3% Tax on Toilet Paper & Toothpaste to Save the Environment!

DriftingByTheStorm

Feds Prepare To Tax Toilet Paper In Name Of Climate Change

another wonderful proposed tax in the name of saving the world.
before i get the obligatory flaming from the liberal peanut gallery,
it might behoove you to consider that when it comes down to it,
there is really NOTHING that relates to human life that could not be (MIS)construed to be "bad for the environment".

Under that suicidal "logic", we may as well revert right back to a straight poll tax, a tax on the human head itself, call ourselves cattle, moo for these fuckers, be branded, and march right off to the meat lot.

Understand also that a 3% tax put on at the MANUFACTURER level insures that EVERY user pays this tax regardless of whether their toothpaste really goes on to "kill the world" or instead perhaps ends up in some gray water system, a constructed wetland, a septic tank\leech field, or some other NON-detrimental end place of decomposition.

(as a side note, the government in MOST states, under pressure from federal codes i'm quite sure, has most of these "Grey water" systems held as strictly ILLEGAL on the grounds of environmental\human health itself. thus proving the idiocy and hypocrisy of a system which claims through taxes on you to be concerned with the environment, but as expressed in terms of the regulations allowing or prohibiting appropriate grassroots technologies [read: NON CENTRALIZED solutions] it is clearly NOT appropriately concerned and actually serves to prohibit people from taking proactive measures against environmental impacts.)

Ultimately all ANY of this alleged environmental taxing legislation ends up doing is putting a tax upon the people, and stifling the "personal economy". Because things like toilet paper and toothpaste are essential items (to most 1st world-ers anyhow) they, like oil, could be considered to have "inelastic demand", their consumption therefore and just like oil CAN NOT BE SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED BY PRICE INCREASES -- INCLUDING TAXES.

If you want to argue this fine.
But i think you could do studies to show that you would have to raise the price of toothpaste quite substantially in order to decrease consumption. People simply feel they "need" to clean their teeth.

If you THEN want to obfuscate by saying, "but yeah well the tax itself is good for the environment, and can be used to counter the effects of the toothpaste" i then have to ask you just what kind of goofball you are.
a. this is no longer about what you said it was about.
it is simply about a tax mans witch hunt to find an item with inelastic demand upon which to place a tax in order to extract money in order to put it towards some purpose.

I do not accept that i am responsible for repaying to the earth via my government ANY such tax upon my toothpaste or ass-paper ANY MORE SO THAN I ACCEPT A TAX UPON THE AIR WHICH I BREATHE!

This is just getting downright SILLY!
??? IS IT NOT ???

norm

shitty tax

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soulsinging

norm wrote:

shitty tax

Anyway, I'm all for use taxes. They make far more sense than income taxes to me.

VINNY GOOMBA

soulsinging wrote:

norm wrote:

shitty tax

Anyway, I'm all for use taxes. They make far more sense than income taxes to me.

Yeah, but not simultaneously... How about one or the other?

Jeanwah

I believe they're starting to tax individual small plastic bottles of water too in some states.

norm

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

norm wrote:

shitty tax

Anyway, I'm all for use taxes. They make far more sense than income taxes to me.

Yeah, but not simultaneously... How about one or the other?

exactly!!

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

This is just getting downright SILLY!
??? IS IT NOT ???

YES! its good to have ya back

polaris_x

what we need to be careful of is the labeling of the tax ... i could call it a feed hungarian wrestlers tax and we'd be railing on them ...

just like people who take advantage of a disaster like katrina to make money off unsuspecting people - the gov't is no different ...

the threats of climate change are indeed real - we already are suffering those changes ... we cannot sustain our current way of life - sure, the devastation may not be felt by you and i because we are privileged but at the end of the day - imagine everyone on this planet living like you and i and what the earth would be like ...

consumption of products and natural products is a major problem ... someone mentioned bottle water (it's horrible) ... as we all know tho taxation may not be the best solution simply because the gov'ts use that money to fund stupid wars ...

so, in a way - i agree that taxing things left and right will not save the environment necessarily ... we do need to find a way to live a more sustainable way of life ...

pandora

my question
Is the tax going to Gore's foundation?

decides2dream

norm wrote:

shitty tax

given that we're discussing toilet paper.....is that a pun?

norm wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Anyway, I'm all for use taxes. They make far more sense than income taxes to me.

Yeah, but not simultaneously... How about one or the other?

exactly!!

totally agree on that. income tax and then sales tax....gets a little out of hand at times...

arthurdent

you know, back when I did high school debate, we often used a TP tax as our funding source. That was almost 20 years ago. I guess I really am ahead of the curve.

yahamita

http://www.naturalnews.com/026627_paper ... rests.html

yahamita

Jeanwah wrote:

I believe they're starting to tax individual small plastic bottles of water too in some states.

Oregon pays 5 cent deposit on water bottles

polaris_x

yahamita wrote:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026627_paper_toilet_paper_forests.html

all my tp/paper at home is made from 100% recycled paper products ... heck - even at work it's like that ...

yahamita

polaris_x wrote:

yahamita wrote:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026627_paper_toilet_paper_forests.html

all my tp/paper at home is made from 100% recycled paper products ... heck - even at work it's like that ...

