He's batting 20 points higher than his career average.
He's slugging a whopping 200 points better than his career average.
His OPS is also 200 points higher than his career average.
He has 25 HR in 71 games. He's only hit more than 25 one other time in his career.
He's never been an all star before this year.
The only other players to start dominating and having career years at the age of 37: Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
These are the facts.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
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so he's on roids because none of you haters have heard of him until this season? He was the most consistent offensive producer on the mariners for quite a while before going to the Phillies.
I think raul is having a great season, but you can't say Raul was the most consistent producer on the Mariners when Ichiro has averaged 225 hits and a .331 ave for the last 8 years.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
Yes I am aware of what being protected in a lineup means thanks for asking.
You seem like a smart guy so I'll just assume your contention is not that these absurd numbers are due to batting in front of Jayson Werth.
He's batting 20 points higher than his career average.
He's slugging a whopping 200 points better than his career average.
His OPS is also 200 points higher than his career average.
He has 25 HR in 71 games. He's only hit more than 25 one other time in his career.
He's never been an all star before this year.
The only other players to start dominating and having career years at the age of 37: Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
These are the facts.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
That's not really true. For most of the year, Raul has batted 6th with Pedro Feliz batting behind him and recently he's batted 5th with Werth behind him. Last year, he batted 3rd in the order with Beltre behind him. I can argue that Werth is betting than Beltre, but Beltre is more of a threat than Feliz.
Now if Raul was batting 3rd or 4th in the order with Utley and Howard on either side, the protection argument holds more water.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
Yes I am aware of what being protected in a lineup means thanks for asking.
You seem like a smart guy so I'll just assume your contention is not that these absurd numbers are due to batting in front of Jayson Werth.
you must be a Mets fan . . . otherwise you would know that Werth is no chump and will hurt you with his bat.
Actually, the first part of the season Ibanez batted third...behind Utley and in front of Howard. Then Cholly shifted the order and he batted behind Howard and before Werth. Werth has been on fire all year so he's still been "protected." There's only a handful of games where he has batted with Feliz behind them and most of those were because someone was getting a rest in front and Cholly moved Werth. He played a bunch of games with Howard in front and Rollins behind him during Jimmy's slump...
The "protection" argument stands up more times than not...
I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
Yes I am aware of what being protected in a lineup means thanks for asking.
You seem like a smart guy so I'll just assume your contention is not that these absurd numbers are due to batting in front of Jayson Werth.
you must be a Mets fan . . . otherwise you would know that Werth is no chump and will hurt you with his bat.
It's someone who knows very little about Baseball in 2009...even the Mets fans know Werth has a bat...they may not admit it, but they know it...
I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.
Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
Yes I am aware of what being protected in a lineup means thanks for asking.
You seem like a smart guy so I'll just assume your contention is not that these absurd numbers are due to batting in front of Jayson Werth.
you must be a Mets fan . . . otherwise you would know that Werth is no chump and will hurt you with his bat.
A little dense I see.
I never said Jayson Werth doesn't have a bat. He's a very nice hitter he's just not an MVP caliber player like the poster above said was "protecting" Ibanez. Having Werth, Feliz and Ruiz as the guys batting directly behind you is not like having Utley, Howard and Rollins batting behind you.
But it is like having Howard, Utley or Rollins batting behind you...maybe not by name, but look at Werth's numbers...21 HRs - 62 RBI - .271 AVG with a .381 OBP.
I never said Jayson Werth doesn't have a bat. He's a very nice hitter he's just not an MVP caliber player like the poster above said was "protecting" Ibanez. Having Werth, Feliz and Ruiz as the guys batting directly behind you is not like having Utley, Howard and Rollins batting behind you.
Do you understand now?
just a second there professor. a player doesn't have to be a former MVP to wield a nasty toothpick. Werth is part of the Phillies lethal batting order. Howard and and Utley are a different caliber of player yes. But having Werth bat behind Ibanez is not something pitchers enjoy and should not be taken lightly, he is an all star caliber player (this season)
I never said Jayson Werth doesn't have a bat. He's a very nice hitter he's just not an MVP caliber player like the poster above said was "protecting" Ibanez. Having Werth, Feliz and Ruiz as the guys batting directly behind you is not like having Utley, Howard and Rollins batting behind you.
Do you understand now?
just a second there professor. a player doesn't have to be a former MVP to wield a nasty toothpick. Werth is part of the Phillies lethal batting order. Howard and and Utley are a different caliber of player yes. But having Werth bat behind Ibanez is not something pitchers enjoy and should not be taken lightly, he is an all star caliber player (this season)
Right. The point was that although Werth is a nice player and good hitter who pitchers don't necessarily want to face, having him "protect" you in the batting order does not wield numbers of Ibanez's caliber. Werth is decent protection for sure, but his protection is in no way the biggest source of Ibanez's ourburst.
To all you morons saying Raul is on steroids: it's called switching to the national leauge and not playing in safeco. He has had good power numers in the past and overall, he is just a late bloomer.... He is also the same size.... He didn't grow another neck
a late bloomer? hysterical.
poor mets fans...if my team was in the shape the mets are in I'd be bitter too
Actually, the first part of the season Ibanez batted third...behind Utley and in front of Howard. Then Cholly shifted the order and he batted behind Howard and before Werth. Werth has been on fire all year so he's still been "protected." There's only a handful of games where he has batted with Feliz behind them and most of those were because someone was getting a rest in front and Cholly moved Werth. He played a bunch of games with Howard in front and Rollins behind him during Jimmy's slump...
The "protection" argument stands up more times than not...
