Question for Canadians.....

F5
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edited July 2009 in A Moving Train
How is your economy doing? All I hear on the news here is about our economy being in the toilet but I never hear much about your situation. I cant find much online either? Help!?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have and our financial institutions are for the most part very sound ... manufacturing and everything related (see auto industry) have taken a huge hit ... we've spent billions on stimulus - not sure how well that's worked but for the most part people are trucking along ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have and our financial institutions are for the most part very sound ... manufacturing and everything related (see auto industry) have taken a huge hit ... we've spent billions on stimulus - not sure how well that's worked but for the most part people are trucking along ...

    so quick to knock America and praise Canada eh? maybe get for facts straight. Canada is in the shithole as much as any other nation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/0 ... bt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine. but your banking system has been resilient mostly because of ridiculously high regulation and control by the government.
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have and our financial institutions are for the most part very sound ... manufacturing and everything related (see auto industry) have taken a huge hit ... we've spent billions on stimulus - not sure how well that's worked but for the most part people are trucking along ...

    so quick to knock America and praise Canada eh? maybe get for facts straight. Canada is in the shithole as much as any other nation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/0 ... bt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine.

    Well...

    Canada's population: 33 million, 1.3 trillion in debt.

    America: 300 million, 13 trillion in debt.

    They're in proportion, that's for sure. The unemployment rates are the same. I think the difference is THE MASS HYSTERIA THE MEDIA CREATES HERE in regards to this economic crisis. I'm sure things aren't as batshit crazy over this whole mess in Canada.

    Just my guess though ;)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have and our financial institutions are for the most part very sound ... manufacturing and everything related (see auto industry) have taken a huge hit ... we've spent billions on stimulus - not sure how well that's worked but for the most part people are trucking along ...

    so quick to knock America and praise Canada eh? maybe get for facts straight. Canada is in the shithole as much as any other nation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/0 ... bt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine.

    Well...

    Canada's population: 33 million, 1.3 trillion in debt.

    America: 300 million, 13 trillion in debt.

    They're in proportion, that's for sure. The unemployment rates are the same. I think the difference is THE MASS HYSTERIA THE MEDIA CREATES HERE in regards to this economic crisis. I'm sure things aren't as batshit crazy over this whole mess in Canada.

    Just my guess though ;)

    I agree...the media is probably way nuttier here then Canada but I really wouldnt know since I dont have access to it.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/05/26/canada-household-debt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine.

    honestly ... you must come on here and just look for tiniest things to get you going ...

    are you denying the US has suffered greatly from overextended and unpaid loans? ... gripes ...

    and if you read the article you posted - you will see that 79% said that debt is manageable and is related to inflation and general day to day living costs ...

    from: http://www.bizymoms.ca/business/canadian-economy.html
    Canada’s strong link with the United States has to a great extent impacted on the economy of Canada, but is better placed than most countries with similar relationships with the U.S. due to sound policy management and proactive steps taken to maintain financial and economic stability.

    i'm not saying it's great but we're managing here ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/05/26/canada-household-debt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine.

    honestly ... you must come on here and just look for tiniest things to get you going ...

    I just find it funny how quick you are to bash America and praise Canada without having your facts straight.
    polaris_x wrote:
    are you denying the US has suffered greatly from overextended and unpaid loans? ... gripes ...

    I didnt say anything about America. I thought we were talking about Canada?
    polaris_x wrote:
    and if you read the article you posted - you will see that 79% said that debt is manageable and is related to inflation and general day to day living costs ...

    from: http://www.bizymoms.ca/business/canadian-economy.html
    Canada’s strong link with the United States has to a great extent impacted on the economy of Canada, but is better placed than most countries with similar relationships with the U.S. due to sound policy management and proactive steps taken to maintain financial and economic stability.

    i'm not saying it's great but we're managing here ...

    are you really this ignorant? Canada is not doing just fine or managing. unemployment is at 11 year highs and debt is at record levels. turn off your bias and open your eyes.

    btw, did you know the report also said this....

    "The report also said many Canadians have an unrealistic perspective on their own financial situation -- believing it to be better than it is."


    hmmmm sounds like someone I know ;)
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    only you would take my original post as bashing america and praising canada ... all i said was we didn't have the same personal debt related issues - again, if that is false - feel free to correct me ...

    go and read any world economic study on Canada - it should go without stating that every country has suffered from this global economic crisis - my comments are relative to the situation the world finds itself in ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    only you would take my original post as bashing america and praising canada ... all i said was we didn't have the same personal debt related issues - again, if that is false - feel free to correct me ...

