"Um, that's how tours work. They hold back dates to see how the first dates sell. Especially smart in this economy".rrivers
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Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
This whole unfolding of things has been a serious turn off. I'm still making plans to go to the nearest show... but holy cow... this has been a flat out bullshit operation. And the 'tweets' are the loserest things I could possibly think of. Before some of you go on and on about "well you've only been a 10C member for a few weeks"... I've rocked to this band since the first days I heard Ten (my influential university years). So save your "I've got 10,000 posts so obviously I'm a way bigger fan and my opinion means more."
Yes. I'm bitter. I'm doing exactly what a previous poster has mentioned (making plans to go to a distant show- Calgary... unsure of whether they'll be coming to my nearest city- Vancouver).
There is a bright side to this crappy deal... I'll go to Calgary or Seattle... find out they are coming to Vancouver... and go there as well.
....The new dates kick in one day after Backspacer’s release with a pair of hometown shows at Seattle’s Key Arena. Seattle previously had a taste of their band’s new album when the city’s Showbox was the host of a commercial featuring Pearl Jam playing “The Fixer” among other new tracks. From there, Pearl Jam head south for a four-concert residency at Los Angeles’ Gibson Amphitheatre — with a quick detour at the Austin City Limits Festival — before heading to San Diego on October 9th.
After that, there’s a 19-day gap until the band’s next two shows in Philadelphia, so keep an eye out as Pearl Jam will likely add more cities to their trek. The band also promises to play New Zealand and Australia in November 2009 (One wonders if the awesome surfing there have weighed at all on Eddie Vedder’s decision to venture into the Southern Hemisphere.)....
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Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows
My issue is that I may pull the trigger on going out west to Seattle or LA. But if they end up announcing that they will end up playing Red Rocks after I purchased Seattle or LA, that will suck for me because I would e got tickets for Red Rocks before any other place.
Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 - 9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA
The missing three weeks is exactly why people need to chill. There has to be some shows added during this gap. It would make no sense if there wasn't.
If somebody's having a kid like we heard before (can't remember which member of the band said it. Might be Vedder) then that 3-week gap would be just what that person needs. Go back to Seattle, be with his wife or whatever.
I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...
The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED
i know no other band that announces tours this way....every show ive seen in my lifetime the dates have been announced way ahead of time and every now and again additional dates were added which were more in likely a second show in the same city
this is a backwards way of doing things ,especially when you get the dates sent to you a week after tickets already go on sale or you read about the dates from someone who had an inside source
i used to defend everything this band did, but its hard to do it anymore
i know no other band that announces tours this way....every show ive seen in my lifetime the dates have been announced way ahead of time and every now and again additional dates were added which were more in likely a second show in the same city
this is a backwards way of doing things ,especially when you get the dates sent to you a week after tickets already go on sale or you read about the dates from someone who had an inside source
i used to defend everything this band did, but its hard to do it anymore
Not sure if it's their intention, but by doing it that way they stand to make a LOT more $$!!
<<<<<<Um, that's how tours work. They hold back dates to see how the first dates sell. Especially smart in this economy.>>>>>>>>>>>
Ummmm, no that's how "Pearl Jam" Tours work, every other band that I can think of doesn't do it like that and I've been to about 500-600 concerts in my life, every band that I can think of doesn't do it like that. So to say "that's how tours work" unless you are ONLY talking about Pearl Jam I don't know how that statement makes ANY sense.
If that's how they like to do it (announce tours) now then fine, but please do not make it seem like it's a common practice in the music industry with other bands, because it simply is not.
500-600? you can't remember if you saw 100 shows or not??? how would you remember if bands did it like that??
Well let me see here Mr. Smarty Pants, I have been to several festivals that several bands have played at, I have seen tons of club shows that I have just paid at the door and do not have a tickets stub to reference, I have seen several shows for free in the parks, so NO I do not know the EXACT number. I doesn't change the fact that I can not remember ANY band announcing shows like this, like I said before, they can do it however they want, I am just stating the fact that I can not personally recall any band doing it like this.
