its a list of places that the show locked up abroad has done showing how brutal and torturous prisons are in those countries. have you seen the show?
never heard of the show
thats too bad. its a good one
in either case ... i don't doubt the list one bit ... also - i don't really see the point of listing other countries as it's still something that shouldn't be condoned ...
in either case ... i don't doubt the list one bit ... also - i don't really see the point of listing other countries as it's still something that shouldn't be condoned ...
Byzine asked, so I gave him a list of just a few places that abuse and torture people in prisons, routinely.. he is still of the thinking that the US is the only country in the world that does bad things
in either case ... i don't doubt the list one bit ... also - i don't really see the point of listing other countries as it's still something that shouldn't be condoned ...
Byzine asked, so I gave him a list of just a few places that abuse and torture people in prisons, routinely.. he is still of the thinking that the US is the only country in the world that does bad things
And it makes you feel better to know that there are other countries that abuse their prisoners?
And it makes you feel better to know that there are other countries that abuse their prisoners?
no its doesnt. and not to muddy the waters, this was done maybe a few times to prisoners of war...and is not done anymore at all.
the countries I mentioned to this daily and routinely to common criminals and petty thieves.
but I'm sure you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that as along as its known that big bad America was guilty of rendition at some point in the past.
So is the US and British authorities doing anything to have these people released yet or what? If we pulled this crap on Israeli civilians all hell would beak loose. Obama is a panty waste if he doesn't squash this crap properly.
And all of these countries have prisons worse than Abu Ghraib, where prisoners are degraded, tortured, and murdered?
yes.
And you know this for a fact? In that case, can you provide some evidence that there are prisons worse than Abu Ghraib where U.S held prisoners were tortured and murdered.
And it makes you feel better to know that there are other countries that abuse their prisoners?
no its doesnt. and not to muddy the waters, this was done maybe a few times to prisoners of war...and is not done anymore at all.
the countries I mentioned to this daily and routinely to common criminals and petty thieves.
but I'm sure you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that as along as its known that big bad America was guilty of rendition at some point in the past.
but you dont have an anti American agenda right?
So the 'war on terror' has stopped has it? Torture and murder was 'done maybe a few times to prisoners' and isn't done anymore? America tortured prisoners 'at some point in the past' and doesn't engage in such things anymore? Are you serious?
This translates as "I don't know, so I'll go for the lowest number possible for fear of making America look bad".
This Wiki page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site = lists Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Morocco,Djibouti, Diego Garcia, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan.
no, I'm pretty sure "not sure" translates into "I don't know". but the answer is actually zero.
2009 closure of black sites by U.S.
Newly inaugurated President Barack Obama issued an executive order closing the CIA's black sites on January 23, 2009.[11] In April, 2009, CIA director Leon Panetta announced that the "CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites," in a letter to staff and that "[r]emaining sites would be decommissioned". He also announced that the CIA was no longer allowing outside "contractors" to carry out interrogations and that the CIA no longer employed controversial "harsh interrogation techniques".[12][13] [14] Panetta informed his fellow employees that the CIA would only use interrogation techniques authorized in the US Army interrogation manual, and that any individuals taken into custody by the CIA would only be held briefly, for the time necessary to transfer them to the custody of authorities in their home countries, or the custody of another US agency.
So the 'war on terror' has stopped has it? Torture and murder was 'done maybe a few times to prisoners' and isn't done anymore? America tortured prisoners 'at some point in the past' and doesn't engage in such things anymore? Are you serious?
And it makes you feel better to know that there are other countries that abuse their prisoners?
no its doesnt. and not to muddy the waters, this was done maybe a few times to prisoners of war...and is not done anymore at all.
the countries I mentioned to this daily and routinely to common criminals and petty thieves.
but I'm sure you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that as along as its known that big bad America was guilty of rendition at some point in the past.
but you dont have an anti American agenda right?
No its an Anti American/Israeli/American Jew agenda. Lets get our facts straight. As if the British had not a thing to do with the all the problems in the middle east today. They are the real villain in all this. And the French. Colonial morons. American didn't carve up the middle east into colonies, England and France did. American didn't promise both the Jews and the Arabs a homeland for support in the great wars only to back out when they got what they needed. England did. So to be accurate blame it on the stinkin Brits.