    I'm not talking about your posts in this thread. I'm talking about your track record on this board of bashing America every chance you get. but it very predictable that you would say "not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have" which is absolutely false. and I did correct you. Canada debt is at RECORD levels and like Vinny pointed out, just as bad as America proportionately.
    polaris_x wrote:
    go and read any world economic study on Canada - it should go without stating that every country has suffered from this global economic crisis - my comments are relative to the situation the world finds itself in ...

    I read economic studies for a living. you comments are NOT relative to the situation. Canada is hurting just as bad as any other country. you seem to be downplaying that fact because of your ignorance to the situation at hand and your bias towards Canada being better the everyone else.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    only you would take my original post as bashing america and praising canada ... all i said was we didn't have the same personal debt related issues - again, if that is false - feel free to correct me ...

    I'm not talking about your posts in this thread. I'm talking about your track record on this board of bashing America every chance you get. but it very predictable that you would say "not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have" which is absolutely false. and I did correct you. Canada debt is at RECORD levels and like Vinny pointed out, just as bad as America proportionately.
    polaris_x wrote:
    go and read any world economic study on Canada - it should go without stating that every country has suffered from this global economic crisis - my comments are relative to the situation the world finds itself in ...

    I read economic studies for a living. you comments are NOT relative to the situation. Canada is hurting just as bad as any other country. you seem to be downplaying that fact because of your ignorance to the situation at hand and your bias towards Canada being better the everyone else.


    yeah jlew, i am sure your last sentence is the only reason :roll: . why do you have to automatically assume bias and say people bash america? i am american and i did not interpret anything he said as bashing america. maybe, god forbid, he was speaking of his own personal situation??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    only you would take my original post as bashing america and praising canada ... all i said was we didn't have the same personal debt related issues - again, if that is false - feel free to correct me ...

    I'm not talking about your posts in this thread. I'm talking about your track record on this board of bashing America every chance you get. but it very predictable that you would say "not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have" which is absolutely false. and I did correct you. Canada debt is at RECORD levels and like Vinny pointed out, just as bad as America proportionately.
    polaris_x wrote:
    go and read any world economic study on Canada - it should go without stating that every country has suffered from this global economic crisis - my comments are relative to the situation the world finds itself in ...

    I read economic studies for a living. you comments are NOT relative to the situation. Canada is hurting just as bad as any other country. you seem to be downplaying that fact because of your ignorance to the situation at hand and your bias towards Canada being better the everyone else.


    yeah jlew, i am sure your last sentence is the only reason :roll: . why do you have to automatically assume bias and say people bash america? i am american and i did not interpret anything he said as bashing america.

    his post didnt stink of Canada>America? saying Canada "doesnt have the personal debt problems as America" and Canada is "managing just fine"....besides, it just fits a constant slant he has had for years on this board. ask him, he'll tell ya. he believes America is an extremeist nation and most of the worlds problems are our fault. and Canada "is just fine"

    all I've done is educate him that Canada is NOT fine right now. their personal debt is the highest its ever been and unemployment is higher then its been in 11 years
    polaris_x wrote:
    maybe, god forbid, he was speaking of his own personal situation??

    maybe he has a job...great. that means Canada is managing just fine eh? tell that to the millions out of work.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    How is your economy doing? All I hear on the news here is about our economy being in the toilet but I never hear much about your situation. I cant find much online either? Help!?

    http://www.canadianeconomy.gc.ca/english/economy/
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    are you really this ignorant?


    Business as usual for Jlew.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have and our financial institutions are for the most part very sound ... manufacturing and everything related (see auto industry) have taken a huge hit ... we've spent billions on stimulus - not sure how well that's worked but for the most part people are trucking along ...

    so quick to knock America and praise Canada eh? maybe get for facts straight. Canada is in the shithole as much as any other nation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/0 ... bt854.html

    Household debt in absolute terms climbed to a record-breaking $1.3 trillion in 2008, according to a report released by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada.

    Unemployment is 8.5%, worst in 11 years.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujet ... pa-eng.htm

    yea, trucking along just fine.

    Well...

    Canada's population: 33 million, 1.3 trillion in debt.

    America: 300 million, 13 trillion in debt.

    They're in proportion, that's for sure. The unemployment rates are the same. I think the difference is THE MASS HYSTERIA THE MEDIA CREATES HERE in regards to this economic crisis. I'm sure things aren't as batshit crazy over this whole mess in Canada.

