Video leading to capture of Cynthia McKinney and FreeGaza
Pepe Silvia
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65UW1E_e ... r_embedded
good job, Israel! stop that nobel prize laureate and former congresswoman and other human rights workers from bringing medicine and children's toys and cement so they can start to rebuild their homes/town since operation cast lead
good job, Israel! stop that nobel prize laureate and former congresswoman and other human rights workers from bringing medicine and children's toys and cement so they can start to rebuild their homes/town since operation cast lead
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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i didn't know a war was declared??????
and actually, they were boarded in international waters
she may be a bit out there but that doesn't justify what happened to the 21 human rights workers.
i wonder how americans would take it if Mexico started building illegal settlements on US soil and treating the US citizens there like shit and then bombed them for several days then wouldn't allow us to rebuild or even let supplies in to where organizations like UNICEF said the majority of US children living in those zones suffer from acute malnutrition because Mexico is preventing the necessary supplies from coming to them??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Given our history I am fairly confident that if Mexico lobbed unguided rockets by the hundreds into San Diego there would be no more Mexico. So, its all relative isn't it? Those folks obviously went down there with the intention of being boarded and arrested for publicity. That's fairly obvious. North Korean vessels are being targeted on the high seas by the international community now in order to stop the possible flow of nuclear materials. Is that illegal too? Further many people including the major media outlets are reporting an entirely one sided story. Gaza is blockaded on both sides of its border by Israel and Egypt. No food or medicine comes in from either direction. Egypt wants no part of Hamas either. Sadly it is the civilians are caught in the middle and it's a difficult situation, but one that many parties have a hand in. Listen I favor a two state solution. The settlements must stop. But so must the attacks by Iranian backed Hamas. Hamas is the biggest obstacle to Peace.
actually, if you compare the official Israeli government website (forgot which one lists all the attacks) compared with how many Palestinians die according to Amnesty International, even before operation cast lead, Israel killed more Palestinians in a few weeks than Israeli's died in the past 5-6 years. They also kill roughly 10 Palestinian children for every 1 Israeli child that dies....
right, a nobel prize winner wanted to buy illegally detained in international waters and put in a prison for a few days, it had nothing to do with the children over there suffereing from acute malnutrition and not enough food or medicine being allowed in, let alone allwoing them to start rebuilding their homes 6 months later
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
by the hundreds you say???? perhaps you should get your facts straight!
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Ob ... +Since.htm
note, that is an Israeli government website
Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)
in 2008 there were 4 attacks on Israel by Palestinians with 9 deaths
in 2007 there was 1 attack on Israel by Palestinians with 3 deaths
in 2006 there were 3 attacks on Israel by Palestinians with 15 deaths
http://thereport.amnesty.org/en/regions ... erritories
so far in 2009 425 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israel
http://archive.amnesty.org/report2008/e ... ories.html
in 2008 Israeli forces killed more than 370 Palestinians, destroyed more than 100 Palestinian homes
http://archive.amnesty.org/report2007/e ... efault.htm
in 2007 Israel killed 650 Palestinians, including some 120 children
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
right, a nobel prize winner wanted to buy illegally detained in international waters and put in a prison for a few days, it had nothing to do with the children over there suffereing from acute malnutrition and not enough food or medicine being allowed in, let alone allwoing them to start rebuilding their homes 6 months later[/quote]
So if your nobel prize winner wanted to do that so badly she could have flown to Cairo and driven to the Rafah border crossing IN EGYPT and gone through that way. Aha you say! You can get there by land and hand the stuff over through Egypt. Instead you floated a boat into the Med. But Egypt won't allow you in either.......so.......it's really a bullshit publicity stunt isn't it? Because if they really wanted to provide aid, rather than get attention for their leftist bullshit attention getting whale wars antics, they could have done so through Egypt far more safely right? But they didn't do that did they? Hmmm.
