somone of importance please tell ED :)
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Taken from Exploremusic.com
When Eddie Vedder included the song "Hard Sun" on the Into the Wild soundtrack, a lot of long-time Canadian rock fans were more than a little shocked. "Hard Sun," is, in fact, a cover on an obscure Canadian artist named Gordon Peterson who, for a while, recorded under the name Indio in the late 80s. His one-and-only album--a brilliant record called Big Harvest--was issued on A&M but then disappeared a few years later in a midst of weird legalities involving everyone from managers and publishers to merging record companies.
As for Gordon, he dropped out of sight and was rumoured to be living somewhere in the general vicinity of Hamilton, although there are frequent sightings of him in a certain area of central Toronto. According to this source, Gordon is so hard to find because the debacle that followed Big Harvest left him disillusioned and angry with the music industry. Apparently, he had bad experiences with agents/managers who allegedly misrepresnted his interests, ruining any of those vital relationships Gordon might have built with the business side of music.
Another "what might of been" story from Canadian music history, right?
But then came Eddie and his note-for-note rendition for that Sean Penn movie. Eddie told me that Sean introduced him to the song and essentially ordered him to be faithful to the original for the movie.
Great! The song made the film, issued as a single and got a ton of airplay. And this being an Eddie Vedder album, it sold well and everyone--including Gordon--made money. Happily ever after, right?
Well, not necessarily. Eddie made the recording without taking to Gordon nor did he speak with him after the song became a hit. Eddie told me this directly. That in itself isn't a big deal. This is why artists and labels have business and product managers. They're supposed to take care of the business end of the music business.
Well, maybe not in this case.
A source--and I'm bound to secrecy--says that Eddie's recording of "Hard Sun" hurt Gordon "tremendously."
Gordon met Sean Penn sometime in the late 80s or early 90s; some say they were introduced by an ultra-famous Canadian female singer from the 70s. When Gordon played Sean "Hard Sun," it immediately became one of Mr. Madonna's favourite tracks.
Fast-forward almost twenty years to the Into the Wild soundtrack. My source says that neither Sean Penn or Eddie Vedder asked permission to record the song. Nor did he hear anyone from the studio or the label which issued the soundtrack. Gordon was most upset and felt most betrayed. Why? Outside of not receiving the courtesy of a call to ask permission, there was the matter of money.
Gordon was advised to speak with a lawyer about what rights he may have under the terms of his original contract with A&M. Was he, in fact, entitled to royalties from the Eddie Vedder re-recording? My source suggests that things didn't get anywhere. It's possible he got absolutely nothing, despite being the author of the most successful single release of the lead singer of Pearl Jam.
Gordon was apparently distressed and angry when the movie came out and "Hard Sun" subsequently became a hit for Eddie Vedder. This, says my source, makes it highly unlikely that we'll ever hear from Gordon Peterson again.
Rock'n'roll is a vicious, vicious game.
When Eddie Vedder included the song "Hard Sun" on the Into the Wild soundtrack, a lot of long-time Canadian rock fans were more than a little shocked. "Hard Sun," is, in fact, a cover on an obscure Canadian artist named Gordon Peterson who, for a while, recorded under the name Indio in the late 80s. His one-and-only album--a brilliant record called Big Harvest--was issued on A&M but then disappeared a few years later in a midst of weird legalities involving everyone from managers and publishers to merging record companies.
As for Gordon, he dropped out of sight and was rumoured to be living somewhere in the general vicinity of Hamilton, although there are frequent sightings of him in a certain area of central Toronto. According to this source, Gordon is so hard to find because the debacle that followed Big Harvest left him disillusioned and angry with the music industry. Apparently, he had bad experiences with agents/managers who allegedly misrepresnted his interests, ruining any of those vital relationships Gordon might have built with the business side of music.
Another "what might of been" story from Canadian music history, right?
But then came Eddie and his note-for-note rendition for that Sean Penn movie. Eddie told me that Sean introduced him to the song and essentially ordered him to be faithful to the original for the movie.
Great! The song made the film, issued as a single and got a ton of airplay. And this being an Eddie Vedder album, it sold well and everyone--including Gordon--made money. Happily ever after, right?
Well, not necessarily. Eddie made the recording without taking to Gordon nor did he speak with him after the song became a hit. Eddie told me this directly. That in itself isn't a big deal. This is why artists and labels have business and product managers. They're supposed to take care of the business end of the music business.
Well, maybe not in this case.