Pearl Jam never plays in Texas any more, so I am used to it, I saw Grateful Dead 169 times and of those shows 2, yes 2 of them were in Texas, so I am used to having to travel to see bands that I like play. PJ is playing in the city that I live in (Austin) so I am more than happy that if that is the only PJ show I get to see, at least I can sleep in my bed the same night. I hope they play in Mexico in 2010 because I am close to there, I speak Spanish and I have friends that live down there. So to answer your question if there are 100 shows I can't remember seeing or not, I grew up in the 1980's in Houston and as I like to say, if you remember that, you weren't there.
Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
This whole unfolding of things has been a serious turn off. I'm still making plans to go to the nearest show... but holy cow... this has been a flat out bullshit operation. And the 'tweets' are the loserest things I could possibly think of. Before some of you go on and on about "well you've only been a 10C member for a few weeks"... I've rocked to this band since the first days I heard Ten (my influential university years). So save your "I've got 10,000 posts so obviously I'm a way bigger fan and my opinion means more."
You are not correct on this. The first band on your list, U2, added new cities after announcing their initial 2009 US tour itinerary. They also scheduled additional dates in some venues. It would appear that DMB announced pieces of their '09 tour, at different times, and added dates in certain cities. Metallica has also added dates to the lineups for their summer and fall tours. These aren't the only bands either.
You guys need to slacken up a bit. PJ has been doing this hodgepodge touring thing for several years now. The only formal organized tour we have had in several years was 06 in support of Avocado. That was a real tour with real promotion. After that it has just been shows to appease the masses. Many bands won't even do that if they aren't selling something. Last year it was East Coast. This year its West Coast. And each year seems to have at least one gig in the middle of the country in Chicago. Seems fair to me.
Sucks about the South. But, honestly, I can't imagine that even if they wanted to, they would have nearly as good a following down there as on the coasts given their political outspokenness. Hell even Colorado boo'd Eddie Vedder at a show. That might take a minute to heal and become profitable again. After all it takes money to make money and if there aint enough money to be paid, they wont play....
Unfortunately PJ aren't money grubbing corporate ass suckers like U2; the single most over fucking rated band on the planet so they don't have the dough to build hugely wasteful stage getmeups and fly around the world with it.
It is what it is. PJ is the new Dead. They will be around a long time and will get to you eventually. Until then, get on priceline and buy a cheap ticket to L.A. Its a good time to be a traveller.
"Um, that's how tours work. They hold back dates to see how the first dates sell. Especially smart in this economy".rrivers
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Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
This whole unfolding of things has been a serious turn off. I'm still making plans to go to the nearest show... but holy cow... this has been a flat out bullshit operation. And the 'tweets' are the loserest things I could possibly think of. Before some of you go on and on about "well you've only been a 10C member for a few weeks"... I've rocked to this band since the first days I heard Ten (my influential university years). So save your "I've got 10,000 posts so obviously I'm a way bigger fan and my opinion means more."
All of those bands you mentioned will throw in dates sometimes depending on how shows sell.
I have never given any indication that my post count or when I joined this board means anything. You are the one obsessed with that.
Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows
Thank you, norm. That's all I was trying to say. Springsteen did it on his Magic tour and I went to see him a couple of hours away and then he played a few months later 20 minutes from my house. That's how it works.
More dates will be added. Not sure where but they will fill that 19 day gap in the tour.
I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but I really want to know why everyone is sure of this. Yes, it makes sense that they would fill in the gap, but 10C explicitly said that there's no more dates. Does everyone really think they're lying?
Because it makes no sense not to add more dates. There are plenty of arenas in California that are between L.A. and Seattle that can be done by bus. And if you're in L.A. it makes no sense NOT to play Santa Barbara and then cruise up to San Fran and maybe Portland. Plus, Ed likes him some surfin. And there's lots a good surfin in Cali. AND the board said West Coast dates. 7 shows does not make sense. Neither does 19 days of inactivity if you are dropping a new album. More dates.....for sho. Maybe they hit Vegas. Maybe Phoenix and/or Denver. But my guess is they stay on the road. But Red Rocks would be very cool....
Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows
Thank you, norm. That's all I was trying to say. Springsteen did it on his Magic tour and I went to see him a couple of hours away and then he played a few months later 20 minutes from my house. That's how it works.
well i do have 10,000 posts so you know i'm a bigger fan than anyone else
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows[/quote]
Thank you, norm. That's all I was trying to say. Springsteen did it on his Magic tour and I went to see him a couple of hours away and then he played a few months later 20 minutes from my house. That's how it works.[/quote]
well i do have 10,000 posts so you know i'm a bigger fan than anyone else [/quote]
You obviously saw them at The Off Ramp with that many posts!
One other thing I forgot to mention is I really don't understand why people get so angry at PJ or 10C. I'm fine with making suggestions about ways things could be better, but I honestly can't bring myself to get so mad over where a rock band tours. Re: my Springsteen story about him coming much closer after I bought tickets and drove to see him, I really didn't give it a second thought. I would have liked to go see him again, but decided not to. But getting so mad about it makes zero sense to me.
One other thing I forgot to mention is I really don't understand why people get so angry at PJ or 10C. I'm fine with making suggestions about ways things could be better, but I honestly can't bring myself to get so mad over where a rock band tours. Re: my Springsteen story about him coming much closer after I bought tickets and drove to see him, I really didn't give it a second thought. I would have liked to go see him again, but decided not to. But getting so mad about it makes zero sense to me.
last year when they announced the east coast dates, i was positive they'd do some west coast dates...seattle, la, sd...but they didn't....did it bother me? nope...i could've traveled back east to see them but didn't...i knew they'd tour this year...it's just a band...it's not life
One other thing I forgot to mention is I really don't understand why people get so angry at PJ or 10C. I'm fine with making suggestions about ways things could be better, but I honestly can't bring myself to get so mad over where a rock band tours. Re: my Springsteen story about him coming much closer after I bought tickets and drove to see him, I really didn't give it a second thought. I would have liked to go see him again, but decided not to. But getting so mad about it makes zero sense to me.
last year when they announced the east coast dates, i was positive they'd do some west coast dates...seattle, la, sd...but they didn't....did it bother me? nope...i could've traveled back east to see them but didn't...i knew they'd tour this year...it's just a band...it's not life
I was pretty sure they would do west coast dates last year too. But just in case I flew to NYC and saw them at MSG. Time of my life. Best venue and crowd in the country by far. A win win!
Yeah I think a lot of times people that travel great distances to see them forget that they are a small percentage of the fans out there. (Not talking about you, BRMLAW, just in general)
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Well, I guess Pearl Jam isn't too confident then. Every big band I can think of lays out their plans so everybody can then make theirs (those touring at the moment U2, DMB, Green Day, Metallica, etc.).
This whole unfolding of things has been a serious turn off. I'm still making plans to go to the nearest show... but holy cow... this has been a flat out bullshit operation. And the 'tweets' are the loserest things I could possibly think of. Before some of you go on and on about "well you've only been a 10C member for a few weeks"... I've rocked to this band since the first days I heard Ten (my influential university years). So save your "I've got 10,000 posts so obviously I'm a way bigger fan and my opinion means more."
Yes. I'm bitter. I'm doing exactly what a previous poster has mentioned (making plans to go to a distant show- Calgary... unsure of whether they'll be coming to my nearest city- Vancouver).
There is a bright side to this crappy deal... I'll go to Calgary or Seattle... find out they are coming to Vancouver... and go there as well.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
LMFAO!
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows
Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA
They still aren't coming to Texas, so it don't make a shit to me.
for the least they could possibly do
Yes, I have been thinkning the same thing.
Bridge School is likely to be October 24 and 25. These dates fit in perfectly with Philly and the gap from the West Coast.
If somebody's having a kid like we heard before (can't remember which member of the band said it. Might be Vedder) then that 3-week gap would be just what that person needs. Go back to Seattle, be with his wife or whatever.
The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED
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It happens every tour.
Just be patient and keep your fingers crossed it's at a place near you!
this is a backwards way of doing things ,especially when you get the dates sent to you a week after tickets already go on sale or you read about the dates from someone who had an inside source
i used to defend everything this band did, but its hard to do it anymore
Not sure if it's their intention, but by doing it that way they stand to make a LOT more $$!!
I'm not a fan of that crap!
