout that stupid band. god i hate boybands, thank you beatles.

Mrs.Vedder78

Dr Emmett Brown wrote:

The big difference between PJ and KoL sets is that PJ have 9 studio albums + dozens of b-sides to call upon, plus the covers they do, while Kings of Leon have 4 albums and not many b-sides (a lot of their singles contain live versions of existing songs). KoL simply don't have the amount of material to call on to allow them to massively vary their sets.

I totally love the Kings and glad I got to see them this year here in Miami and going again to see them in ACL and flying up to Atlanta to see them the week after .. did I mention I really really love them? ....anyways...

While obviously they dont have as much material as Pearl Jam or as many B-sides and they don't play covers, I think they could probably change the setlist a little tiny bit though, they do have 4 albums. The setlist is the same every night, they've been throwing some of their old stuff at the last few concerts in Europe, such as Trani and Red Morning Light (I hope they keep Red Morning Light in the setlist as that is my fav from Y&YM).
I think they could change it up a bit though, but sometimes I think that I'm just spoiled by Pearl Jam and that not every band has such a diverse setlist every night and since that's what I have been used to with PJ I tend to expect other bands to do the same.

Mrs.Vedder78

ilockyer wrote:

Who/what are the Jonas Brothers?

Yer not missing anything..... (KOL defo not anything like Jonas Brother though)

Mrs.Vedder78

metsfan wrote:

also WTF is up with all this jonas bro talk on here as of late.

it's called many of us are parents of tweens and hear about them more often that we would like to :S

(disagree with your KOL comment though :P , agree with your MMJ comment, those guys are just plain awesome)

davidtrios

what has KOL done lately? dittly squat