    Just my guess though ;)

    You are probably right... our freakin' media talks for hours and days and weeks straight about how bad our economy is, and how fucked we are.... over and over and over again... of course people watching that and hearing that over and over again will have more pessimistic views of our economy.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea, trucking along just fine. but your banking system has been resilient mostly because of ridiculously high regulation and control by the government.

    Boy doesn't that sound awful ;) Damn regulation creating a system that is more stable and resilient than the banks/casinos we have here! :)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118

    You are probably right... our freakin' media talks for hours and days and weeks straight about how bad our economy is, and how fucked we are.... over and over and over again... of course people watching that and hearing that over and over again will have more pessimistic views of our economy.

    well going on straight statistics, the media is not lying in the hype of this recession. its bad, no question. but its good there are people like Larry Kudlow and Michelle Caberra who is usually are the complete opposite of what the mainstrain media says
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea, trucking along just fine. but your banking system has been resilient mostly because of ridiculously high regulation and control by the government.

    Boy doesn't that sound awful ;) Damn regulation creating a system that is more stable and resilient than the banks/casinos we have here! :)

    for banking, maybe. but its hard to say where to draw the line on regulation and government control. when is it too much or not enough :?: I really really really hope we figure that out based on the shitstorm that just happened.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm not talking about your posts in this thread. I'm talking about your track record on this board of bashing America every chance you get. but it very predictable that you would say "not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have" which is absolutely false. and I did correct you. Canada debt is at RECORD levels and like Vinny pointed out, just as bad as America proportionately.

    this is your problem - you even just admited ... you come on here and already you read things without objectivity - seriously, i humbly suggest you ignore me because essentially that is what you are doing anyways ... nothing i say ever gets thru to you because you simply can't comprehend what it is i'm saying - you have your back so far up all you see bashing ...
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I read economic studies for a living. you comments are NOT relative to the situation. Canada is hurting just as bad as any other country. you seem to be downplaying that fact because of your ignorance to the situation at hand and your bias towards Canada being better the everyone else.

    how can you say my comments are NOT relative to the situation? ... who are you to say the context of my posts? ... i'm assuming everyone knows we're in a global economic crisis ... i even wrote in my original post that our manufacturing got hit hard ...

    anyways - i never said canada is better than anyone else EVER ... i know that because i don't believe it ... again - if you come on this board with your personal prejudices - you're wasting your time because you won't learn anything or get anything out of all this ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm not talking about your posts in this thread. I'm talking about your track record on this board of bashing America every chance you get. but it very predictable that you would say "not as bad here as we didn't have the personal debt issues americans have" which is absolutely false. and I did correct you. Canada debt is at RECORD levels and like Vinny pointed out, just as bad as America proportionately.

    this is your problem - you even just admited ... you come on here and already you read things without objectivity - seriously, i humbly suggest you ignore me because essentially that is what you are doing anyways ... nothing i say ever gets thru to you because you simply can't comprehend what it is i'm saying - you have your back so far up all you see bashing ...
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I read economic studies for a living. you comments are NOT relative to the situation. Canada is hurting just as bad as any other country. you seem to be downplaying that fact because of your ignorance to the situation at hand and your bias towards Canada being better the everyone else.

    how can you say my comments are NOT relative to the situation? ... who are you to say the context of my posts? ... i'm assuming everyone knows we're in a global economic crisis ... i even wrote in my original post that our manufacturing got hit hard ...

    anyways - i never said canada is better than anyone else EVER ... i know that because i don't believe it ... again - if you come on this board with your personal prejudices - you're wasting your time because you won't learn anything or get anything out of all this ...


    well at the very least, I educated you on your false assumption that Canadians don't have as much personal debt problems as Americans.....and that Canada is not "managing just fine"

    if you have any other questions about the state of the Canadian, US, or World economies let me know, I'll be happy to help
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea, trucking along just fine. but your banking system has been resilient mostly because of ridiculously high regulation and control by the government.

    Boy doesn't that sound awful ;) Damn regulation creating a system that is more stable and resilient than the banks/casinos we have here! :)

    for banking, maybe. but its hard to say where to draw the line on regulation and government control. when is it too much or not enough :?: I really really really hope we figure that out based on the shitstorm that just happened.

    I think generally that debt is a bad thing, and a particularly bad thing to have as the backbone of your economy. Since banks essentially build their profits on debt, I say too much regulation is far preferable to too little.
  • Cinnamon Girl
    Cinnamon Girl Posts: 1,854
    Speaking personally....I'm just as broke as I ever was!


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