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bigbadbillbigbadbill Posts: 1,758
edited July 2009 in The Porch
At first when I found out there were only 11 songs on Backspacer (36 minutes) I was a bit let down, only because I've grown accustomed to PJ having 13+ song albums. But after awhile the thought of 11 concise songs (ala Ten) doesn't seem that bad. If you were to strip the other albums of the non-songs (fillers), Vitalogy would have 10 songs, No Code would have 12 or 11, Yield 11, BInaural 12, Riot Act 14, S/T (Avocado) 12.
Fillers (in my opinion) from the albums:
Ten - none
Vs. - none
Vitalogy - pry, to, bugs, aye davanita, stupid mop
No Code - lukin (maybe), i'm open
Yield - *, push me, pull me
Binaural - soon forget
Riot Act - arc
Avocado - wasted reprise
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Push Me Pull Me?

    Wasted Reprise?

    Are you insane!!!

    Wasted Reprise totally ties the album together.
  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    hey as long as it is as good the rest, who cares..
    plus, I heard that there was going to be another cd out soon afterwards
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  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    i think you're being a little too liberal with your application of the term "filler."

    wasted reprise?
    lukin?
    I'm Open?
    soon forget?
    push me, pull me?

    I wouldn't think to call these fillers.
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  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    bigbadbill wrote:
    At first when I found out there were only 11 songs on Backspacer (36 minutes) I was a bit let down, only because I've grown accustomed to PJ having 13+ song albums. But after awhile the thought of 11 concise songs (ala Ten) doesn't seem that bad. If you were to strip the other albums of the non-songs (fillers), Vitalogy would have 10 songs, No Code would have 12 or 11, Yield 11, BInaural 12, Riot Act 14, S/T (Avocado) 12.
    Fillers (in my opinion) from the albums:
    Ten - none
    Vs. - none
    Vitalogy - pry, to, bugs, aye davanita, stupid mop
    No Code - lukin (maybe), i'm open
    Yield - *, push me, pull me
    Binaural - soon forget
    Riot Act - arc
    Avocado - wasted reprise
    dude, totally good point....i was kinda bummed about it too....but, you're right.....but, only if none of the tracks on Backspacer are filler?!?!.....oh, and agree to disagree and all, but lukin, push me pull me, and soon forget are all good tracks....just my opinion though?!?!......thanks.....riCo
  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    long red wrote:
    i think you're being a little too liberal with your application of the term "filler."

    wasted reprise?
    lukin?
    I'm Open?
    soon forget?
    push me, pull me?

    I wouldn't think to call these fillers.
    i just read your reply after posting mine, i totally agree with you (re:my reply).....riCo
  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    crazygeo wrote:
    hey as long as it is as good the rest, who cares..
    plus, I heard that there was going to be another cd out soon afterwards
    like an ep of b-sides?!...NICE!.....where did you read ("hear") that?!
  • PJ Fan est. 1990PJ Fan est. 1990 Posts: 1,788
    well PJ learned from the best...i mean the Beatles' White Album is a prime example...if it weren't for songs like Wild Honey Pie and Piggies, the album wouldn't be the same
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    edited July 2009
    riCotokYo wrote:
    crazygeo wrote:
    hey as long as it is as good the rest, who cares..
    plus, I heard that there was going to be another cd out soon afterwards
    like an ep of b-sides?!...NICE!.....where did you read ("hear") that?!

    Mike mentioned it in an interview. can't remember which one. look in the sticky titled "ECHOES" on The Porch. Kat archived all of the radio interviews.

    EDIT: here's the link
    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=104752
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Rubber Soul is only 36 minutes long.

    I don't think short albums are a bad thing.
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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    It depends on the album, really. Some songs just don't "fit" and are left out.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,542
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Rubber Soul is only 36 minutes long.

    I don't think short albums are a bad thing.

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  • mattcozmattcoz Chicago Posts: 2,220
    crazygeo wrote:
    plus, I heard that there was going to be another cd out soon afterwards
    Yeah, so we could have 17 new songs in a 6 month period, how can anyone complain about that? :D
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    bigbadbill wrote:
    At first when I found out there were only 11 songs on Backspacer (36 minutes) I was a bit let down, only because I've grown accustomed to PJ having 13+ song albums. But after awhile the thought of 11 concise songs (ala Ten) doesn't seem that bad. If you were to strip the other albums of the non-songs (fillers), Vitalogy would have 10 songs, No Code would have 12 or 11, Yield 11, BInaural 12, Riot Act 14, S/T (Avocado) 12.
    Fillers (in my opinion) from the albums:
    Ten - none
    Vs. - none
    Vitalogy - pry, to, bugs, aye davanita, stupid mop
    No Code - lukin (maybe), i'm open
    Yield - *, push me, pull me
    Binaural - soon forget
    Riot Act - arc
    Avocado - wasted reprise
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  • riCotokYoriCotokYo Posts: 159
    mfc2006 wrote:
    riCotokYo wrote:
    crazygeo wrote:
    hey as long as it is as good the rest, who cares..
    plus, I heard that there was going to be another cd out soon afterwards
    like an ep of b-sides?!...NICE!.....where did you read ("hear") that?!

    Mike mentioned it in an interview. can't remember which one. look in the sticky titled "ECHOES" on The Porch. Kat archived all of the radio interviews.

    EDIT: here's the link
    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=104752
    oh, cool! i just now saw this....im bad about not going back and looking, thanks for the link!
  • SM10080SM10080 Posts: 239
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Rubber Soul is only 36 minutes long.

    I don't think short albums are a bad thing.

    Best point I've seen so far.

    yeah, if it's good, it doesn't matter how long it is. However, it seems like the math might be wrong. 11 songs would mean about 3 mins per song. Not buying it based on past works.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    11 songs are easier to digest as a whole.. sometimes when you get to 13+ the album can start to drag on as a whole work..
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    this is assuming that all 11 songs are exactly that, and no fillers. Otherwise, that would be kinda lame.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I think there are some bands that pull off the "more is the better" idea, like Tool or Mars Volta who literally stuff every single second off every album with sounds. And albums like Lateralus and Frances the Mute are classics.

    But I also think there are great albums that are 30 minutes or even less. Every single Beatles album was very short, 30 minutes or so, barring of course the White Album.

    And more currently, I would say The Strokes Is This It, was like 28 minutes and is a classic, every single song is great.

    While we all would love 79 minutes and 59 seconds of Pearl jam on this album, sometimes less is more...
  • Mindless DrifterMindless Drifter Posts: 210
    i actually like the fillers tho...i mean, they make a collection of songs fit into an album.
    i like pearl jams creativity, id be let down... i suppose.. if they just did a straight forward 11 rock songs without goin abit crazy like in red dot
  • BMo-643BMo-643 Posts: 220
    You can like the "fillers" but it still doesn't take away that they are in a sense - fillers.

    Push me - pull me, bugs, soon forget...all great in their own weird way...but I agree with the original poster...they are still filler tracks for the albums "real" songs...

    I typically like my songs around 4 and a half to 5 minuets of rock...but I would rather them make the songs fit the length of the music if that makes sense.. don't make it longer just to be trying to make it longer..
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  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Rubber Soul is only 36 minutes long.

    I don't think short albums are a bad thing.

    Best point I've seen so far.

    and Let It Be is only 35:13 ;)

    actually, im pretty sure 6 or so of the Beatles records were under 40 minutes long.

    i'm not worried, its going to be a great 36 minutes !
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