Is it okay to criticize Obama yet?
Lucca Brazzi
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I was very proud to have lived in an era that saw the election of the first black President of the United States. With that being said I am growing very disappointed in the President so far.
I've seen the massive amount of flaming done when anyone dares to swim against the liberal stream so I am asking to be alerted when it becomes okay to reveal the ridiculousness and danger that the Obama administration is becoming.
North Korea is developing nukes, Iran is spinning out of control, over 2 trillion in wasted money, a health care plan that far more than most do not want. Coupled with the fact that this guy is calling White Sox players when he should be calling world leaders. And that he seems to be trying to be Captain Media man more than the leader of the free world.
If Clinton's errors led to 9/11 and Bush and Cheney led us to Iraq, where is Obama going to take us? I'm really not sure but the Mayan's are looking more prophetic everyday.
I've seen the massive amount of flaming done when anyone dares to swim against the liberal stream so I am asking to be alerted when it becomes okay to reveal the ridiculousness and danger that the Obama administration is becoming.
North Korea is developing nukes, Iran is spinning out of control, over 2 trillion in wasted money, a health care plan that far more than most do not want. Coupled with the fact that this guy is calling White Sox players when he should be calling world leaders. And that he seems to be trying to be Captain Media man more than the leader of the free world.
If Clinton's errors led to 9/11 and Bush and Cheney led us to Iraq, where is Obama going to take us? I'm really not sure but the Mayan's are looking more prophetic everyday.
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Bush and Cheney also led us to the biggest economic collapse since the great depression.
As to Obama, health care reform is favored by most Americans, and he hasn't enacted anything on that front yet. Everyone's still arguing about the best way to do it. He's stepped things down in Iraq and stepped things up in Afghanistan. He's ignoring North Korea because he knows they're just trying to get attention and validation to compensate for the fact that the whole world knows they're irrelevant and their leader is nuts. I'm not sure what else you want him to do? Invade like Bush? That worked well in Iraq.
That said, his economic plans are by and large, piles of shit. There were a few token regulations thrown at the banks and credit companies, but overall the stimulus plan seems like a huge waste. Cap and trade is all heart and no substance.
Overall, I'd say the jury's out. He seems to be doing ok foreign policy-wise. He's not stellar, but he hasn't fucked anything up really and that's a nice change of pace. On the homefront, he needs a lot of work and he needs to be held to his promise not to rush through a bunch of shit. That's how we got the patriot act, tarp, and the stimulus. I'm glad to hear he's stepped off on health care. It's too important to screw up and it needs time to really produce anything worthwhile. I'm not blown away, but he's a long way from the doomsayers that think he's ruining the country. He's helping a wounded country limp along... it remains to be seen if he'll get it back on its feet or if it'll just collapse.
indeed.
you can do and say what you want. i may or may not agree...but it certainly shouldn't/wouldn't stop you from speaking as you wish.
Let's just breathe...
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With that being said I have heard a lot of responses about how President Obama inherited problems. And I agree that he did, so has every President. My question is what has he done? Other than going on every television show he can? I know it has only been 100 days, so I'm not expecting much. But is there anything substantially positive he has done since taking office?
I think if you look at things objectively... and not through the warped glasses of American partisan politics... you should be just fine.
Objectively...
The Economic Crisis did not begin on January 20th. Look at the timetable and find the reasons for the current situation to get a better grasp on what we are dealing with, here. Also, with the collapse of Lehmann Brothers (after the fall of IndyMac and Bear-Sterns)... what were we supposed to do? Let the rest of the banking and financial systems crash into the sea? What would have been the most likely outcome of that?
and remember, it was under the Bush Administration that the initial bail-out came... which was the right thing to do.
North Korea has been a kook-fest for decades... so has Iran. But, in order to avoid military conflicts, which we can ill-afford, we should at least try to talk to them. We had an open dialogue with the Soviet Union for the entirety of the Cold War. It may have helped to eliminate mis-interpreted actions on one side or the other.
And the 'Wasted Trillions'? What wasted Trillions? That bail out money is a loan to keep those institutions solvent. It is like when your sister and brother-in-law get in a financial bind and you give them 10 grand so they don't get tossed into the street. Does that mean you now OWN your sister and brother-in-law? No... they are supposed to pay you back... it may take some time, but, they should pay you back.