And then of course there is Jordan who occupied the West Bank pre-67. And the Egyptians who owned Gaza. Were they "ethnic cleansers"? Why pre 67 didnt these brother Arabs set up a Palestinian state in territories they occupied???? Sorry to confuse you with actual history instead of obsessive hate for all things Jewish and Israeli.
Bangladesh
Thailand
Indonesia
Mexico
Brazil
Peru
Cuba
Kuwait
India
Ecuador
Barbados
Philippines
Sierra Leone
Egypt
China
Honduras
Columbia
too name a few. shall I go on?
where did you get that list? ... i think Amnesty Int'l has one and i don't think they corelate
what's fun is looking up countries your government gives aid to and then looking up their annual report on AI, like the US gives financial and military aid to a country that banned ballet! :shock:
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I don't have an Anti=American agenda because I regard the term 'Anti-American' as an absurdity that is only used by morons to attempt to excuse the crimes of the U.S government.
I don't have an Anti=American agenda because I regard the term 'Anti-American' as an absurdity that is only used by morons to attempt to excuse the crimes of the U.S government.
sadly, there are many people in the world who appreciate what the US has done. there has to be some good reasons why we are the most powerful country in the world, no? you have nothing good to say about America or its people, ever. which, like I said, equals an anti-American agenda.
you have nothing good to say about America or its people, ever.
Bullshit.
If I hated everything about America then why would I be posting on a Pearl Jam message board for starters?
Some of my favourite writers and musicians e.t.c are/were American. But this is a political discussion page, so they don't come into the discussion very often. Can you understand that?
If I hated everything about America then why would I be posting on a Pearl Jam message board for starters?
Some of my favourite writers and musicians e.t.c are/were American. But this is a political discussion page, so they don't come into the discussion very often. Can you understand that?
It sure would be convenient for you to succeed in painting me as someone who hates America wouldn't it Jlew? Then you could simply dismiss all of my points/arguments out of hand without having to go to the trouble of addressing them.
Unfortunately for you, your accusation is a perfectly transparent piece of crap and you've convinced nobody.
I dont hate everything about our government or foreign policy. I happen to very much appreciate certain aspects of each.
Such as?
our policy of being first on the scene of any natural disaster that occurs in the world. our willingness to assist other countries who embrace freedom.
It sure would be convenient for you to succeed in painting me as someone who hates America wouldn't it Jlew? Then you could simply dismiss all of my points/arguments out of hand without having to go to the trouble of addressing them.
Unfortunately for you, your accusation is a perfectly transparent piece of crap and you've convinced nobody.
I dont have to convince anyone of anything. you posts speak for themselves. only you would completely ignore the fact that Iranian government is openly killing those who oppose it, TODAY. you would rather focus on the one and only dead protestor that has happened in the history of America. do you enjoy being owned on a message board? although you do seem to take more pleasure when soul embarrasses you.
And you know this for a fact? In that case, can you provide some evidence that there are prisons worse than Abu Ghraib where U.S held prisoners were tortured and murdered.
and by the way, sources of information DO exist beyond google.com and red & blue cut & pastes.
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its a list of places that the show locked up abroad has done showing how brutal and torturous prisons are in those countries. have you seen the show?
never heard of the show
thats too bad. its a good one
in either case ... i don't doubt the list one bit ... also - i don't really see the point of listing other countries as it's still something that shouldn't be condoned ...
Byzine asked, so I gave him a list of just a few places that abuse and torture people in prisons, routinely.. he is still of the thinking that the US is the only country in the world that does bad things
Bangladesh
Thailand
Indonesia
Mexico
Brazil
Peru
Cuba
Kuwait
India
Ecuador
Barbados
Philippines
Sierra Leone
Egypt
China
Honduras
Columbia
too name a few. shall I go on?[/quote]
And all of these countries have prisons worse than Abu Ghraib, where prisoners are degraded, tortured, and murdered?
Also, how many countries have been used by the U.S to practice extraordinary rendition?
