Obama and the Fixer?

High Fidelity 2000

I don't think so. But then again, Obama IS trying to take something that's broke and put a little fixin' on it.

(I want to quote that gem of a line as often as possible).

usamamasan1

FBO

fortyshades

fortyshades wrote:

world wrote:

Mmmm, without starting a too big of a political debate, I do think this is somewhat of an harsh statement. From a person outside the United States I can tell you - and I also think that the world perceives it like this - that there is a HUGE difference between Bush and Obama. I also think that the domestic policies are way different. So I'm not sure how this tag-team idea is established or how this image is created within the borders of the United States. I for one see a def change in direction regarding politics.

But like I said; I do not want to start a political debate.

For me, I don't think that Fixer has anything to do with Obama. It's funny tho however that after two anti-Bush albums, we (the fans) link every song of PJ now with the White House. That can't be their attention...

Well, Obama's highest approval rating inside the US was 69%, now its at 49% and dropping.

The stimulas bill is mostly going to waste. I did work at a totally rich suburb of Chicago, and they bought a new Zamboni(thing that resurfaces the ice between hockey periods) that cost over $100,000 with stimulas money. Homes there cost well over $1 million, they should pay for their own Zambonis.

We all made the choice to stop buying GM and Chrysler cars, so he forced us to buy the companies instead.

He thinks he has one giant credit card and the tab is now at $12 trillion. We cant spend our way out of dept, he just doesnt get it. Bush's bailouts and multiple stimulas bills didnt work, why does Obama's think that his will work?

Why this *could* work? My answer: Keynes... (Like you probably know; an economist that revolutionized and changed economical theory.)

When the economy is in recess, it's up to the government to stimulate spending and not to decrease spending. It's also therefor the responsibilty of the government to safe as many jobs possible, but still let thye market do its work. For if you decide to decrease spending this will have devestating effects on macro level economics in the long run... So it's therefor time for long term investments, even if the deficit will get higher, and I think that Obama is doing his best to create long term investment and look at the future. Are all his decisions correct? Maybe not, but they are at least a lot more grounded than the decisions Bush made. I know we have a short memory, but this guy started a war on wrong pretences, that threw the whole Western world in an economic crisis.

Furthermore, and this is what bothers me the most - and is alligned with the approvel rating - people want a quick fix. They truly think that eights years of political devestation can be fixed in six months. Or eight months. Or nine months. Or even four years. Here is a reality check: political policies doesn't have an effect on the economy (or international politics) for the first six months or even the first year the policies are implemented. It will take at least six months, probably more, to see some improvement. The 12 trillion debt is therefore not only caused by Obama, it's also a left over of the economical policies of Bush... Anyone denying that has no view of the policies he pushed through Congress before he left office or how stupid his policies were... (Based on the neo conservative economical theories created in the eigthies in the Reagan area, called Neo-Conservatism. These theories do now no longer apply in this economic crisis.)

Bush truly left a country in devestation. Shit, he left the world in devestation; he divided the world and did not make the United States or the international political climate safer. Anyone stating the opposite, has in my opinion blinders on.

In short: politics is a slow process, not a quick one... Our democracy on the other hand, lives for quick answers. There are no quick and simple answers here. Obama is standing in front of a difficult and impossible job that may cost his political career. But hell he at least tried and in my view he at least tried it the right way. But like all people he is viable. But to therefore compare him to Bush? :roll:

Enough, I didn't want to discuss politics... I want to discuss Pearl Jam!

world

Are you serious, have you ever read the Constitution?

"When the economy is in recess, it's up to the government to stimulate spending and not to decrease spending. It's also therefore the responsibility of the government to safe as many jobs possible, but still let they market do its work."

It’s not up to the government to stimulate ANYTHING. It’s not the responsibility of the government to save ANY jobs.

The government did do an excellent job stimulating the housing market, they gave huge incentives in the form of lower interest rates to banks so they could lend to poor and dumb people. Look what that gave us, BOOM and BUST. Just genius.

Save jobs??? The retarded F-22 Raptor that doesn’t work, is never used, and cost a fortune was just cancelled by congress. BUT, only by a 58-40 vote!!!! The reason, the plane's parts are built in 40 different states. That’s just dumb. An expensive jet that is crap got 40 votes to "save jobs". It’s the role of private business to create and save jobs, not government. The government sucks at it. They need to drastically lower government spending and give the money back to the people. We can create jobs and spend money 1,000,000x more efficient then Bush/Obama can.

RiotAct10

I think it is kind of funny how when the title of The Fixer came out, a lot of people on this board assumed it was about Obama. When I hear that song, I do not think it has anything at all to do with Obama. Like you can stretch it, and make it about Obama I guess, but that would be an insanely weird song to sing about a President, especially the lyrics in the bridge.

