interesting article and short video on goldman sachs

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

and i'[m the one who acts like a know it all, tough guy? lol

yea you do. and its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

you're right, he got caught so it doesn't matter he did it.....in some alternate universe.

what the hell does this mean? you are bitching that someone bought an $80,000 rug and didnt get fired. well he DID get fired and paid 1.2 million dollars from his own pocket and you are still bitching? wow

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

did the execs keep their paychecks and bonuses they made prior to the bailout? you failed to answer that.

prior to a bailout? yes of course they do. why wouldn't they?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

they basically stole money. if i ran a company that was about to go under while pulling in millions a year then kept it all and received bonuses while taxpayers paid for my greed and mistakes you wouldn't see anything wrong with that as long as i was a banker or some other essential sector, is that what you're saying?

no one stole money. we are talking about the US financial system. yes mistakes were made from top to bottom. would you like ALL banking employees fired and NO ONE get paid a salary? you are just bitching to bitch.

you keep ignoring the fact that ALL banks and financial institutions who received money have either paid it back or have a plan to do so.

but yes, lets not pay anyone a salary or maybe have the government control who gets a bonus. people like you really crack me up.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

do you have a problem with how the bailout money is being spent being held so secret by the fed? or do you write it off as well?

how the money being spent is not a secret. and again, much of the TARP money is being paid back

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

have you even read the article yet?

yes I did. what about it?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

oh, well, as long as they say they have plans to eventually pay us back...... :roll:

lol again, just bitching to bitch? YES, I think its outstanding that TARP is getting paid back. do you have a problem with this?

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

the $80,000 rug you speak of was from Merill Lynch CEO who has since been fired AND paid for all the stuff in his office totaling well over a million dollars.

yikes, you really didnt know that huh? makes me wonder what else you dont know about this entire situation.

some more info on John Thain, the exec who spent $87,000 on the area rug, and these are the people you want the treasury dept to work closely with, jlew????

by the way, he wasn't fired, as you claim, after a 15 min conversation he agreed to step down

Before he came to Merrill, Thain was the CEO of the New York Stock Exchange from January 2004 to December 2007. Before that he had a career with investment bank Goldman Sachs rising from head of the mortgage desk (1985 to 1990) [6] to President and Co-chief Operating Officer (1999 to 2004).[7]

Thain reportedly was a front runner to head Citigroup.[8][9][10] Merrill Lynch and Citigroup sought new leaders following the sudden departure of their former CEOs after the disappointing performance in the third quarter of 2007.[11][12]

Thain arranged the sale of Merrill to Bank of America at $29 per share, a 70 percent premium over the price at which Merrill stock had been trading. The deal valued the brokerage at $50 billion. Thain was expected to be president of global banking, securities and wealth management, a new division at Bank of America which oversees its corporate and investment bank and most of wealth management business.[13]

In December 2003, interim chairman John Reed at the New York Stock Exchange told The Wall Street Journal that Thain would be paid "a plain vanilla number", about $4 million a year including bonus, with no "strange retirement" program like the one former NYSE CEO Dick Grasso was given.

Upon joining Merrill Lynch, Thain received a $15 million signing bonus. The firm announced that Thain would receive at least $50 million per year in compensation and could be paid as much as $120 million a year, based on the company's stock price. The Associated Press [1] in 2007 identified Thain as the best paid among the executives of S&P 500 companies, as he had received $83.1 million in compensation. In 2007 John Thain earned a total compensation of $83,785,021, which included a base salary of $750,000, a cash bonus of $15,000,000, stocks granted of $33,013,151, and options granted of $35,017,421.[14]

Thain suggested to directors that he receive a bonus in 2008 of as much as $10 million, because he "saved Merrill" by selling it off to Bank of America. After the compensation committee at Merrill resisted the request, Thain reportedly dropped his request on December 8, 2008.

On January 22, 2009, it was revealed that, in early 2008, Thain spent $1.22 million in corporate funds to renovate two conference rooms, a reception area, and his office - including $131,000 for area rugs, a $68,000 antique credenza, guest chairs costing $87,000, a $35,000 commode, and a $1,400 wastebasket. Thain subsequently apologized for his lapse in judgment, and reimbursed the company in full for the costs of the renovation[3].[3][4][5]

Thain accelerated approximately $4 billion in bonus payments to employees at Merrill just prior to the close of the deal with Bank of America. Bank of America was aware of the decision, as it was reportedly one of the pre-agreed conditions under the merger agreement. Speculation mounted that TARP funds were used for the bonus payments, but the TARP recipients are yet to disclose how TARP funds were segregated, or what they were used for.