So, you're in Canada? Is it like this in alot of businesses? I know we alway buy what is cheap here at work, and its never recycled.

polaris_x

yahamita wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

yahamita wrote:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026627_paper_toilet_paper_forests.html

all my tp/paper at home is made from 100% recycled paper products ... heck - even at work it's like that ...

So, you're in Canada? Is it like this in alot of businesses? I know we alway buy what is cheap here at work, and its never recycled.

well ... i would say definitely not but i do work for a very big company and i know a lot of big companies that do it ...

if you read the harry potter books - we were the first country to have the entire print published on ancient forest friendly paper ... other countries followed suit in subsequent books ...

DriftingByTheStorm

polaris_x wrote:

so, in a way - i agree that taxing things left and right will not save the environment necessarily ... we do need to find a way to live a more sustainable way of life ...

The US Government, the Major US Multinational Conglomerate Corporations it partners with, and the Anglo-European Establishment Elite that run both have access to the largest propaganda network in the world: Major Media, the Major Universities, the largest think tanks, work groups, lobby organizations, NGO policy institutes, big wig charity funds &c &c &c and so forth.

IF THEY REALLY WANTED CHANGE THEY COULD HAVE IT!
The same people who CLAIM to be interested in saving the world from stupid humans, have owned access to ALL the major networks of information and charity disbursement.

Instead of using the bluntest of all weapons to confront the problem -- taxes -- they could be using the finely honed blades of INFORMATION and DIRECT AID to attack the issue and change the world almost overnight.

Put shows on TV that explain to people how to live off the grid, how to grow their own food, how to make their own shit, and how to rely on each other and community instead of on polluting big box retail and multinational industry. Teach similar courses at colleges, and direct research, policy, outreach, funding, and charity efforts towards these same goals.

If your goal is to RADICALLY CHANGE HUMAN BEHAVIOR PATTERNS you need to PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES.
If your goal is to simply PAY LIP SERVICE to this agenda, and SUCK THE PEOPLE BONE DRY in the process,
then you do what the elite ARE doing: set up a control grid, jack taxes through the roof, and put the screws to the economy under the guise of "environmentalism".

Actually the elite are putting in the framework for the fulfillment of their true goal as we speak.
Following the "logic" (see Obama's Chief Science Advisor thread for details) that the biggest threat to this planet is man himself, it follows "logically" that the solution is simply to rid the earth of man.

To that end, currently proposed legislation and international agreements are doing a DAMN good job of paving the way for massive world wide mortality rate hikes:

1. Carbon credit & "green" legislation will hamper industrial economies, and potentially cripple personal economies.

2. Codex Alimentarius guidelines going in to effect end of 2009 stand to set conditions for the slow starvation of several billion people in 3rd world areas.

3. Planned land use and water use restrictions set the stage for resource "wars" and personal desperation.

4. Any further energy price increases stand to push global food supplies out of the price range of many 3rd world citizens, causing famine. (google "oil contango", understand huge investors are hoarding oil, driving up price)

5. Any continuation of the "global economic slowdown" (particularly in combination with any energy price increases, which sounds non-sensical; can and will be blamed on "inflation") will cause continued slides in to poverty and potentially famine for many parts of the world.

6. Any further "outbreak" of any of these new "super diseases" which suspiciously keep popping up, stands to threaten the global food supply, causing famine and death.

7. Any geo-political instability on a large scale (confrontation with Iran, Korea, China, Russia, et al) will do the same.

Some of these are merely potential threats, several of them are very clear and pre-meditated efforts to ostensibly do several different things, while in reality creating a giant death trap for the worlds poor.

Of course if NONE of this gets population levels down to what is deemed acceptable by the experts -- again go ask Obama's senior science advisor, he gives you the actual preferred population figures -- then they will just move on to more draconian measures still -- as outlined in that douchebag's text book from the 70's.

Forced abortions, and sterility poisions, ho!

know1

Why does the answer to seemingly more and more problems always seem to be just tax it?

Look at the tax on "unhealthy" foods that's supposed to help stop obesity. If the foods are the problem ban them.

The only thing getting fatter is the government's wallet and it's control over us.

The government is looking for every possible way to squeeze every cent out of each of us and take away our freedoms.

arthurdent

know1 wrote:

Why does the answer to seemingly more and more problems always seem to be just tax it?

Look at the tax on "unhealthy" foods that's supposed to help stop obesity. If the foods are the problem ban them.

The only thing getting fatter is the government's wallet and it's control over us.

The government is looking for every possible way to squeeze every cent out of each of us and take away our freedoms.

The citizenry cannot be reliably counted upon to do the right thing on their own. Therefore, government must step in and give them a push.

"All men are NOT created equally. And it it the responsibility of the government to make them so."
—Kurt Vonnegut "Harrison Bergeron"

VINNY GOOMBA

arthurdent wrote:

know1 wrote:

Why does the answer to seemingly more and more problems always seem to be just tax it?

Look at the tax on "unhealthy" foods that's supposed to help stop obesity. If the foods are the problem ban them.

The only thing getting fatter is the government's wallet and it's control over us.

The government is looking for every possible way to squeeze every cent out of each of us and take away our freedoms.

The citizenry cannot be reliably counted upon to do the right thing on their own. Therefore, government must step in and give them a push.

"All men are NOT created equally. And it it the responsibility of the government to make them so."
—Kurt Vonnegut "Harrison Bergeron"

With all due respect, FUCK THAT.