Obama's press conf.

WaveCameCrashin

So just as I expected we learned absolutely zilch last night about his healthcare plan. IMO it was the same rhetoric that we have been hearing since the elections.
And what about the last 2 questions ? :? They had nothing to do with health care.

jlew24asu

I learned a little bit while watching but I didnt take notes, i wish i did. I'm hoping I find a link of the talking points.

either way, the bill is not finalized so its hard to throw support, for or against.

and yea, not sure why they asked non healthcare questions.

soulsinging

I was watching the Tigers and missed it. Nobody even knows what the plan is yet and he's not going to be able to explain it in just a few minutes anyway, so I'll wait until there's something firm and read up on it before I decide where I stand on it. I'd probably have rather watched that than the choke job the Tigers pulled last night.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

I was watching the Tigers and missed it. Nobody even knows what the plan is yet and he's not going to be able to explain it in just a few minutes anyway, so I'll wait until there's something firm and read up on it before I decide where I stand on it. I'd probably have rather watched that than the choke job the Tigers pulled last night.

and my Sox won 4-3....bringin it back to 1 game out.


Obama touched on a few things I very much support. such as limiting the amount premiums can be raised and forcing insurance companies to not drop someone because of a medical condition. there were some others as well.

as far as cost, I liked that he is going to shuffle around 2/3rds of cost with money we already pay for in taxes....he mentioned stopping some subsidies to insurance companies. the rest, he mentioned, would be paid for not by higher % increase in taxes, but by closing some deduction loopholes when filing taxes. but only for the rich. but this is still in committee.

milarso

soulsinging wrote:

I was watching the Tigers and missed it. Nobody even knows what the plan is yet and he's not going to be able to explain it in just a few minutes anyway, so I'll wait until there's something firm and read up on it before I decide where I stand on it. I'd probably have rather watched that than the choke job the Tigers pulled last night.

I was at the game. I felt like a balloon that someone let all the air out of...

I agree with you about nobody knowing anything about the healthcare program, and the president not being able to explain it. But it's kind of scary to me that he wants to push it through so soon. This is important, and something has to change, I just hope they take their time with it and do it right.

jlew24asu

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform? :roll:

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform? :roll:

Sorry, jlew...the Redbirds were on last night and then choked.

jlew24asu

you're in luck.

here it is again for those who missed it... I guess that makes everyone

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/The-Pres ... ull-Video/

yahamita

jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform? :roll:

If it was on a little later, it would have given us West Coasters time enough to get off work and make it home in time..

jlew24asu

yahamita wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform? :roll:

If it was on a little later, it would have given us West Coasters time enough to get off work and make it home in time..

[url=ttp://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/The-Presidents-Press-Conference-Full-Video/]ttp://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/The-Presi ... ull-Video/[/url]

would love to know what you think about it

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

I was watching the Tigers and missed it. Nobody even knows what the plan is yet and he's not going to be able to explain it in just a few minutes anyway, so I'll wait until there's something firm and read up on it before I decide where I stand on it. I'd probably have rather watched that than the choke job the Tigers pulled last night.

and my Sox won 4-3....bringin it back to 1 game out.

Obama touched on a few things I very much support. such as limiting the amount premiums can be raised and forcing insurance companies to not drop someone because of a medical condition. there were some others as well.

as far as cost, I liked that he is going to shuffle around 2/3rds of cost with money we already pay for in taxes....he mentioned stopping some subsidies to insurance companies. the rest, he mentioned, would be paid for not by higher % increase in taxes, but by closing some deduction loopholes when filing taxes. but only for the rich. but this is still in committee.

I rather suspect this will not solve the problem. If they can't raise rates and can't drop people, they will drop the extent of coverage. You give them an inch and they will find a way to wiggle through it, because guaranteeing profit takes precedence over all other concerns. And you still have the problem of limiting patient choice of doctors, types of servies, etc. This still leaves the sick at the mercy of the whims of their insurers, whose chief interest is never going to be making sure those sick people get the services they need, it will be making sure they can make money off that sickness by limiting their options.

The Tigers had better learn how to hit a baseball with runners on if they hope to hold onto their lead in this division. It's pathetic. Looking forward to the series against the Sox at home though.

decides2dream

soulsinging wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

I was watching the Tigers and missed it. Nobody even knows what the plan is yet and he's not going to be able to explain it in just a few minutes anyway, so I'll wait until there's something firm and read up on it before I decide where I stand on it. I'd probably have rather watched that than the choke job the Tigers pulled last night.

and my Sox won 4-3....bringin it back to 1 game out.

Obama touched on a few things I very much support. such as limiting the amount premiums can be raised and forcing insurance companies to not drop someone because of a medical condition. there were some others as well.

as far as cost, I liked that he is going to shuffle around 2/3rds of cost with money we already pay for in taxes....he mentioned stopping some subsidies to insurance companies. the rest, he mentioned, would be paid for not by higher % increase in taxes, but by closing some deduction loopholes when filing taxes. but only for the rich. but this is still in committee.