Thain's memberships include:

* Howard University - Board of Trustees
* MIT Corporation, Dean's Advisory Council – MIT Sloan School of Management
* INSEAD – U.S. National Advisory Board
* James Madison Council of the Library of Congress
* Federal Reserve Bank of New York's International Capital Markets Advisory Committee[23]
* French-American Foundation[24]
* Board of Trustees of the National Urban League
* The Trilateral Commission[25]
* Yale University - John and Carmen Thain established the "Thain Family Café", which is part of the Yale University Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Library. The Café offers refreshments prepared with organic and local ingredients, secured through the Yale Sustainable Food Project. At the dedication of the Library in November 2007, Thain spoke warmly of Yale’s attention to its undergraduates (his daughter attended the University) and stated, “This was a way for us to give back and contribute to the student experience.”
* New York-Presbyterian Foundation - Thain serves as a governor [26]
* Republican Party - Thain is a prominent member of the party and a personal friend of Senator John McCain. Thain was a senior economic policy adviser to McCain and was considered a leading candidate to be his Treasury Secretary[27]. In support of McCain's unsuccessful 2008 bid for the presidency, Thain sponsored a number of fundraisers, including a $2,300-a-seat breakfast at The Regency Hotel on Park Avenue on December 14, 2007[2

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

lol again, just bitching to bitch? YES, I think its outstanding that TARP is getting paid back. do you have a problem with this?

jlew24asu wrote:

yea you do. and its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.

you realize John Thain was NOT fired, right? he agreed to resign after a 15 min conversation with BoA's CEO.

he also received over $83MILLION in compensation in 2007, did he give any of that back, i mean other than to pay for the furniture he bought, which was a little over $1million, i think he can handle it. and then last year has the nerve to request a $10MILLION bonus whil his company is going under!?!? nice people you want working closely with the treasury dept, jlew!!

jlew24asu wrote:

what the hell does this mean? you are bitching that someone bought an $80,000 rug and didnt get fired. well he DID get fired and paid 1.2 million dollars from his own pocket and you are still bitching? wow

he was NOT fired, jlew. i'm pretty sure he can handle $1.2million out of his own pocket since he made $83.1million in 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

prior to a bailout? yes of course they do. why wouldn't they?

so a PROFIT WAS made, despite your claims that there were none?

jlew24asu wrote:

no one stole money. we are talking about the US financial system. yes mistakes were made from top to bottom. would you like ALL banking employees fired and NO ONE get paid a salary? you are just bitching to bitch.

you keep ignoring the fact that ALL banks and financial institutions who received money have either paid it back or have a plan to do so.

but yes, lets not pay anyone a salary or maybe have the government control who gets a bonus. people like you really crack me up.

they have paid back less than 10% of $700Billion, while it is a large amount not really when it's used in relation to how much they received.

why would i have a problem with a bank teller getting paid or a bonus??? i only have a problem when someone runs a compnay or financial institution so poorly they need a bailout or they will go under receiving tens of millions in compensation and bonuses. to me that is theft. if i make $80+MILLION and then need tax payer money to save my business did i really earn that $80+million?

jlew24asu wrote:

how the money being spent is not a secret. and again, much of the TARP money is being paid back

lol <10% is faaaaaaaaar from 'much', jlew!

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

lol again, just bitching to bitch? YES, I think its outstanding that TARP is getting paid back. do you have a problem with this?

jlew24asu wrote:

yea you do. and its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.

you realize John Thain was NOT fired, right? he agreed to resign after a 15 min conversation with BoA's CEO.

thats no different then being fired :roll: relax skippy. CEO's can only be fired from the board and/or a shareholders vote. resigning is the fast and quiet way to get fired.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

he also received over $83MILLION in compensation in 2007, did he give any of that back, i mean other than to pay for the furniture he bought, which was a little over $1million, i think he can handle it. and then last year has the nerve to request a $10MILLION bonus whil his company is going under!?!? nice people you want working closely with the treasury dept, jlew!!

you just don't get it. first of all, when did I say I wanted Tain to work closely with the Treasury Dept? I said I wanted our financial insituations to work closely with the Fed...did I say Tain specifically ? and I also have NO problem with Tain making $83 million in 07. Merrill Lynch could run its company any way they see fit. who am I, or you, to say anything about that? I have the right to choose whether or no I will use Merrill services or buy their stock. (in 07). what the fuck are you bitching about? really?

and it just kills me how ridiculous you sound. First you are bitching that he bought a rug. you had NO FUCKING clue he was even removed from his job and PAID back 1.2 million he spent on office furniture. but even after finding that out, your genius response is that he could afford it. un fucking real.

you make it sound like Tain should receive the death penalty.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

so a PROFIT WAS made, despite your claims that there were none?