I don't think ibanez has hit third at all this year. not sure where you got that from
and the protection stuff is nonsense. who does pujols have hitting behind him? and who did howard have hitting behind him during his MVP season (burrell, who hit .210 that year). that protection crap means nothing.
and as a phils fan, I don't care if ibanez is on roids (for the record I don't think he is)...just keep producing and don't get caught
To all you morons saying Raul is on steroids: it's called switching to the national leauge and not playing in safeco. He has had good power numers in the past and overall, he is just a late bloomer.... He is also the same size.... He didn't grow another neck
a late bloomer? hysterical.
poor mets fans...if my team was in the shape the mets are in I'd be bitter too
poor phillies fans... if my best hitter was on steroids i'd turn a blind eye and make silly excuses like "he's a late bloomer."
poor mets fans...if my team was in the shape the mets are in I'd be bitter too[/quote]
poor phillies fans... if my best hitter was on steroids i'd turn a blind eye and make silly excuses like "he's a late bloomer."[/quote]
I wonder if Eddie would approve of his music being used for a roid head. Now Derek Jeter, thats another story
Yeah, it's not like Raul was ever on the DL or has had some groin problems this year. Nope, not at all. Has been hitting .300 consistently since 2001. Yeah, toooootal roid head.
people said that bout a-rod and look at what happened to him. not saying he uses them by no means.
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Does anyone really give a shit about steroids anymore? I mean really, HOFer after HOFer have been outed and people here are arguing about Raul Ibanez. Steroids were part of the game for about a decade and now players are tested. While I have no problem with what the blogger wrote, the fact of the matter is that Raul is tested on a regular basis, so as long as he does not test positive he is clean in my book.
Does anyone really give a shit about steroids anymore? I mean really, HOFer after HOFer have been outed and people here are arguing about Raul Ibanez. Steroids were part of the game for about a decade and now players are tested. While I have no problem with what the blogger wrote, the fact of the matter is that Raul is tested on a regular basis, so as long as he does not test positive he is clean in my book.
i give a shit bout players still using roids and i'm sure players who never use them in the game still care. sadly selig and fehr knew bout it every since the early 90's and did nothing bout it till a former steroid user and the gov't got on them. funny how a player who was blackballed by the league basically brought it down.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Does anyone really give a shit about steroids anymore? I mean really, HOFer after HOFer have been outed and people here are arguing about Raul Ibanez. Steroids were part of the game for about a decade and now players are tested. While I have no problem with what the blogger wrote, the fact of the matter is that Raul is tested on a regular basis, so as long as he does not test positive he is clean in my book.
i give a shit bout players still using roids and i'm sure players who never use them in the game still care. sadly selig and fehr knew bout it every since the early 90's and did nothing bout it till a former steroid user and the gov't got on them. funny how a player who was blackballed by the league basically brought it down.
Do I have less respect for players that have been caught? Of course, but it is over. The period happened and there is nothing anyone can do to change it. There is testing in place now and they have cleaned up their act.
In all honesty, after the strike baseball needed the home run surge.
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Do you know what it means to be "protected" in your lineup? You do realize that Ibanez had NO protection whatsoever in Seattle? And now he has a couple former MVP's in the Phils lineup to protect him?
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PSU-5/3/03
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I think raul is having a great season, but you can't say Raul was the most consistent producer on the Mariners when Ichiro has averaged 225 hits and a .331 ave for the last 8 years.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
You seem like a smart guy so I'll just assume your contention is not that these absurd numbers are due to batting in front of Jayson Werth.
It's obvious.
That's not really true. For most of the year, Raul has batted 6th with Pedro Feliz batting behind him and recently he's batted 5th with Werth behind him. Last year, he batted 3rd in the order with Beltre behind him. I can argue that Werth is betting than Beltre, but Beltre is more of a threat than Feliz.
Now if Raul was batting 3rd or 4th in the order with Utley and Howard on either side, the protection argument holds more water.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
you must be a Mets fan . . . otherwise you would know that Werth is no chump and will hurt you with his bat.
The "protection" argument stands up more times than not...
It's someone who knows very little about Baseball in 2009...even the Mets fans know Werth has a bat...they may not admit it, but they know it...
I never said Jayson Werth doesn't have a bat. He's a very nice hitter he's just not an MVP caliber player like the poster above said was "protecting" Ibanez. Having Werth, Feliz and Ruiz as the guys batting directly behind you is not like having Utley, Howard and Rollins batting behind you.
Do you understand now?
Utey...21 HRs - 67 RBI - .419 OBP - .303 AVG.
Howard...24 HRs - 70 RBI - .347 OBP - .258 AVG.
Werth's numbers can compete...
just a second there professor. a player doesn't have to be a former MVP to wield a nasty toothpick. Werth is part of the Phillies lethal batting order. Howard and and Utley are a different caliber of player yes. But having Werth bat behind Ibanez is not something pitchers enjoy and should not be taken lightly, he is an all star caliber player (this season)
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poor mets fans...if my team was in the shape the mets are in I'd be bitter too
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I don't think ibanez has hit third at all this year. not sure where you got that from
and the protection stuff is nonsense. who does pujols have hitting behind him? and who did howard have hitting behind him during his MVP season (burrell, who hit .210 that year). that protection crap means nothing.
and as a phils fan, I don't care if ibanez is on roids (for the record I don't think he is)...just keep producing and don't get caught
poor phillies fans... if my best hitter was on steroids i'd turn a blind eye and make silly excuses like "he's a late bloomer."[/quote]
now utley is on roids too? wow, you are bitter
We are a sad lot.....of World Fuckin' Champions!
That is all.
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Do I have less respect for players that have been caught? Of course, but it is over. The period happened and there is nothing anyone can do to change it. There is testing in place now and they have cleaned up their act.
In all honesty, after the strike baseball needed the home run surge.
now utley is on roids too? wow, you are bitter[/quote]
I see what you did there.