Surf Life

I think it's funny how people believe that one man alone is responsible for repairing 8 years of Bush within 6 months. Most of the stimulus money hasn't even been handed out yet, but it's supposed to have somehow failed. How can it have failed if we haven't even really begun yet?

The Fixer is not about Obama.

Jeanwah

world wrote:

Yeah, the thought of Obama being "The Fixer" is hilarious.

So far, it seems as though Bush kicked American in the nuts. He then slapped Obama a high five and Obama is now kicking American when its on the ground trying to recover from Bush's nut shot

Bush/Obama Tag-Team Champions

Please. I'm no Obama lover, but anyone knows that there's a machine in charge other than the sole President which works things in this country. So regardless of who the fool was to take office after Bush, he/she would have screwed up much the same in the eyes of the public. Anyone who steps foot into that position is doomed from the start, because everyone expects miracles to happen.

Oh, and the Fixer isn't about Obama. Although, I do believe Eddie's mood is highlighted by the switch in political power. As long as Bush and the Republicans are out of office, I can see how it may make someone happy. At least for a little while.

Gmoney

this thread is funny.

fortyshades

world wrote:

Are you serious, have you ever read the Constitution?

"When the economy is in recess, it's up to the government to stimulate spending and not to decrease spending. It's also therefore the responsibility of the government to safe as many jobs possible, but still let they market do its work."

It’s not up to the government to stimulate ANYTHING. It’s not the responsibility of the government to save ANY jobs.

The government did do an excellent job stimulating the housing market, they gave huge incentives in the form of lower interest rates to banks so they could lend to poor and dumb people. Look what that gave us, BOOM and BUST. Just genius.

Save jobs??? The retarded F-22 Raptor that doesn’t work, is never used, and cost a fortune was just cancelled by congress. BUT, only by a 58-40 vote!!!! The reason, the plane's parts are built in 40 different states. That’s just dumb. An expensive jet that is crap got 40 votes to "save jobs". It’s the role of private business to create and save jobs, not government. The government sucks at it. They need to drastically lower government spending and give the money back to the people. We can create jobs and spend money 1,000,000x more efficient then Bush/Obama can.

Orwell (nice nick btw; linked to 1984?). Before we start smacking the constitution around or even the Bill of Rights, I think you really mistook my meaning. All I was trying to point out is that the whole housing market debacle is IMO caused by neo conservative economic theory. Every government in the world influences the spending through interest rates, taxes, governmental investments etc. The US is no exception. The free market principle is a theoretical principle; there are taxes, trade laws, embargos, interest rates etc. A pure free market doesn't exist and is in the practice a myth. You could even argue that the housing market collapsed because there was *no* interference. There was no red flag even tho all the signs were on the wall. Only when Bush wanted to save his rich buddies, thriving on shark loans, did he interfere. Keep in mind when the economic crisis took place and who was in the Oval Office.

Either way, this could be a long theoretical debate and you and I are obiouvsly standing on two seperate sides on the spectrum. (And thats ok. I even edited this post a few times, for I wanted to take the sharp edges off. For I really do NOT want to start a political debate, but damn it so interesting to exchange opinions. ) One comment tho: for government to invest in long term investment does not immidiatly make it a communist state or any of that nonsense. (Keynes wasn't a communist.) It also doesn't go against the constitution. Sometimes doing nothing is the worse investment of all... Other times investments take a long time to show their fruits.

I agree with the posters here, to get back on the topic; The Fixer has IMO nothing to do with Obama. (I mentioned this before.) It has to do with internalized politics. Where you are as a person, where you stand in life and how you see your future. For some reason, after RA and ST, people tend to connect every song with the White House. I do think that PJ has other reflections and concerns. These songs so far seem more introspective.

slightofjeff

Surf Life wrote:

I think it's funny how people believe that one man alone is responsible for repairing 8 years of Bush within 6 months. Most of the stimulus money hasn't even been handed out yet, but it's supposed to have somehow failed. How can it have failed if we haven't even really begun yet?

The Fixer is not about Obama.

The Fixer is me. It is you. It is everybody. Or, rather, it could and should be everybody. That's kind of the point of the song.

Surf Life

slightofjeff wrote:

Surf Life wrote:

I think it's funny how people believe that one man alone is responsible for repairing 8 years of Bush within 6 months. Most of the stimulus money hasn't even been handed out yet, but it's supposed to have somehow failed. How can it have failed if we haven't even really begun yet?

The Fixer is not about Obama.

The Fixer is me. It is you. It is everybody. Or, rather, it could and should be everybody. That's kind of the point of the song.

I believe you have a very wise view.