I'm referring to the point since they received TARP money. almost all have ben posting HUGE losses for the past 6 quaters. you really dont have much of a clue whats going on here do you? seriously tell me...I will be happen to explain whats going on and how this crisis happened.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

they have paid back less than 10% of $700Billion, while it is a large amount not really when it's used in relation to how much they received.

first of all, only $350 billion of TARP has been used...of which $70 billion has been paid back and plans are in the works for the rest. Banks need the TARP money but DO NOT want it. and I can see why, they have uneducated people like you bitching about their every move. trust me, it is the LAST thing they want.

jlew24asu wrote:

how the money being spent is not a secret. and again, much of the TARP money is being paid back

lol <10% is faaaaaaaaar from 'much', jlew![/quote]

its not 10%. go educate yourself about whats really going on..you really are making a fool of yourself. I'll help you out..read this..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124524619467123215.html

The government got $68 billion Wednesday from 10 financial firms eager to escape the curbs that came with taxpayer-funded capital infusions.

Repayment of the bailout cash J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and the other companies got under the Troubled Asset Relief Program essentially leaves them on their own to wrestle with the recession and financial crisis. Some firms said they plan to immediately start the tricky task of negotiating to repurchase warrants that the government received in return for the infusions.

...Among the financial firms that returned their TARP money to the government, J.P. Morgan repaid $25 billion, and Goldman and Morgan Stanley paid back $10 billion apiece. U.S. Bancorp repaid $6.6 billion, while Capital One Financial returned $3.6 billion and AmEx gave back $3.4 billion. Bank of New York Mellon Corp., Northern Trust Corp. and State Street Corp. also returned their taxpayer-funded capital Wednesday.

Not on the list were Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co., which haven't received permission to pay back their bailout money.


more good info

http://www.federalreserve.gov/bankinforeg/tarpinfo.htm

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

lol again, just bitching to bitch? YES, I think its outstanding that TARP is getting paid back. do you have a problem with this?

jlew24asu wrote:

yea you do. and its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.

you realize John Thain was NOT fired, right? he agreed to resign after a 15 min conversation with BoA's CEO.

thats no different then being fired :roll: relax skippy. CEO's can only be fired from the board and/or a shareholders vote. resigning is the fast and quiet way to get fired.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

he also received over $83MILLION in compensation in 2007, did he give any of that back, i mean other than to pay for the furniture he bought, which was a little over $1million, i think he can handle it. and then last year has the nerve to request a $10MILLION bonus whil his company is going under!?!? nice people you want working closely with the treasury dept, jlew!!

you just don't get it. first of all, when did I say I wanted Tain to work closely with the Treasury Dept? I said I wanted our financial insituations to work closely with the Fed...did I say Tain specifically ? and I also have NO problem with Tain making $83 million in 07. Merrill Lynch could run its company any way they see fit. who am I, or you, to say anything about that? I have the right to choose whether or no I will use Merrill services or buy their stock. (in 07). what the fuck are you bitching about? really?

and it just kills me how ridiculous you sound. First you are bitching that he bought a rug. you had NO FUCKING clue he was even removed from his job and PAID back 1.2 million he spent on office furniture. but even after finding that out, your genius response is that he could afford it. un fucking real.

you make it sound like Tain should receive the death penalty.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

so a PROFIT WAS made, despite your claims that there were none?

I'm referring to the point since they received TARP money. almost all have ben posting HUGE losses for the past 6 quaters. you really dont have much of a clue whats going on here do you? seriously tell me...I will be happen to explain whats going on and how this crisis happened.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

they have paid back less than 10% of $700Billion, while it is a large amount not really when it's used in relation to how much they received.

first of all, only $350 billion of TARP has been used...of which $70 billion has been paid back and plans are in the works for the rest. Banks need the TARP money but DO NOT want it. and I can see why, they have uneducated people like you bitching about their every move. trust me, it is the LAST thing they want.

jlew24asu wrote:

how the money being spent is not a secret. and again, much of the TARP money is being paid back

lol <10% is faaaaaaaaar from 'much', jlew!

its not 10%. go educate yourself about whats really going on..you really are making a fool of yourself. I'll help you out..read this..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124524619467123215.html

The government got $68 billion Wednesday from 10 financial firms eager to escape the curbs that came with taxpayer-funded capital infusions.

