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Will Vs. reissue be mostly demos?

brainofebrainofe Posts: 264
edited July 2009 in The Porch
I know that there will probably be no mention of the Vs. reissue until way after Backspacer is released but I was just wondering what the bonus material might be. Since most and probably all of the B-sides from Vs. have already been released, will the bonus tracks just be demos of the tracks on the album? Personally, I'm not too fond of hearing the demos of finished songs, they usually end up sounding too weak and pointless like SOLAT and Breath from Ten Redux. And sure it's interesting to hear the songs in there beginning stages, but we all go back to the finshed songs anyway. So what's the point of releasing demos? And I'm not just talking about PJ, but other bands too. I've purchased some Deluxe Editions and they all have demos. What's the deal?
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  • WavesWaves Posts: 7
    I like to hear demos because they are sometimes different and maybe be better than the piece of music originally released.
  • kiljoythemercifulkiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    Could be demos, but I'm hoping we get a bit more vault action with Vs. Open it Up!!!
  • CopTheRiotActCopTheRiotAct Posts: 953
    I agree, I don't find demos that interesting unless the change is really significant like the Light Years demo. If the arrangement in the demo is different its cool, otherwise I'd prefer Bside/Instrumental/Video performance no matter how lame or unfinished :D
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  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    There are many demos out there that we don't know exist. I am sure there are at least a couple from vs. that we'll hear for the first time on the reissue...
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  • samsaidheysamsaidhey Posts: 63
    brainofe wrote:
    I know that there will probably be no mention of the Vs. reissue until way after Backspacer is released but I was just wondering what the bonus material might be. Since most and probably all of the B-sides from Vs. have already been released, will the bonus tracks just be demos of the tracks on the album? Personally, I'm not too fond of hearing the demos of finished songs, they usually end up sounding too weak and pointless like SOLAT and Breath from Ten Redux. And sure it's interesting to hear the songs in there beginning stages, but we all go back to the finshed songs anyway. So what's the point of releasing demos? And I'm not just talking about PJ, but other bands too. I've purchased some Deluxe Editions and they all have demos. What's the deal?


    I thought that SOLAT demo was frickin awesome! I absolutely LOVE how raw it sounds, it doesnt even really sound like a demo to me. Anyways.... I imagine there will be some surprises on the VS reissue...on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    Interesting thread..

    as a fan, I would not mind hearing some crazy sounds and demos.. I dig Pearl Jam

    My question is when will they re re lease the new leash issue of VS?

    if Sony wants all Epics out by 2011 they had better get bizzienessy, eh? :lol:
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  • brainofebrainofe Posts: 264
    No i haven't heard too many demos that stand out above the final recording.
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  • see_the_worldsee_the_world Posts: 172
    samsaidhey wrote:
    on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!

    You'd need longer than that! :)
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  • arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    samsaidhey wrote:
    I thought that SOLAT demo was frickin awesome! I absolutely LOVE how raw it sounds, it doesnt even really sound like a demo to me. Anyways.... I imagine there will be some surprises on the VS reissue...on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!

    agreed! The demo really brought SOLAT back to its Crazy Horse roots :D
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  • samsaidheysamsaidhey Posts: 63
    see_the_world wrote:
    samsaidhey wrote:
    on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!

    You'd need longer than that! :)

    No doubt but was trying not to be greedy :)

    I keep imagining it would be like The Chocolate Factory.
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    regarding demos... think of how many people (myself included) think that the "bootleg" version of brother is superior to the lost dogs version and the redux version as well... for all practical purposes, the bootleg version IS the demo... this alone should validate the release of demos.

    sometimes, things can get distilled out in the finished, studio versions. in the biz, we call this "demo-itis"... the fact that sometimes, you get it right the very first time... and sometimes you cannot get back there.
  • Dr Emmett BrownDr Emmett Brown Posts: 611
    +1 for loving SOLAT on there

    And the version of Brother
  • see_the_worldsee_the_world Posts: 172
    samsaidhey wrote:
    see_the_world wrote:
    samsaidhey wrote:
    on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!

    You'd need longer than that! :)

    No doubt but was trying not to be greedy :)

    I keep imagining it would be like The Chocolate Factory.

    They should slip a golden ticket into one copy of Backspacer...
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    see_the_world wrote:
    samsaidhey wrote:
    on Lost Dogs, I keep looking at the picture of the one shelf that has their recordings...man to get in there for a day!

