Elvis Presley

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited August 2009 in Other Music
Thoughts on him and his music? His influence?

Hearing the talk of MJ the last 2 weeks, and his nickname, "King of Pop", obviously harkens back to a MJ idol, of course another person labeled the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley.

Elvis seems to me to be among those giants like The beatles, or Dylan, or MJ, who are so huge its unfathomable their influence on society and the world. Their mark on the world is so huge is silly to even estimate it.

For years I disliked Elvis, because as Chuck D said, "to call him the King of Rock and Roll, was a slap in the face to the people who really created rock". Which of course was the blues singers and guitarists.

But I think Elvis deserves to be honored. And while I agree with Chuck D, I dont think Elvis was a racist. He obviously loved black culture and history and music.

Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Thoughts on him and his music? His influence?

    Hearing the talk of MJ the last 2 weeks, and his nickname, "King of Pop", obviously harkens back to a MJ idol, of course another person labeled the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley.

    Elvis seems to me to be among those giants like The beatles, or Dylan, or MJ, who are so huge its unfathomable their influence on society and the world. Their mark on the world is so huge is silly to even estimate it.

    For years I disliked Elvis, because as Chuck D said, "to call him the King of Rock and Roll, was a slap in the face to the people who really created rock". Which of course was the blues singers and guitarists.

    But I think Elvis deserves to be honored. And while I agree with Chuck D, I dont think Elvis was a racist. He obviously loved black culture and history and music.

    Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?

    I just watched the TVmini-series from 2005 about Elvis. I thought it was good (dont know how accurate), but the second hald made me sad thinking that this was so long ago (before he could learn from others mistakes) about drugs, managers, women. I'm not a huge fan of the music, but i can definitely appreciate it.
    I also noticed most of his songs were around 2 miutes (many, under two minutes too).
    I guess for the times, it just seemed like he was doing something totally different.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Thoughts on him and his music? His influence?

    Hearing the talk of MJ the last 2 weeks, and his nickname, "King of Pop", obviously harkens back to a MJ idol, of course another person labeled the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley.

    Elvis seems to me to be among those giants like The beatles, or Dylan, or MJ, who are so huge its unfathomable their influence on society and the world. Their mark on the world is so huge is silly to even estimate it.

    For years I disliked Elvis, because as Chuck D said, "to call him the King of Rock and Roll, was a slap in the face to the people who really created rock". Which of course was the blues singers and guitarists.

    But I think Elvis deserves to be honored. And while I agree with Chuck D, I dont think Elvis was a racist. He obviously loved black culture and history and music.

    Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?

    I just watched the TVmini-series from 2005 about Elvis. I thought it was good (dont know how accurate), but the second hald made me sad thinking that this was so long ago (before he could learn from others mistakes) about drugs, managers, women. I'm not a huge fan of the music, but i can definitely appreciate it.
    I also noticed most of his songs were around 2 miutes (many, under two minutes too).
    I guess for the times, it just seemed like he was doing something totally different.

    I think it was more than that. Before Elvis rock music wasn't something people knew about, or something mainstream americans new about. Elvis brought rock music to the forefront. The fact that rock music is accepted as an art form, and is something that everyone knows about, that in large part is because of Elvis.

    And it was different. To have a white man, singing black songs, at a time when race relations were very very strained and all that. That was huge.

    John lennon said "before Elvis, there was nothing". Again, I think Lennon of all people should have known the volatile nature of saying such a thing. As there were many many important musicians, bluesman, before elvis. But the intention of the statement is true. Rock music wasnt "rock music" in the sense we think about it, until elvis came onto the scene.
  • Wolf At BayWolf At Bay Posts: 236
    I think the problem is NOT the attention that Elvis gets, because he really was a great entertainer and represents a tremendous turning point in the history of music. The problem is that the black musicians don't get enough acclaim, and not just the forefathers of the music, meaning blues and gospel singers/musicians, but also Elvis' peers like Chuck Berry and Little Richard. Its not hard to comprehend a white musician getting more exposure in a majority white country prior to the apex of the Civil Rights movement, so really its up to us now to show mutual appreciation for the peers and influences of Elvis. And as for Chuck D's comment, I don't disparage it, but I like to think he wasn't criticizing Elvis himself, because after all Elvis couldn't help liking the music he heard black people making, but rather the criticism is of those who subsequently deified Elvis.
    Furthermore, I don't think Elvis' importance is at all over-hyped, just based on the number of great musicians who have publicly said that seeing Elvis on TV for the first time is what first inspired them.
    Personally, Elvis was an early favorite for me, though I don't listen to him much anymore, he was my first foray into rock. So, yeah, he's awesome.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    As silly as some of them are, I like watching his movies on TCM. :)
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    i'd leave dylan out of that group.
    Elvis, Beatles, MJ. The trifecta.