Repayment of the bailout cash J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and the other companies got under the Troubled Asset Relief Program essentially leaves them on their own to wrestle with the recession and financial crisis. Some firms said they plan to immediately start the tricky task of negotiating to repurchase warrants that the government received in return for the infusions.

...Among the financial firms that returned their TARP money to the government, J.P. Morgan repaid $25 billion, and Goldman and Morgan Stanley paid back $10 billion apiece. U.S. Bancorp repaid $6.6 billion, while Capital One Financial returned $3.6 billion and AmEx gave back $3.4 billion. Bank of New York Mellon Corp., Northern Trust Corp. and State Street Corp. also returned their taxpayer-funded capital Wednesday.

Not on the list were Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co., which haven't received permission to pay back their bailout money.


more good info

http://www.federalreserve.gov/bankinforeg/tarpinfo.htm[/quote]


and you still insist i'm the one who acts like an internet tough guy with my comments and Napoleon like complex??? maybe you are projecting?

saying someone is fired projects an image of bosses being mad, accountability....resigning is not the same thing. also, i'm fairly certain if several others here said to you in a thread 'big deal, they were fired!' when they resigned you would take issue with it, but i guess the double standard you hold for yourself would come into play.

when did i say he should get the death penalty?? are you making things up again, jlew?

you never said he specifically should work with the treasury dept but you said you had no problem with their ceos, which he was.

my point goes further than the rug but thanks for making me laugh thinking about the big lebowski. it's about their mindset. he's not the only ceo that did something like that and his firm wasn't the only 1 in trouble. and you didn't say fed, y ou said treasury dept., which is a government agency, the fed is not.

i have a problem with him, and other banking ceos, making that much money while their company is going under and profiting off financial crisis, especially when they are a large cause of it.

do you even know what you are arguing about?

i said:
maybe they shouldn't have let greed get in their way then have their pals who now hold governmental positions bail them out at our expense while they keep their profits.

to which you replied:
profits? what profits. all the major banks and financial institutions I mentioned have reported losses for quite some time now.

the execs kept their profits, which you admit and even say you have no problem with, so what i said was correct.

anyway, given all your red comments above it is clear you can't hold a civil discussion without throwing a tantrum so i am done wasting time replying to you. when the time comes you think you can handle discussing things like an adult let me know

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

saying someone is fired projects an image of bosses being mad, accountability....resigning is not the same thing. also, i'm fairly certain if several others here said to you in a thread 'big deal, they were fired!' when they resigned you would take issue with it, but i guess the double standard you hold for yourself would come into play.

get over yourself. in this situation, Tain was forced out.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

when did i say he should get the death penalty?? are you making things up again, jlew?

first you were bitching about him paying 80k for a rug, then when you found out he paid for that and many other things, you bitched about his 2007 salary.

his salary is none of mine or your business. UNLESS you are a shareholder (do you know what that means?)..if you are then you have every right to bitch and moan all your want. then come 2008, they were bought by B of A with government backing. well, then it becomes our business....and guess what...Tain was removed.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

you never said he specifically should work with the treasury dept but you said you had no problem with their ceos, which he was.

no he wasnt. soon after Merrill Lynch was purchased by BofA, Tain was NOT CEO. get it?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

my point goes further than the rug but thanks for making me laugh thinking about the big lebowski. it's about their mindset. he's not the only ceo that did something like that and his firm wasn't the only 1 in trouble. and you didn't say fed, y ou said treasury dept., which is a government agency, the fed is not.

the fed is not a government agency? well I'll be damned. what are they?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

i have a problem with him, and other banking ceos, making that much money while their company is going under and profiting off financial crisis, especially when they are a large cause of it.

ok, great. so what should be done?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

do you even know what you are arguing about?

absolutely. trust me, I do tis for a living. you are going to be hard pressed to teach me something. my stance is simple. I'm perfectly fine with the government keeping the US financial system afloat with bailout money and cheap loans. if thats what it takes to prevent the system from collapsing, so be it. what I also like is the fact that banks and financial institutions are coming up with plans to pay the money back. its painfully obvious that you really dont follow whats going on with specific companies. these banks do NOT want government money. it greatly limits their ability to run their companies.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

i said:
maybe they shouldn't have let greed get in their way then have their pals who now hold governmental positions bail them out at our expense while they keep their profits.

to which you replied:
profits? what profits. all the major banks and financial institutions I mentioned have reported losses for quite some time now.

the execs kept their profits, which you admit and even say you have no problem with, so what i said was correct.

this is like pulling teeth dude. how old r u? virtually NO banks or financial firms have turned a profit since accepting bailout money. have you not noticed the financial crisis going on?