I rather suspect this will not solve the problem. If they can't raise rates and can't drop people, they will drop the extent of coverage. You give them an inch and they will find a way to wiggle through it, because guaranteeing profit takes precedence over all other concerns. And you still have the problem of limiting patient choice of doctors, types of servies, etc. This still leaves the sick at the mercy of the whims of their insurers, whose chief interest is never going to be making sure those sick people get the services they need, it will be making sure they can make money off that sickness by limiting their options.



sorry to interrupt the sport talk.....but yes, excellent points. THAT is what it will, always, come down to. honestly, rightly so. insurance companies are not in business to be in service...they are in BUSINESS to make MONEY, to turn a profit. they have chosen a service industry in which to do so, simply b/c it is extremely PROFITABLE to do so. those stock dividends and all those CEO salaries need to get paid. no matter what, it comes out of our pockets or out of our options and health.


however, while i agree it won't work long-term...i think at the very least, some REFORM of our current system (in the hopes to pave the way for a NEW system) is an excellent start.

The Tigers had better learn how to hit a baseball with runners on if they hope to hold onto their lead in this division. It's pathetic. Looking forward to the series against the Sox at home though.

Gern Blansten

I heard as much government control as we would have under national health care....I mean honestly, how can the gov't require an insurance company to take someone who has cancer? The ins co could justify huge premiums that the person couldn't afford anyway....

we need a system where all are covered regardless of insurance....insurance is just an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy

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jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform? :roll:

I didn't watch because I was still at work. Plus, I knew I could always watch/read later.

WaveCameCrashin

jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform?

+1 I thought everyone would have been watching last night also given all the heated discussions and locked threads lately. :? But then again

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

so everyone around here claims to care about this issue, yet no one watched the presidents news conference on health care reform?

+1 I thought everyone would have been watching last night also given all the heated discussions and locked threads lately. :? But then again

When you work in politics...sometimes it is nice to shut it off and just enjoy a baseball game.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

When you work in politics...sometimes it is nice to shut it off and just enjoy a baseball game.

I just want to add that my comment wasn't directed at you buddy. I know you know your shit. it was more meant for all the healthcare experts on this board. last night was, IMO, his most important press conference yet.

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

When you work in politics...sometimes it is nice to shut it off and just enjoy a baseball game.

I just want to add that my comment wasn't directed at you buddy. I know you know your shit. it was more meant for all the healthcare experts on this board. last night was, IMO, his most important press conference yet.

I didn't take yours as directed at me. I wouldn't worry about that at all.

TriumphantAngel

jlew24asu wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

When you work in politics...sometimes it is nice to shut it off and just enjoy a baseball game.

I just want to add that my comment wasn't directed at you buddy. I know you know your shit. it was more meant for all the healthcare experts on this board. last night was, IMO, his most important press conference yet.

i don't see anyone on here professing to be a healthcare expert as you so sarcastically insinuate.

i do see people talking about their first hand experiences with the current system who are actually employed in the health care industry.

and, funnily enough, some of us that are in that profession, don't work nice little 9-5 jobs and are home to pick and choose what we may wish to watch on television everynight.

jlew24asu

TriumphantAngel wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

When you work in politics...sometimes it is nice to shut it off and just enjoy a baseball game.

I just want to add that my comment wasn't directed at you buddy. I know you know your shit. it was more meant for all the healthcare experts on this board. last night was, IMO, his most important press conference yet.

i don't see anyone on here professing to be a healthcare expert as you so sarcastically insinuate.

i do see people talking about their first hand experiences with the current system who are actually employed in the health care industry.

and, funnily enough, some of us that are in that profession, don't work nice little 9-5 jobs and are home to pick and choose what we may wish to watch on television everynight.

what video of the press conference has been up all day and now night. I would think those that worked in the industry would pay extra special attention to this, you know, since they are in the industry.

soulsinging

It's been tabled, so what's the rush?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_ ... e_overhaul

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TriumphantAngel wrote:

i don't see anyone on here professing to be a healthcare expert as you so sarcastically insinuate.

i do see people talking about their first hand experiences with the current system who are actually employed in the health care industry.

and, funnily enough, some of us that are in that profession, don't work nice little 9-5 jobs and are home to pick and choose what we may wish to watch on television everynight.

Amen!

WaveCameCrashin

Something else that is really getting old is that Obama needs to stop bringing up the past administration. We are all aware of the mess they left us with. It's been 7 months since he took office.He starting to sound like a broken record. This is now his problem.

soulsinging

prfctlefts wrote:

Something else that is really getting old is that Obama needs to stop bringing up the past administration. We are all aware of the mess they left us with. It's been 7 months since he took office.He starting to sound like a broken record. This is now his problem.

It was 9 months after Clinton had left office that 9/11 occurred, and Dubya placed all of the blame for that on the past administration. I think you get a year grace period before the mess becomes your fault because it takes that long for your policies to have any impact.