Upcoming 10C Presale Opportunites: Surprise vs. Announced

100 Pacer

There's no perfect scenario. There's no way to satisfy the demands of each and every 10C member for 10C tickets. There's plenty of debate all around with regards to 10C choosing either:

1. A surprise/random presale start-time for 10C tickets.

Vs.

2. An announced presale start-time for 10C tickets.

As we saw with regards to the most recent surprise presale for Toronto and Chicago tickets, a mass email announcing said presale to the entire 10C base is likely to arrive after tickets have sold out, resulting in those who don't/can't check the Porch every thirty seconds for hours on end likely missing out. Those who have the means and opportunity to stay a leg-up on the competition favor this approach.

In the not-too-distant past, 10C's server/s did have a difficult time handling the mass amount of traffic to the site for scheduled poster/ticket sales; however, the server/s track-record seems to have improved significantly over the last 6-12 months and in all likelihood could handle a large scale scenario such as a previously announced start time without crashing. of course, as more members try for tickets, supply vs. demand means some will ultimately be shut out because of the increased traffic as opposed to a surprise announcement (where traffic could be intense, but perhaps just slightly less). Everyone is on equal footing with this scenario, for the most part, but we all know when it comes to PJ tickets it's every man/woman/child for him/her self.

with a little under 48 hours to go before we could see 10C deciding on a course of action by which to sell tickets, is there/can there be a general consensus on a preferred method? 10C decides how they'd like to sell tickets, and that's their call; however, if there's a general consensus either way will 10C factor our opinions in their decision-making process?

where do i stand? i'd like to see a return to a scattered, pre-announced 10C presale,...

the wolf

you know what? i dont really care how they go on sale, so long as i knew b4 hand the whole tour schedule so i can decide ahead of time what tickets to go for.

if they let us know about a few dates at a time it just kinda blows because i dont want to miss my shot to see them so i might go for tickets to a show that in some cases is twice the drive for me to get there. I would hate to but tickets to Atlanta, if i can see them somewhere in Indy or Kentucky because i live in Cincinnati, OH.
thats my biggest bitch.

mfc2006

maybe they should announce them all at once and stagger the on-sale times with a couple of days between each sale date. that might help the server a bit.

Piper At The Gates

100 Pacer wrote:

There's no perfect scenario. There's no way to satisfy the demands of each and every 10C member for 10C tickets. There's plenty of debate all around with regards to 10C choosing either:

1. A surprise/random presale start-time for 10C tickets.

Vs.

2. An announced presale start-time for 10C tickets.

As we saw with regards to the most recent surprise presale for Toronto and Chicago tickets, a mass email announcing said presale to the entire 10C base is likely to arrive after tickets have sold out, resulting in those who don't/can't check the Porch every thirty seconds for hours on end likely missing out. Those who have the means and opportunity to stay a leg-up on the competition favor this approach.

In the not-too-distant past, 10C's server/s did have a difficult time handling the mass amount of traffic to the site for scheduled poster/ticket sales; however, the server/s track-record seems to have improved significantly over the last 6-12 months and in all likelihood could handle a large scale scenario such as a previously announced start time without crashing. of course, as more members try for tickets, supply vs. demand means some will ultimately be shut out because of the increased traffic as opposed to a surprise announcement (where traffic could be intense, but perhaps just slightly less). Everyone is on equal footing with this scenario, for the most part, but we all know when it comes to PJ tickets it's every man/woman/child for him/her self.

with a little under 48 hours to go before we could see 10C deciding on a course of action by which to sell tickets, is there/can there be a general consensus on a preferred method? 10C decides how they'd like to sell tickets, and that's their call; however, if there's a general consensus either way will 10C factor our opinions in their decision-making process?

where do i stand? i'd like to see a return to a scattered, pre-announced 10C presale,...

I'm with you all the way Pacer. Announce early, that is the fair policy and it worked very well for many years.

benjs

100 Pacer wrote:

There's no perfect scenario. There's no way to satisfy the demands of each and every 10C member for 10C tickets. There's plenty of debate all around with regards to 10C choosing either:

1. A surprise/random presale start-time for 10C tickets.

Vs.

2. An announced presale start-time for 10C tickets.

As we saw with regards to the most recent surprise presale for Toronto and Chicago tickets, a mass email announcing said presale to the entire 10C base is likely to arrive after tickets have sold out, resulting in those who don't/can't check the Porch every thirty seconds for hours on end likely missing out. Those who have the means and opportunity to stay a leg-up on the competition favor this approach.

In the not-too-distant past, 10C's server/s did have a difficult time handling the mass amount of traffic to the site for scheduled poster/ticket sales; however, the server/s track-record seems to have improved significantly over the last 6-12 months and in all likelihood could handle a large scale scenario such as a previously announced start time without crashing. of course, as more members try for tickets, supply vs. demand means some will ultimately be shut out because of the increased traffic as opposed to a surprise announcement (where traffic could be intense, but perhaps just slightly less). Everyone is on equal footing with this scenario, for the most part, but we all know when it comes to PJ tickets it's every man/woman/child for him/her self.

with a little under 48 hours to go before we could see 10C deciding on a course of action by which to sell tickets, is there/can there be a general consensus on a preferred method? 10C decides how they'd like to sell tickets, and that's their call; however, if there's a general consensus either way will 10C factor our opinions in their decision-making process?

where do i stand? i'd like to see a return to a scattered, pre-announced 10C presale,...

While (for self-centered purposes) I don't like this method, I feel the most fair method they had was leaving a window open for a certain period of time during which people could have their credit cards pre-authorized for the purchase, then 10C would randomly select based on their 10C allotment that Ticketbastard provides.