I admit that banks have profit at some point in the past, prior to 2008. what the fuck is your point?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

anyway, given all your red comments above it is clear you can't hold a civil discussion without throwing a tantrum so i am done wasting time replying to you. when the time comes you think you can handle discussing things like an adult let me know

its really hard to debate with someone who has no fucking clue about what you are debating about in the first place. see my frustration? you have made it clear you know little to nothing about how the financial system works and how its deeply tied to the federal reserve. fuck man, you dont even think the Federal reserve is a government agency?

you are bitching about big bad companies making profits and keeping those profits!!! from who the fuck knows when. you are bitching about execs making alot of money....you are bitching about them buying expensive office furniture when in fact he paid for them himself. you think Tain quit his job with NO pressure for BofA CEO, the fed, or shareholders. he was FORCED out...in other words, he was fired. thats another thing, you can just fire a CEO of a publicly traded company. its not a simple.

if you would like to know how the system works, by all means ask. like I said, I do think stuff for a living and will be more then happy to teach you. this is a very important time in our countries his history. you will be far better off if you know whats going on as opposed to your constant MO of bitching just to bitch.

TriumphantAngel

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

first, how am i being a tough guy?? how am i acting like Napoleon??

you are full of snide comments and acting like a know it all. like I said, give it a rest.

jlew24asu

TriumphantAngel wrote:

look at my lame picture I posted

that message board phrase is very 2005. you should try some new material.

+1 is really popular...try that next time

TriumphantAngel

edit..

jlew24asu

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Byrnzie

Jlew, have you ever considered joining the Oxford Union debating society?

jlew24asu wrote:

you probably have a hard time grasping that concept.


such the tough guy huh?


people like yourself with Napoleon's message board disease only end up looking really foolish, so give it a rest.


you are full of snide comments and acting like a know it all. like I said, give it a rest.


what fucked up point or position are you trying to take?


its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.


what the hell does this mean? you are bitching...


and you are still bitching? wow


you are just bitching to bitch.


people like you really crack me up.


lol again, just bitching to bitch?


you just don't get it.


what the fuck are you bitching about?


and it just kills me how ridiculous you sound.


you are bitching...


you had NO FUCKING clue...


your genius response...un fucking real.


you really dont have much of a clue whats going on here do you?


they have uneducated people like you bitching about their every move.


go educate yourself about whats really going on..you really are making a fool of yourself.


get over yourself.


you are going to be hard pressed to teach me something.


its painfully obvious that you really dont follow whats going on


what the fuck is your point?


its really hard to debate with someone who has no fucking clue


you are bitching


you are bitching


you will be far better off if you know whats going on as opposed to your constant MO of bitching just to bitch.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Jlew, have you ever considered joining the Oxford Union debating society?

yea, I've been a member since 02. can't say I've seen you there.


I'll sum it up for you.


almost anyone on this board: post facts, often times backed by personal first hand experience.

Byzine: thats bullocks. look at my Wiki link. I made it red. its red!

DriftingByTheStorm

Webster Tarpley & Alex Jones Mulling Over A Few Things.

Somewhere in here is some bits about the "anglo eastern establishment elite finance oligarchs", or whatever Tarpley calls them.

Cracks me up and makes some damn good points in there.
Pointless partisans who get there panties bent over the opening attack on Obama, suck it up.
Alex thinks Bush was a tool bucket too.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

almost anyone on this board: post facts, often times backed by personal first hand experience.

Byzine: thats bullocks. look at my Wiki link. I made it red. its red!

Yep, that's me in a nutshell.

