Insurance Lobby's Secret Plan to Attack 'Sicko'

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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Moore is a bit on and off in my opinion.

    Parts of "Bowling for Columbine" is very good, and "Sicko" is good. He has some valid points, although with a pretty ham-handed oand over-emotional delivery.

    Fahrenheit 9/11 is just trash-tv and Bush-bashing. Now, I was no fan of Bush, but the movie wasn't much except a 90 minute personal attack, really.

    But when it comes to the american health care system, there are several real issues to highlight. He lays on the drama and pathos pretty thick, but he has a point.

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Fahrenheit 9/11 is just trash-tv and Bush-bashing. Now, I was no fan of Bush, but the movie wasn't much except a 90 minute personal attack, really.

    I thought he was spot on with Fahrenheit 9/11. Bush deserved to get bashed. Michael Moore was one of few people in the post 9/11 period with the balls to speak out against these criminal fucks. I think he deserves some respect for that.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Fahrenheit 9/11 is just trash-tv and Bush-bashing. Now, I was no fan of Bush, but the movie wasn't much except a 90 minute personal attack, really.

    I thought he was spot on with Fahrenheit 9/11. Bush deserved to get bashed. Michael Moore was one of few people in the post 9/11 period with the balls to speak out against these criminal fucks. I think he deserves some respect for that.

    Aye, he has balls and Bush may have deserved a bashing.

    Respect for speaking out before it was fashionable to do so. As I respect Eddie Vedder for the Bushleaguer shows before it was fashionable.

    Still, I didn't like the movie, and it's nothing but 90 minutes of "Bush is stupid and evil". High on emotion, low on content.

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    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I didn't like the movie, and it's nothing but 90 minutes of "Bush is stupid and evil". High on emotion, low on content.

    Fair enough.

    Personally, I wasn't surprised it was high on emotion considering he was talking about a bunch of Rich neo-cons who had pissed on the U.S Constitution and sold America down the shitter with a pack of lies, not to mention the ransacking and devastation of two sovereign nations and millions of dead in the process.

    On the content side, he did a good job of highlighting the gross incompetence and greed of Bush et al, and their close ties with the Bin Laden's and Saudi Arabia. Also, some of the footage from Iraq was pretty breathtaking and hadn't been seen before.

    I think it's just fashionable/trendy to bash Michael Moore. But like the above article on which this thread is based makes clear, he often hits the nail on the head.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mo ... and_awards
    'Fahrenheit 9/11 remains the highest-grossing documentary of all time, taking in close to US$200 million worldwide, including United States box office revenue of US$120 million.'

    - No small achievement.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    All the Michael Moore haters - except Jlew - must be away on holiday! :lol::lol::lol:
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    All the Michael Moore haters - except Jlew - must be away on holiday! :lol::lol::lol:

    we've already been over this. its because no one gives a fuck about him. he is a lying fat bag of shit.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    All the Michael Moore haters - except Jlew - must be away on holiday! :lol::lol::lol:

    we've already been over this. its because no one gives a fuck about him. he is a lying fat bag of shit.
    Yet, you again, can't comment on the OP. Cat got your tongue?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    All the Michael Moore haters - except Jlew - must be away on holiday! :lol::lol::lol:

    we've already been over this. its because no one gives a fuck about him. he is a lying fat bag of shit.
    Yet, you again, can't comment on the OP. Cat got your tongue?

    I have ZERO interest in what it has to say. and does nothing to dispel the fact the MM is a lying fat bag of shit. I'm just entertaining Byzine because he keep bumping this worthless thread and complaining that no one cares.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Where are all the Michael Moore haters?

    Why have you all gone quiet all of a sudden?

    Because no one gives a fuck about his hateful dishonest fat ass. k?
    +1 Michael Moore wouldn't recognize the truth if it bite him in the ass.....and he probably does most of his research on "Wiki" too.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    tybird wrote:
    +1 Michael Moore wouldn't recognize the truth if it bite him in the ass.....and he probably does most of his research on "Wiki" too.

    Great, then explain the OP.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I have ZERO interest in what it has to say.

    Then why are you posting your hateful bile on this thread?
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    honestly, i think this is - overall - less about michael moore and a LOT more about the insurance industry, period. i don't think it matters what the fuck you personally think about michael moore. i see it as a healthcare industry insider simply saying, yea....they tried to do what they could to stop information getting out there. it's disturbing that more are not at least semi-alarmed or upset about it. i realize we've grown quite accustomed to such bullshit, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't piss you the fuck off. we DESERVE better care.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2009
    decides2dream wrote:
    honestly, i think this is - overall - less about michael moore and a LOT more about the insurance industry, period. i don't think it matters what the fuck you personally think about michael moore. i see it as a healthcare industry insider simply saying, yea....they tried to do what they could to stop information getting out there. it's disturbing that more are not at least semi-alarmed or upset about it. i realize we've grown quite accustomed to such bullshit, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't piss you the fuck off. we DESERVE better care.