    You'd need longer than that! :)


    plus a recording studio to play the masters on... but at least you'd get to mix how much guitar, vocals, drums, etc you'd want to hear. :D
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  • DF691DF691 Posts: 12
    were there even really any non-album b-sides from Vs. that were not simply live versions of previously released songs? as i type i can't think of any "true" b-sides from that era!?!?
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    demos are good...
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  • arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    DF691 wrote:
    were there even really any non-album b-sides from Vs. that were not simply live versions of previously released songs? as i type i can't think of any "true" b-sides from that era!?!?

    Alone and the "acoustic" version of Elderly Woman...

    Crazy Mary
    Sonic Reducer
    Angel
    Hard to Imagine (already on LD, though)

    and I think there was at least an instrumental version of Betterman recorded during the Vs. sessions.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    DF691 wrote:
    were there even really any non-album b-sides from Vs. that were not simply live versions of previously released songs? as i type i can't think of any "true" b-sides from that era!?!?


    There were. It was called Vitalogy.

    :lol: i kid... i kid...
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  • arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    CJMST3K wrote:
    DF691 wrote:
    There were. It was called Vitalogy.

    well, Betterman and Whipping were recorded for Vs...
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  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 472
    There was a mention of a slow, festering version of 'Leash' in a flimsy, yet informative book titled "Pearl Jam The Illustrated Story" by Allan Jones. In the same chapter, Eddie states "...we recorded twice as many songs as there are on the record, and they were all ready to go". So hopefully, they didn't exhaust all of that material on Vitalogy and Lost Dogs. An interview with Jeff on billboard.com makes certain we have yet to hear a few gems. "I definitely have amazing memories of some songs off Vs. I know there's three totally finished amazing songs that don't have any vocals or lyrics and melodies."

    As for the reissues themselves, they may wind up appointed by a chronological era, rather than an album by album basis. Ten, being the monolith that it is, could be the only one distinguished enough to warrant its own reissue.
  • surforiasurforia SoCal Posts: 352
    ^ yeah, i've heard a theory that the next boxsets will be 1) vs./vitalogy (the Dave A era); 2) no code/yield (jack's era); and 3) binaural/riot act (matt's era).
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  • EquallyWorthlessEquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    brainofe wrote:
    I know that there will probably be no mention of the Vs. reissue until way after Backspacer is released but I was just wondering what the bonus material might be. Since most and probably all of the B-sides from Vs. have already been released, will the bonus tracks just be demos of the tracks on the album? Personally, I'm not too fond of hearing the demos of finished songs, they usually end up sounding too weak and pointless like SOLAT and Breath from Ten Redux. And sure it's interesting to hear the songs in there beginning stages, but we all go back to the finshed songs anyway. So what's the point of releasing demos? And I'm not just talking about PJ, but other bands too. I've purchased some Deluxe Editions and they all have demos. What's the deal?


    They could have lots of b-sides we dont even have a fucking clue about, you dont know how many songs were written for each album, think of the picture of the tape wall on the inside cover of Lost Dogs.
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  • brainofebrainofe Posts: 264
    EquallyWorthless wrote:
    brainofe wrote:
    I know that there will probably be no mention of the Vs. reissue until way after Backspacer is released but I was just wondering what the bonus material might be. Since most and probably all of the B-sides from Vs. have already been released, will the bonus tracks just be demos of the tracks on the album? Personally, I'm not too fond of hearing the demos of finished songs, they usually end up sounding too weak and pointless like SOLAT and Breath from Ten Redux. And sure it's interesting to hear the songs in there beginning stages, but we all go back to the finshed songs anyway. So what's the point of releasing demos? And I'm not just talking about PJ, but other bands too. I've purchased some Deluxe Editions and they all have demos. What's the deal?


    They could have lots of b-sides we dont even have a fucking clue about, you dont know how many songs were written for each album, think of the picture of the tape wall on the inside cover of Lost Dogs.

    i really hope you are right
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    surforia wrote:
    ^ yeah, i've heard a theory that the next boxsets will be 1) vs./vitalogy (the Dave A era); 2) no code/yield (jack's era); and 3) binaural/riot act (matt's era).

    I hope this is how it's done. It would make the most sense.

    It'll be interesting to see how they'll remove Dave's image from his own albums though. :lol:
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