As for Clinton errors regarding al Qaeda... which, yes, he holds some responsibility... but, the real cause was Reagan. He created Al Qaeda, except he called them 'Freedom Fighters' back then. The mujahadin morphed into the Taliban and bin Laden and the 'Freedom Fighters' became al Qaeda. So, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr. all contributed to the forming of al Qaeda... althongh none of them are responsible for the attacks of september 11th, 2001. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Usama bin Laden.
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So, if you criticize Obama... do so on what he is responsible... not for what he has inherited.
Me... personally... I think he may be trying to move too quickly on this thing. I believe the Health Care Bill needs to move through the Legislative process... which will result in debate and compromise. It may (or may not be) the case where President Obama is pushing Congress because he knows if he doesn't.. Congress will do what Congress does best... NOTHING. But, i don't know.
All i know is that you only get to pick two of the following... good, cheap, fast. Fast and cheap means it isn't going to be good... fast and good means it isn't going to be cheap. i would opt for the good and cheap... which means it ain't going to be done fast.
If you are against it... what would you like to see instead? Or do you think there is absolutely nothing wrong with the system? All i know is this... I know, i am one pink slip away from having no health care. And so are a lot of Americans.
Hail, Hail!!!
Thanx. I guess you best bet is to check several sources while maintaining an understanding of WHERE they are coming from... New York Times, left... Rupert Murdoch (FOX), right.
The WORST Source? Cable Television.
BUT... you can find out the things they are CLAIMING... both sides, Hannity and Obermann... Coulter and Maddow... and check their commentary. In many cases, those statements they tend to focus on are taken out of context in order to fit their specific agenda. What is their agenda? RATINGS. Only the dumbest amongst us will take what someone on T.V. is saying is the truth... because they a typically basing it soley on the fact that they are on T.V. the days of Walter Cronkite have left us years ago... newsrooms are in the business of making money, not trying to find the truth.
Best reference for Presidential and Vice Presidental statements... the source. whitehouse.gov. They HAVE to print the entire transcripts of speeches. Read the transcripts, instead of listening to the soundbites and decide for yourself.
Hail, Hail!!!
i haven't had directv for a few years but they had a World News channel that had programs from different countries (in english) like Japan, the UK, Germany.....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
On a smaller note, his defense of that Harvard professor who was arrested was a really ill-thought-out move and I'm shocked he hasn't gotten more flack for that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
"dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority" - Benjamin Franklin
“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.” - Thomas Jefferson
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
but its really not his fault what's the point
maybe if he had the balance in his hands but our Presidents are figureheads
I guess if you don't like his suit you could criticize
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You could criticize him for not exposing the people he serves as a figurehead for. If this grand conspiracy does in fact exist, how hard would it be for the president to expose it? To actually free himself from it, as well as the people. Was JFK trying to do that with this speech?
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So if we are to say this exists then of course Obama was hand picked groomed to lead the American people to the ultimate goal of the most powerful. His charisma HOPEFULLY was overrated.
and its just all so sad
I happen to think Obama's probably right about the comments he made, but you are also right that he probably should have refrained from commenting on it. Nonetheless, I have trouble sympathizing with the police perspective though, especially after I read one comment by a cop in LA saying people shouldn't judge and then pointing to Rodney King as an example... you're going to use Rodney King as your example of why we should give police the benefit of the doubt? How isolated from reality are you?
Cops tend to have a sort of circle the wagons approach to any criticism. To an extent, I don't blame them because they have a job that is difficult beyond anything I can imagine. But on the flipside, protecting scumbags like the Rodney King officers or refusing to acknowledge that maybe this Gates cop used poor judgment in arresting Gates rather than just leaving after he ascertained that Gates lived there doesn't really help their cause much.
I'm one of the last to sympathize with police, but when you read the accounts of what happened in that incident, it's pretty clear that the police had to arrest him. He was completely belligerant and aggressive toward them. Maybe the accounts were fabricated, but you can't act the way he is reported to have acted and not be arrested.
And in any case I think we agree that it was too early for Obama to say on national television that the police "acted stupidly".
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
GOOD CALL, both of you
mayans....?
seriously, I love those who think Obama is overexposed...he's the POTUS... in case you didn't know, there's lots of shit happening right now...
I'd be willing to bet if he pulled a bushy and when AWOL like bush did the last few months of office you'd be all upset asking "where's Obama, why isn't fixing anything? blah blah blah..."