Austicman

I don't think it's about Obama. But I do think it's got something to do with the tide changing politically in the US. After 8 years of Bush the people of America wanted chage and the country fixed. No so much about the candidate and more about the mood of the people.

world

fortyshades wrote:

world wrote:

Are you serious, have you ever read the Constitution?

"When the economy is in recess, it's up to the government to stimulate spending and not to decrease spending. It's also therefore the responsibility of the government to safe as many jobs possible, but still let they market do its work."

It’s not up to the government to stimulate ANYTHING. It’s not the responsibility of the government to save ANY jobs.

The government did do an excellent job stimulating the housing market, they gave huge incentives in the form of lower interest rates to banks so they could lend to poor and dumb people. Look what that gave us, BOOM and BUST. Just genius.

Save jobs??? The retarded F-22 Raptor that doesn’t work, is never used, and cost a fortune was just cancelled by congress. BUT, only by a 58-40 vote!!!! The reason, the plane's parts are built in 40 different states. That’s just dumb. An expensive jet that is crap got 40 votes to "save jobs". It’s the role of private business to create and save jobs, not government. The government sucks at it. They need to drastically lower government spending and give the money back to the people. We can create jobs and spend money 1,000,000x more efficient then Bush/Obama can.

Orwell (nice nick btw; linked to 1984?). Before we start smacking the constitution around or even the Bill of Rights, I think you really mistook my meaning. All I was trying to point out is that the whole housing market debacle is IMO caused by neo conservative economic theory. Every government in the world influences the spending through interest rates, taxes, governmental investments etc. The US is no exception. The free market principle is a theoretical principle; there are taxes, trade laws, embargos, interest rates etc. A pure free market doesn't exist and is in the practice a myth. You could even argue that the housing market collapsed because there was *no* interference. There was no red flag even tho all the signs were on the wall. Only when Bush wanted to save his rich buddies, thriving on shark loans, did he interfere. Keep in mind when the economic crisis took place and who was in the Oval Office.

Either way, this could be a long theoretical debate and you and I are obiouvsly standing on two seperate sides on the spectrum. (And thats ok. I even edited this post a few times, for I wanted to take the sharp edges off. For I really do NOT want to start a political debate, but damn it so interesting to exchange opinions. ) One comment tho: for government to invest in long term investment does not immidiatly make it a communist state or any of that nonsense. (Keynes wasn't a communist.) It also doesn't go against the constitution. Sometimes doing nothing is the worse investment of all... Other times investments take a long time to show their fruits.

I agree with the posters here, to get back on the topic; The Fixer has IMO nothing to do with Obama. (I mentioned this before.) It has to do with internalized politics. Where you are as a person, where you stand in life and how you see your future. For some reason, after RA and ST, people tend to connect every song with the White House. I do think that PJ has other reflections and concerns. These songs so far seem more introspective.

wow, very nice post, arguing any more wouldnt help anything. Enjoy Backspacer

fortyshades

world wrote:

wow, very nice post, arguing any more wouldnt help anything. Enjoy Backspacer

Yeah, that all said, you didn't answer my question tho ; is your nick related to 1984, Animal Farm etc???

world

fortyshades wrote:

world wrote:

wow, very nice post, arguing any more wouldnt help anything. Enjoy Backspacer

Yeah, that all said, you didn't answer my question tho ; is your nick related to 1984, Animal Farm etc???

Yeah, 1984, its eerily similar to Bush/Obama policies. I am a big Ron Paul fan, im sure you could of guessed that.

free markets and free minds

End the 2 stupid wars, legalize drugs and prostitution, let gays get married, and take away Congress's credit card.

fortyshades

world wrote:

fortyshades wrote:

world wrote:

wow, very nice post, arguing any more wouldnt help anything. Enjoy Backspacer

Yeah, that all said, you didn't answer my question tho ; is your nick related to 1984, Animal Farm etc???

Yeah, 1984, its eerily similar to Bush/Obama policies. I am a big Ron Paul fan, im sure you could of guessed that.

free markets and free minds

End the 2 stupid wars, legalize drugs and prostitution, let gays get married, and take away Congress's credit card.

Mmmm, I live in Amsterdam. Got all that

world

im going to go tell my wife to back her bags.

Black-12

world wrote:

Yeah, the thought of Obama being "The Fixer" is hilarious.

So far, it seems as though Bush kicked American in the nuts. He then slapped Obama a high five and Obama is now kicking American when its on the ground trying to recover from Bush's nut shot

Bush/Obama Tag-Team Champions

It's scary.....

thefin190

josevolution wrote:

I think you wanted this song to be about the president but just know realize that it's about family & loved ones a feel good song ......you're dissapointed in the fact that you can't bash Obama because of this song ....

I agree, I think it would let the haters bitch just more about Obama.

fortyshades

world wrote:

im going to go tell my wife to back her bags.

Well, you're always welcome to stay over in my home... We could talk politics