    Actually, no, I posted this thread mainly to get a discussion going about Michael Moore and whether, at least in the case of 'Sicko', he was spot on. Unfortunately, becauase this message board has recently been over-run with abusive, ignorant juveniles who have been allowed to return from their previous life-time bans on the old message board, all we mainly got on this thread was that Michael Moore is a 'fat, hateful piece of shit'.
    Until this message board ever gets cleaned up we can just expect more of the same.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Where are all the Michael Moore haters?

    Why have you all gone quiet all of a sudden?

    It was killing you that nobody was paying attention to you wasn't it? You NEED the argument for validation eh?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    soulsinging wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Where are all the Michael Moore haters?

    Why have you all gone quiet all of a sudden?

    It was killing you that nobody was paying attention to you wasn't it? You NEED the argument for validation eh?

    It's not about paying attention to me. Why do you find it so difficult to take me out of the equation?

    This thread is about Michael Moore, the movie 'Sicko' and the health industry. It's not about me.

    All you Michael Moore haters have nothing constructive to say because the op has rammed your pathetic insults and criticisms of Michael Moore back down your throats. You have no response to this thread because the truth hurts.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Byrnzie wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Where are all the Michael Moore haters?

    Why have you all gone quiet all of a sudden?

    It was killing you that nobody was paying attention to you wasn't it? You NEED the argument for validation eh?

    It's not about paying attention to me. Why do you find it so difficult to take me out of the equation?

    This thread is about Michael Moore, the movie 'Sicko' and the health industry. It's not about me.

    All you Michael Moore haters have nothing constructive to say because the op has rammed your pathetic insults and criticisms of Michael Moore back down your throats. You have no response to this thread because the truth hurts.

    1. Because you kept bumping it practically jumping up and down saying "where are you all, bring it on!"

    2. Because that thing is way too long for me to bother reading.

    3. Because I can tell from the headline that I'd agree with everything in there, and I've read rundowns of the insurance guy's tell-all interviews and was not remotely surprised at the shit things they are doing. I loathe the insurance industry and think it's the most crooked, disgusting field out there. I don't understand why lawyers are so reviled but nobody talks about the corruption of the insurance industry in America.

    4. Even so, Michael Moore is a moron. He's no different from Sean Hannity... selective information to lead to histrionic outrage. I tend to agree with Moore's conclusions more, but his research and arguments are flawed and dishonest. Bush deserved all the smackdowns he ever got, but that doesn't mean Fahrenheit 9/11 was a good documentary... it was crap. There was a goldmine of material to tear the right a new one over that whole thing, and Moore blew it by opting for cheap theatrics and weak circumstantial "evidence" over substance.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    soulsinging wrote:
    1. Because you kept bumping it practically jumping up and down saying "where are you all, bring it on!"

    2. Because that thing is way too long for me to bother reading.

    3. Because I can tell from the headline that I'd agree with everything in there, and I've read rundowns of the insurance guy's tell-all interviews and was not remotely surprised at the shit things they are doing. I loathe the insurance industry and think it's the most crooked, disgusting field out there. I don't understand why lawyers are so reviled but nobody talks about the corruption of the insurance industry in America.

    4. Even so, Michael Moore is a moron. He's no different from Sean Hannity... selective information to lead to histrionic outrage. I tend to agree with Moore's conclusions more, but his research and arguments are flawed and dishonest. Bush deserved all the smackdowns he ever got, but that doesn't mean Fahrenheit 9/11 was a good documentary... it was crap. There was a goldmine of material to tear the right a new one over that whole thing, and Moore blew it by opting for cheap theatrics and weak circumstantial "evidence" over substance.

    Sorry to dent your ego, but this thread wasn't aimed solely at you.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sorry to dent your ego, but this thread wasn't aimed solely at you.

    I never claimed it was. I just popped in and saw the overlarge blue font you used to try to bait people and it cracked me up. Vintage Byrnzie!

    Anyway, bottom line is health insurance in America = fucked and corrupt, but it's not because Michael Moore says so and he's not a particularly compelling source of authority for any argument (see gun control, America's response to 9/11, health insurance industry). The tell-all information from the former health industry exec is far more interesting than anything Moore has to say on the topic.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    soulsinging wrote:
    The tell-all information from the former health industry exec is far more interesting than anything Moore has to say on the topic.

    That's funny...I thought you just said it was too long for you to bother reading it?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Actually, no, I posted this thread mainly to get a discussion going about Michael Moore and whether, at least in the case of 'Sicko', he was spot on. Unfortunately, becauase this message board has recently been over-run with abusive, ignorant juveniles who have been allowed to return from their previous life-time bans on the old message board, all we mainly got on this thread was that Michael Moore is a 'fat, hateful piece of shit'.
    If and when this message board ever gets cleaned up we can just expect more of the same.

    more insults I see. just never ends with you

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