maybe it had something to do with them taking international waters into Gaza therefor avoiding having to deal with Egypt or Israel? Israel jammed their navigation equipment and gps systems in international waters, this is a violation of international maritime law. yet you have nothing to say about that, the fact that Israel is starving the people in Gaza and not allowing them to rebuild or the stats i posted disproving your claim of rocket attacks by the 100's? interesting....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i would think caring about humans, despite whatever color or ethnicity they are, would be a humane thing, not left or right or moderate....we're talking about the children of this geographic location suffering from acute malnutrtion, we're talking about people having their homes blown up months ago and not being allowed to rebuild but live in these conditions, we're talking about the necessary amounts of food and medicine being prevented from entering this geographic location....i would just think/hope something like that transcends ideology
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I'm not going to get into one of these stupid little pearl jam board insult banters with you. Im just suggesting you are looking at this through rose colored lenses. Either you don't know the full situation in Gaza or you just chose to look at it through your pre-disposed prejudices. I am gathering the latter. Seems to be the trend over here. First, these people tried to get caught. They knew the Israeli navy was out there. They know that Iran supplies all of their weapons into Gaza by sea, which is incidentally why there is an exclusion zone. Do you think HAMAS makes all of the their AK's and Qassam's on the beach in Gaza? Give me a break.
So these people chose the manner of approaching Gaza with the highest degree of provocation and they get what they wanted....attention. Seems this Mckinney gal thrives on attention. Can't get enough of it. And I don't think that someone who may have written some nice poems gets an exclusion from entering what is a war zone, no matter what you call it, simply because she has a nobel prize. Nobel invented Dynamite. I could give two shits about a Nobel Prize.
No one is disputing alot of Palestinians got killed last year. And I never said a word about it. I merely commented on your need to post this bullshit uninformed publicity stunt on here without the facts. You people always look to blame Israel for the fate of the Palestinians. It's OK for Egypt to do exactly the same thing on their side of the border as Israel is doing on theirs ey? As I said. I favor a two state solution. Fatah favors a two state solution. Obama favors a two state solution and believe it or not a good many Israelis do too. The problem....is....Hamas. As long as you have an Iranian backed gang running amock in the region the problem will not be solved. Everyone is now fully behind the U.S on the issue of Iran and Hamas is Iran. Bigger pictured pal. Stupid boat story not bought.
can you show me where i insulted you??
how do you know they were trying to get caught? is that what your pre-disposed prejuidice tells you?
i only brought up the number of deaths in relation to your claim of 100's of rocket attacks against Israel every year, that is just untrue, so i showed you aan official Israeli government website listing how many attacks and deaths there were against Israel and since the actual number was verrrrrrrrrrrry small, especially compared to the pre-disposed prejuidice of the mindset of Israeli's living in constant fear and beseiged by constant attacks, i thought i'd show how many Palestinians die on the opposite site, it is not bias to show both sides statistics, is it??
how many civilians do HAMAS kill? how many civilians does Israel kill? while hamas may be some source of a problem i'd say it pales in comparison, ya know, that big picture you are talking about. on 1 hand you are saying the guy selling an oz is the problem and the other saying kingpin is just an unfortunate byproduct of that
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I don't have to show you anything. I didn't say you insulted me. But I have seen how you insult others. I was merely casting your self serving sob story in it's proper factual light in case someone looking for real information might stumble across it. You posted a story about a bunch of whack jobs on a boat. I responded to that. That's where I end it.
can you show me where i had some insult banter? i know you don't have to show me anything but if you make a claim about someone you should at least back it up instead of getting defensive.
was everyone on the boat a whack job or just McKinney? how do you know? how is this story serving my interests???
ok, so you think this was all a publicity stunt...so how do you feel about the blockade and the children of Gaza suffering from acute malnutrition, the necessary amount of food and medicine not being allowed into Gaza and Israel preventing the people of Gaza rebuilding their homes?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Like I said, Im not going to engage in tit for tat. So are you saying you can't now see how that wasn't a publicity stunt? Apparently a not very good one since only you and now I seem to know about it. I read some objective pieces about McKinney and she sounds to me like a flat out whack job. The whole world knows that Hamas is supplied by the Iranians by sea since clearly they don't share a land border. What did they think was going to happen? I think this woman should try that shit at the Chinese-North Korean Border and try to free Lisa Ling's sister. See how she likes that shit out. Hmmm. 12 years hard labor? Um...Maybe I better just fuck with Israel some more. Easy targ
Look I am cool with far left wingers. I used to be one when I was young and idealistic and completely uninformed. Ok maybe not completely. But I've read alot more in the intervening decades to move me towards Independent.