And it makes you feel better to know that there are other countries that abuse their prisoners?
yes.
not sure. probably one or two.
no its doesnt. and not to muddy the waters, this was done maybe a few times to prisoners of war...and is not done anymore at all.
the countries I mentioned to this daily and routinely to common criminals and petty thieves.
but I'm sure you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that as along as its known that big bad America was guilty of rendition at some point in the past.
but you dont have an anti American agenda right?
And you know this for a fact? In that case, can you provide some evidence that there are prisons worse than Abu Ghraib where U.S held prisoners were tortured and murdered.
This translates as "I don't know, so I'll go for the lowest number possible for fear of making America look bad".
This Wiki page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site = lists Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Morocco,Djibouti, Diego Garcia, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan.
So the 'war on terror' has stopped has it? Torture and murder was 'done maybe a few times to prisoners' and isn't done anymore? America tortured prisoners 'at some point in the past' and doesn't engage in such things anymore? Are you serious?
yes, watch the show Locked up Abroad.
no, I'm pretty sure "not sure" translates into "I don't know". but the answer is actually zero.
2009 closure of black sites by U.S.
Newly inaugurated President Barack Obama issued an executive order closing the CIA's black sites on January 23, 2009.[11] In April, 2009, CIA director Leon Panetta announced that the "CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites," in a letter to staff and that "[r]emaining sites would be decommissioned". He also announced that the CIA was no longer allowing outside "contractors" to carry out interrogations and that the CIA no longer employed controversial "harsh interrogation techniques".[12][13] [14] Panetta informed his fellow employees that the CIA would only use interrogation techniques authorized in the US Army interrogation manual, and that any individuals taken into custody by the CIA would only be held briefly, for the time necessary to transfer them to the custody of authorities in their home countries, or the custody of another US agency.
yes I'm serious.
So what do you consider to be worse than what happened to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib? What in your opinion is worse than being tortured and murdered?
when it happens on a routinely on a daily basis for decades with no end in sight.
And you base this on having watched a wacky t.v show on American t.v?
would you prefer wiki?
No its an Anti American/Israeli/American Jew agenda. Lets get our facts straight. As if the British had not a thing to do with the all the problems in the middle east today. They are the real villain in all this. And the French. Colonial morons. American didn't carve up the middle east into colonies, England and France did. American didn't promise both the Jews and the Arabs a homeland for support in the great wars only to back out when they got what they needed. England did. So to be accurate blame it on the stinkin Brits.
what's fun is looking up countries your government gives aid to and then looking up their annual report on AI, like the US gives financial and military aid to a country that banned ballet! :shock:
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I don't have an Anti=American agenda because I regard the term 'Anti-American' as an absurdity that is only used by morons to attempt to excuse the crimes of the U.S government.
sadly, there are many people in the world who appreciate what the US has done. there has to be some good reasons why we are the most powerful country in the world, no? you have nothing good to say about America or its people, ever. which, like I said, equals an anti-American agenda.
And there are many people in the world who are capable of looking at the big picture.
There are also many people in the world who are capable of differentiating between America and the American government & American foreign policy.
You are clearly not one of these people.
Bullshit.
If I hated everything about America then why would I be posting on a Pearl Jam message board for starters?
Some of my favourite writers and musicians e.t.c are/were American. But this is a political discussion page, so they don't come into the discussion very often. Can you understand that?
I absolutely can. and I dont hate everything about our government or foreign policy. I happen to very much appreciate certain aspects of each.
you clearly are not one of these people
nice cover up.
Such as?
It sure would be convenient for you to succeed in painting me as someone who hates America wouldn't it Jlew? Then you could simply dismiss all of my points/arguments out of hand without having to go to the trouble of addressing them.
Unfortunately for you, your accusation is a perfectly transparent piece of crap and you've convinced nobody.
our policy of being first on the scene of any natural disaster that occurs in the world. our willingness to assist other countries who embrace freedom.
I dont have to convince anyone of anything. you posts speak for themselves. only you would completely ignore the fact that Iranian government is openly killing those who oppose it, TODAY. you would rather focus on the one and only dead protestor that has happened in the history of America. do you enjoy being owned on a message board? although you do seem to take more pleasure when soul embarrasses you.
and by the way, sources of information DO exist beyond google.com and red & blue cut & pastes.
are you aware of that?