    I liked when Elvis had a Clam Bake.
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    Love some Elvis. the '68 comeback special is great, showed he had something to prove. And even the Vegas '70's shows are pretty entertaining if you find some boots. If anything in his later years, he still knew how to work a crowd and had a great sense of humor. Of course, its pretty sad that his 40's were his later years.
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  • His influence is incalculable. As Lennon said, "Before Elvis, there was nothing." Strictly speaking, there was Hank Williams, Louis Jordan, and Bill Hailey and the Comets. There was Blackboard Jungle and the ripping up of seats. However, Elvis consolidated the perceived danger of what was known derisively as "race music" (a horrible bracket into which Fats Domino, Little Richard and Chuck Berry were placed) and subverted the image of the mainstream singer-entertainer forever. He took elements of southern blues, country and gospel and presented them in a package that was hugely powerful not only in its impact but its scope.

    An area that is also overlooked in our twee, overly-pc age where "cock-rock" is a term of abuse is that the young Elvis was the first major recording artist to present a visually sexual act. Okay, there were crooners such as Johnny Ray and Frank Sinatra, but they weren't hip-jigglers. When "Elvis the Pelvis" appeared on the Ed Sullivan show in 1956, he had to be filmed from the waist up. Crazy, I know, but that's the way it was. Without Elvis, there would have been no Mick Jagger, no Jim Morrison, and definitely no Jimi Hendrix (who adored Elvis). True, there would have been no "Percy" Plant and the legions of David Lee Roths either, and some dissenters might say that's not necessarily a bad thing, but Elvis presented the first visual image of the rock star.

    Before Colonel Parker stuck him in a suit and tried to get him to croon, and before those ever-worsening movies, he was incredible. In fact, I think the most striking thing about his '68 Comeback Special is where he does the live set. You get a sense of his sonic and visual power. He was full-on, before the peanut butter and jelly sammiches and the shotgun-blasted televisions.
  • evenflowevenflow Posts: 401
    Anyone intrested in Elvis should read the two books by Peter Guralnick; Last Train to Memphis and Careless Love. Last Train is about Elvis' earlier years from childhood up to when he went into the army and Careless Love picks up the story from his tour of duty in Germany, through his comeback special, and finally to his sad end.

    These two books are by far the best written I've read on a musician's life. The author does the impossible by taking someone as big and cliched as Elvis and makes him seem like someone you grew up with.

    Now that I think about I'm going to re-read them.
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  • evenflowevenflow Posts: 401
    He was full-on, before the peanut butter and jelly sammiches and the shotgun-blasted televisions.

    Peanut butter & Banana's, not jelly :D
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  • Wolf At BayWolf At Bay Posts: 236
    evenflow wrote:
    He was full-on, before the peanut butter and jelly sammiches and the shotgun-blasted televisions.

    Peanut butter & Banana's, not jelly :D
    Isn't there bacon on there too?
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    evenflow wrote:
    Peanut butter & Banana's, not jelly :D

    i've got to give up some love for the peanut butter and banana sammiches! :) they are totally under-appreciated and don't get the praise they deserve. use to eat them as a kid too.

    peanut butter and banana with a baseball bat!:D
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135

    Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?

    Jailhouse Rock, I Can't Help Falling In Love With You, Return to Sender
  • Wolf At BayWolf At Bay Posts: 236

    Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?

    Jailhouse Rock, I Can't Help Falling In Love With You, Return to Sender
    I liked the movie Jailhouse Rock as a kid, had in video.
    You can't go wrong with the first album, hell, its iconic.
    Favorite song is probably Hound Dog.
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    Heartbreak Hotel is another good one
  • illegal pantsillegal pants Posts: 13,471
    Favorite albums? Songs? Favorite films?

    1. I like the Blue Hawaii album - has Can't Help Falling In Love...
    2. (Now And Then There's) A Fool Such As I - love it to bits, so simple
    3. Jailhouse Rock - classic
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    evenflow wrote:
    He was full-on, before the peanut butter and jelly sammiches and the shotgun-blasted televisions.

    Peanut butter & Banana's, not jelly :D
    Isn't there bacon on there too?

    I think the bacon involves a specific story. Elvis was entertaining friends in Memphis and one of them mentioned giant peanutbutter bacon stuffed sandwiches from a restaurant in Vegas, so they hopped a plane and had the restaurant set up catering at the airport where they landed, then flew back.
  • DewieCox wrote:

    I think the bacon involves a specific story. Elvis was entertaining friends in Memphis and one of them mentioned giant peanutbutter bacon stuffed sandwiches from a restaurant in Vegas, so they hopped a plane and had the restaurant set up catering at the airport where they landed, then flew back.

    wow :shock: rich people have it made.... sometimes.
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