Oh, and it's 'bollocks', not 'bullocks'.

flywallyfly

Byrnzie wrote:

Jlew, have you ever considered joining the Oxford Union debating society?

jlew24asu wrote:

you probably have a hard time grasping that concept.


such the tough guy huh?


people like yourself with Napoleon's message board disease only end up looking really foolish, so give it a rest.


you are full of snide comments and acting like a know it all. like I said, give it a rest.


what fucked up point or position are you trying to take?


its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.


what the hell does this mean? you are bitching...


and you are still bitching? wow


you are just bitching to bitch.


people like you really crack me up.


lol again, just bitching to bitch?


you just don't get it.


what the fuck are you bitching about?


and it just kills me how ridiculous you sound.


you are bitching...


you had NO FUCKING clue...


your genius response...un fucking real.


you really dont have much of a clue whats going on here do you?


they have uneducated people like you bitching about their every move.


go educate yourself about whats really going on..you really are making a fool of yourself.


get over yourself.


you are going to be hard pressed to teach me something.


its painfully obvious that you really dont follow whats going on


what the fuck is your point?


its really hard to debate with someone who has no fucking clue


you are bitching


you are bitching


you will be far better off if you know whats going on as opposed to your constant MO of bitching just to bitch.

+1 (hehehe...couldnt resist.)

Pepe Silvia

Byrnzie wrote:

Jlew, have you ever considered joining the Oxford Union debating society?

jlew24asu wrote:

you probably have a hard time grasping that concept.


such the tough guy huh?


people like yourself with Napoleon's message board disease only end up looking really foolish, so give it a rest.


you are full of snide comments and acting like a know it all. like I said, give it a rest.


what fucked up point or position are you trying to take?


its pretty embarrassing how little you know about the financial crisis. but we are all here to learn I suppose.


what the hell does this mean? you are bitching...


and you are still bitching? wow


you are just bitching to bitch.


people like you really crack me up.


lol again, just bitching to bitch?


you just don't get it.


what the fuck are you bitching about?


and it just kills me how ridiculous you sound.


you are bitching...


you had NO FUCKING clue...


your genius response...un fucking real.


you really dont have much of a clue whats going on here do you?


they have uneducated people like you bitching about their every move.


go educate yourself about whats really going on..you really are making a fool of yourself.


get over yourself.


you are going to be hard pressed to teach me something.


its painfully obvious that you really dont follow whats going on


what the fuck is your point?


its really hard to debate with someone who has no fucking clue


you are bitching


you are bitching


you will be far better off if you know whats going on as opposed to your constant MO of bitching just to bitch.

damn, you beat me to it! for someone who likes to claim everyone else is a know it all he sure likes to tell people they don't have a fucking clue and he can teach them

projection at its finest!

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

damn, you beat me to it! for someone who likes to claim everyone else is a know it all he sure likes to tell people they don't have a fucking clue and he can teach them

projection at its finest!

you admit know very little about the financial crisis. and have done nothing more then complain about CEO's getting paid too much.

pandora

I too saw this on my breaking news email this am- I just get pissed- had to look up the assholes making money at our expense. Send as much bad Karma as I can muster- they think we think they are making things better for us?
I don't pretend to understand alot of this but
Their plan is not our plan anymore and if just half of us would pay attention before its too late
maybe we could change things
I want freedom
I want to have a real voice in a government that works for the people
I want representatives I can believe and trust
I want my constitution back before it was sold out to the bankers
I want our small business of 17 years not to fail now after all this hard work
& I want a country my children can be proud of and prosper in

jlew24asu

pandora wrote:

I too saw this on my breaking news email this am- I just get pissed- had to look up the assholes making money at our expense. Send as much bad Karma as I can muster- they think we think they are making things better for us?
I don't pretend to understand alot of this but
Their plan is not our plan anymore and if just half of us would pay attention before its too late
maybe we could change things
I want freedom
I want to have a real voice in a government that works for the people
I want representatives I can believe and trust
I want my constitution back before it was sold out to the bankers
I want our small business of 17 years not to fail now after all this hard work
& I want a country my children can be proud of and prosper in

its the governments job to protect you. I love silly little one liners like "I want my constitution back before it was sold out to the bankers" what the hell does that mean?

"I want our small business of 17 years not to fail now after all this hard work" - who is responsible for it NOT failing? yours or the government? would you accept bailout money to keep your business running? if so, why is it ok for you, but not our banking system.

speaking of, who do you bank with? lets pretend its Citibank. and say you have more 3 million in the bank. this money is used to fund your small business payroll.

the government lets Citibank fail. because you dont want "the constitution sold to bankers" right? well thanks to the FDIC, 250k is insured. the rest? gone. good bye small business...goodbye employees.

is that better?

jlew24asu

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_earns_goldman_sachs

Goldman recorded a charge of 78 cents per share as it repaid the government's $10 billion investment in the bank as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program.