Well let me see here Mr. Smarty Pants, I have been to several festivals that several bands have played at, I have seen tons of club shows that I have just paid at the door and do not have a tickets stub to reference, I have seen several shows for free in the parks, so NO I do not know the EXACT number. I doesn't change the fact that I can not remember ANY band announcing shows like this, like I said before, they can do it however they want, I am just stating the fact that I can not personally recall any band doing it like this.
Pearl Jam never plays in Texas any more, so I am used to it, I saw Grateful Dead 169 times and of those shows 2, yes 2 of them were in Texas, so I am used to having to travel to see bands that I like play. PJ is playing in the city that I live in (Austin) so I am more than happy that if that is the only PJ show I get to see, at least I can sleep in my bed the same night. I hope they play in Mexico in 2010 because I am close to there, I speak Spanish and I have friends that live down there. So to answer your question if there are 100 shows I can't remember seeing or not, I grew up in the 1980's in Houston and as I like to say, if you remember that, you weren't there.
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 2022
You are not correct on this. The first band on your list, U2, added new cities after announcing their initial 2009 US tour itinerary. They also scheduled additional dates in some venues. It would appear that DMB announced pieces of their '09 tour, at different times, and added dates in certain cities. Metallica has also added dates to the lineups for their summer and fall tours. These aren't the only bands either.
Sucks about the South. But, honestly, I can't imagine that even if they wanted to, they would have nearly as good a following down there as on the coasts given their political outspokenness. Hell even Colorado boo'd Eddie Vedder at a show. That might take a minute to heal and become profitable again. After all it takes money to make money and if there aint enough money to be paid, they wont play....
Unfortunately PJ aren't money grubbing corporate ass suckers like U2; the single most over fucking rated band on the planet so they don't have the dough to build hugely wasteful stage getmeups and fly around the world with it.
It is what it is. PJ is the new Dead. They will be around a long time and will get to you eventually. Until then, get on priceline and buy a cheap ticket to L.A. Its a good time to be a traveller.
All of those bands you mentioned will throw in dates sometimes depending on how shows sell.
I have never given any indication that my post count or when I joined this board means anything. You are the one obsessed with that.
Thank you, norm. That's all I was trying to say. Springsteen did it on his Magic tour and I went to see him a couple of hours away and then he played a few months later 20 minutes from my house. That's how it works.
Because it makes no sense not to add more dates. There are plenty of arenas in California that are between L.A. and Seattle that can be done by bus. And if you're in L.A. it makes no sense NOT to play Santa Barbara and then cruise up to San Fran and maybe Portland. Plus, Ed likes him some surfin. And there's lots a good surfin in Cali. AND the board said West Coast dates. 7 shows does not make sense. Neither does 19 days of inactivity if you are dropping a new album. More dates.....for sho. Maybe they hit Vegas. Maybe Phoenix and/or Denver. But my guess is they stay on the road. But Red Rocks would be very cool....
well i do have 10,000 posts so you know i'm a bigger fan than anyone else
well since you mentioned dmb, they released their summer tour with shows in irvine and san diego...then a couple months later they added 2 shows at the greek theater in la....almost every tour they add one or 2 cities or shows[/quote]
Thank you, norm. That's all I was trying to say. Springsteen did it on his Magic tour and I went to see him a couple of hours away and then he played a few months later 20 minutes from my house. That's how it works.[/quote]
well i do have 10,000 posts so you know i'm a bigger fan than anyone else
One other thing I forgot to mention is I really don't understand why people get so angry at PJ or 10C. I'm fine with making suggestions about ways things could be better, but I honestly can't bring myself to get so mad over where a rock band tours. Re: my Springsteen story about him coming much closer after I bought tickets and drove to see him, I really didn't give it a second thought. I would have liked to go see him again, but decided not to. But getting so mad about it makes zero sense to me.
last year when they announced the east coast dates, i was positive they'd do some west coast dates...seattle, la, sd...but they didn't....did it bother me? nope...i could've traveled back east to see them but didn't...i knew they'd tour this year...it's just a band...it's not life
I was pretty sure they would do west coast dates last year too. But just in case I flew to NYC and saw them at MSG. Time of my life. Best venue and crowd in the country by far. A win win!