Jason P

I think, if possible, a nice 30 day notice of a full tour schedule would be a welcomed change from the current system. I almost screwed myself (and fellow 10C members) when the Chicago tickets went on sale and frantically bought a pair only to be reminded afterwards that I had agreed to go backpacking that same week. I chalked it up as a loss of $150 and two empty seats. Luckily my friends were flexible in their schedule and moved the trip back a week..

People have the natural tendency to get over-excited and not think clearly when presented with an unannounced opportunity (as I did). As spotty as the servers get, you are almost foolish not to buy the tickets the second you get through. There isn't time to go get your planner, call friends and family, etc, etc.

Plus, what if someone from Philly spent their excess cash on a trip to Chicago only to find out several months later that PJ is playing in their backyard?

I guess I'm a big fan of planing and execution. That said, I'm looking forward to August 23rd!

dimitrispearljam

the wolf wrote:

you know what? i dont really care how they go on sale, so long as i knew b4 hand the whole tour schedule so i can decide ahead of time what tickets to go for.

if they let us know about a few dates at a time it just kinda blows because i dont want to miss my shot to see them so i might go for tickets to a show that in some cases is twice the drive for me to get there. I would hate to but tickets to Atlanta, if i can see them somewhere in Indy or Kentucky because i live in Cincinnati, OH.
thats my biggest bitch.

+1..well said..

Stephen Flow

I just really wanna know all the dates at once so I can plan some shows for myself... I'm not going to Philly if they are playing New York... I'd love 3 nights at SPAC but that's pretty much out of the question...

BeerBaron

I can't decide which scenario I like best. Both have advantages and disadvantages to me personally. One thing is for sure though: the 10C servers just can't handle the volume of traffic for pre-announced sale times. The ticket sale of the Philly shows will be a COMPLETE MESS if they announce the on-sale time ahead of time. And that is one of the main advantages to just throwing them up when the shows are announced.

cajunkiwi

It makes even more sense given the state of the economy and the fact that a few people have been posting stories about losing their jobs, and potentially losing their jobs, on this board lately.

Announce all of the shows at once, and have a week before the 10C presale begins. That way people can figure out what shows they can afford to attend, and you won't have the situation of someone from coast X seeing a show announced for coast Y, assuming because it's the only show announced that it will be the only one they play, then buying concert tickets, plane tickets, and booking a hotel room to attend the show, only to have the band come out a month later and announce that they're going to play coast X, and realizing they just wasted several hundred dollars that could've gone towards a mortgage payment and a full tank of gas. Giving people a week to get their acts together, then staggering the 10C sales on top of that, should also alleviate traffic problems on the site. Another solution may be to have separate 10C presales, with an initial one only open to members whose mailing zip codes are within a certain distance of the show... that would ensure the locals get tickets, and would also mean the people who like to travel with the band will have an opportunity to get tickets as well.

That being said, I've only been a member here for six months, so I have no idea how things have been done in the past - I've got nothing to compare it to. It just seems like that would make sense to me, and would alleviate a lot of the complaints people have had lately.

It's also not taking into account what the band is doing - I don't know how easy venues have been to book this year...

CHANGEinWAVES

BeerBaron wrote:

The ticket sale of the Philly shows will be a COMPLETE MESS if they announce the on-sale time ahead of time.

this has my stomach in knots!

demetrios

I kinda prefer to know all the show dates they are doing all @ once, so I can plain out my vacation time out & hit the road for those show's. To find out one show at a time, on a biweekly or monthly bases, is pretty intense.

benjs

demetrios wrote:

I kinda prefer to know all the show dates they are doing all @ once, so I can plain out my vacation time out & hit the road for those show's. To find out one show at a time, on a biweekly or monthly bases, is pretty intense.

The economy is bad, and a band that has always stood for the little people is releasing tour information in tiny chunks, in order to get the impulse sales. I hate to say it, but it seems like there is a lack of sympathy for those people from the band. It's very weird.

logan5ive

At the very least announce all the US dates at once.

quelquefois

benjs wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I kinda prefer to know all the show dates they are doing all @ once, so I can plain out my vacation time out & hit the road for those show's. To find out one show at a time, on a biweekly or monthly bases, is pretty intense.

The economy is bad, and a band that has always stood for the little people is releasing tour information in tiny chunks, in order to get the impulse sales. I hate to say it, but it seems like there is a lack of sympathy for those people from the band. It's very weird.

i guess i hadn't thought about it that way... i really hope it's not to get impulse sales... i was thinking that they were announcing the tour dates in such a weird way because, for one it's really hard to keep them a secret once they are confirmed... but also, we're a spoiled fan base with major entitlement issues ( ). we want constant information, and i guess the price we pay is being able to see the big picture all at once. i don't know... i hope it's not a way to maximize profit :( .

norm

announce all the dates and stagger sales...less chance for server probs

announce and sell at once is bizarre way to announce a tour

Jeanwah

norm wrote:

announce all the dates and stagger sales...less chance for server probs

announce and sell at once is bizarre way to announce a tour

+1.
OR...at least communicate with us why exactly they can't release the entire lineup with staggered on sale dates as they used to.

100 Pacer

BeerBaron wrote:

I can't decide which scenario I like best. Both have advantages and disadvantages to me personally. One thing is for sure though: the 10C servers just can't handle the volume of traffic for pre-announced sale times. The ticket sale of the Philly shows will be a COMPLETE MESS if they announce the on-sale time ahead of time. And that is one of the main advantages to just throwing them up when the shows are announced.

as far as i recall, there weren't any server issues when eV tickets went on sale either this year or last so that's a good indicator in terms of anticipated performance due to traffic loads. should the Philly presale time be scheduled ahead of time i don't anticipate a "complete mess" scenario (gotta stay positive hehe),...