In answer to your question do I think it's bad that civillians are being denied food and aid. If that is happening, then of course. The Palestinians are getting fucked. Pardon my French. But what you miss is that the Palestinians are getting fucked by both sides. Their brother arabs proclaim they want an Independent Palestine. That's horseshit. They could give a fuck. Egypt could give a fuck. Jordan could give a fuck. Even Iran could give a fuck. The Iranians aren't even Arabs. The Palestinians get used by the Arabs to serve their own political agendas and divert attention from their own fucked up dictatorial bullshit.
All...the....fucking...time. For nearly a century now. So yeah. I feel for them. Most of them. But it's just not accurate to take an isolated incident or slice of history and say oh how horrible of Israel. It's just not true. I think Israel needs to stop settlements for sure. The West Bank and Gaza are totally different stories. If not for the presence of Shiite Iranian Hamas in Gaza there would be peace. Period. Don't kid yourself. The Egyptians don't want them there as much as the Israeli's. There side of the border is just as closed.....So be balanced and be accurate. If you'd like I can recommend some reading.
If it weren't for Hamas, there probably would be peace. Never mind the fact that Hamas was formed in the late 1980s, some 40 years after Israel ethnically cleansed nearly a million Palestinians and 20 years after Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank; Hamas is still the BIGGEST OBSTACLE to peace. If Hamas were not around, like in 1948, Israel would not ethnically cleanse 750,000 Palestinians and destroy around 500 villages. If Hamas were not around, like say in 1967, Israel would not be occupying the West Bank and Gaza. Ultimately, if Hamas were not around, Israel would not be making the Palestinians suffer. Period.
Who said sarcasm was dead? :P
Let's concede your point. Israel is the worst most oppressive country on Earth. Won't even argue that. I have a proposal. Maybe this will work for you. Let's put a huge fleet together and send it to Haifa. All the Jews will be able to to back to their pre-1939 homes....Germany, Austria, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, France, Lithuania, Belorussia, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Morrocco, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, Syria, Yemen.......uh....Hungary, Croatia, Greece......(did i miss any) and let those who survived and their familes go back to their homes and reclaim their property and their 6 million dead relatives and then there will be lots o room for the Palestinians.
Deal?
so, in other words it's just another baseless claim made by you, like your Palestinians shoot "rockets by the hundreds" at Israel? it's not tit for tat, you made a claim about me and i asked you to provide evidence of your claim.
i won't argue about Egypt's border, however is Egypt killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians a year? is Egypt destroying Palestinian homes? Is Egypt building and expanding illegal settlements? did Egypt attack the Red Cross, UN and civilians in Gaza a few months ago? no, they didn't, so while the border situation may be similar the overall actions are far from the same
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
maybe you should rethink how you go about 'enlightening' people
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i'm just saying making false claims then getting defensive when questioned about it doesn't seem to be working too well.....neither does making this a partisan issue
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Or how about Israel simply abide by International law and the will of the International community - excluding the U.S - and dismantle all of the illegal settlements, and pull back to the 1967 border - or 1949 Armistice line?
Did you miss any? Yeah, you forgot all of the tens of thousands of Zionists who migrated to Palestine before the outbreak of WWII and whose emigration there had nothing to do with persecution by the Nazis.
Like I said, the thousands of Jews who migrated to Palestine between 1890 and 1939 did so for reasons that had nothing to do with persecution from fascists in Germany. A point you seem incapable of grasping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah
Aliyah (Hebrew: עלייה Translit.: Aliya Translated: "ascent")]...]the ongoing religious recognition of the holiness of the act of immigrating to the Land of Israel...It is a basic tenet of Zionist ideology.'
First Aliyah (1882–1903)
'Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine, then a province of the Ottoman Empire. The majority, belonging to the Hovevei Zion and Bilu movements, came from the Russian Empire with a smaller number arriving from Yemen. Many established agricultural communities. Among the towns that these individuals established are Petah Tikva (already in 1878), Rishon LeZion, Rosh Pina, and Zikhron Ya'aqov. In 1882, the Yemenite Jews settled in an Arab suburb of Jerusalem called Silwan located south-east of the walls of the Old City on the slopes of the Mount of Olives.[9]'
You see? Nothing to do with persecution by Nazis. I suggest you get yourself back to the library.
You mean you're not going to debate using facts, but prefer to just spout crap. Night night.