A source--and I'm bound to secrecy--says that Eddie's recording of "Hard Sun" hurt Gordon "tremendously."
Gordon met Sean Penn sometime in the late 80s or early 90s; some say they were introduced by an ultra-famous Canadian female singer from the 70s. When Gordon played Sean "Hard Sun," it immediately became one of Mr. Madonna's favourite tracks.
Fast-forward almost twenty years to the Into the Wild soundtrack. My source says that neither Sean Penn or Eddie Vedder asked permission to record the song. Nor did he hear anyone from the studio or the label which issued the soundtrack. Gordon was most upset and felt most betrayed. Why? Outside of not receiving the courtesy of a call to ask permission, there was the matter of money.
Gordon was advised to speak with a lawyer about what rights he may have under the terms of his original contract with A&M. Was he, in fact, entitled to royalties from the Eddie Vedder re-recording? My source suggests that things didn't get anywhere. It's possible he got absolutely nothing, despite being the author of the most successful single release of the lead singer of Pearl Jam.
Gordon was apparently distressed and angry when the movie came out and "Hard Sun" subsequently became a hit for Eddie Vedder. This, says my source, makes it highly unlikely that we'll ever hear from Gordon Peterson again.
Rock'n'roll is a vicious, vicious game.
FUCK! if you only hear what you wanna hear...
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It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
I love explore Music, but sometime I have seen them make a story out of a grain of salt..
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Maybe he couldn't find him, like everyone else. If he wants a bunch of people knowing his work, he should have a business address.
Pink floyd (to a degree) and even the Who got ripped this way, hence them still touring to make money, as did a lot of other famous bands of that era. Whoever wrote that piece hasn't done their homework and just wants to be 'oh eddie told me this and xyz told me that.'
ridculous.
by Alan Cross
February 06, 2009 12:06
Eddie Vedder is in a great mood. A few hours earlier, Barack Obama had been sworn in as the 44th president of the United States and Eddie was elated. Ebullient. Euphoric. Effervescently, er, chatty. Although we were going to talk about the upcoming reissue of Pearl Jam’s Ten album (due March 24), which we did, eventually, we both got a little sidetracked on a matter of Canadiana.
A big mystery has been how Eddie came to cover Hard Sun by Indio, a now-obscure Canadian artist who has been AWOL for the better part of 20 years. Although the song still occasionally gets played on Canadian radio, Big Harvest, the album from whence it came, was deleted years ago. It’s now one of those Holy Grail collectibles for a certain type of Canadian rock fan.
Then suddenly, it shows up in a Sean Penn movie being sung by the Pearl Jam frontman. So, how did that happen?
Cross: How did you come across the song Hard Sun for the Into the Wild soundtrack?
Vedder: The Canadian connection! When Sean (Penn, the director) first showed me the movie, it was in the film. To be honest, for me, it was the first time I’d ever heard it. But it felt like I had heard it. I couldn’t tell if it was from the late ’60s or mid-’70s. It had this kind of timeless thing about it.
Cross: Sean Penn found the song?
Vedder: Sean, at one point, knew Gordon (Peterson, the person behind Indio) or had been in contact with him or had friends who were friends of his. And Sean has really good, really eclectic musical tastes. He can quote Phil Ochs at the drop of a hat or recite a 12-minute Bob Dylan song. I think he knew this fellow, Gordon, and loved this song.
I wrote something for this part of the film (the soundtrack for Into the Wild is essentially an Eddie Vedder solo record) and he said “I think that’s good, but I think we need to go with Hard Sun.” And I thought, “Great. That’s less work for me to do. And then he said, “No, no. YOUR version of it.”
I tried to be really true to his delivery. It’s a great, great song. But I’ve not met (Peterson) or talked to him. I hope he liked it.
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I could make a cover of "Release" and commercially release it, and neither EV or their manager or Sony could stop me.
From my music business courses I took for 1.5 years (13 years ago, so I may be a little fuzzy on it) the law states that ANY song that has been released commercially may be reproduced by another artist and sold. The writer of course gets compensated.
The songwriter of "Hard Sun" does and will continue to be compensated by EV's version of the song.
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that gordon is 'hurt' by this?
i honestly cannot see why, if anything, this is a very GOOD thing for him.
and if you think this is 'important'.....why not send it on to 10c, directly, besides posting it here? if it matters to you, i hope you do.....b/c really, that is the best/proper way to get to someone 'important.' what they may do with this information, idk.
honestly tho, i don't see what ed possibly 'owes' this man. seems he did all thru proper channels. i do not think every artist calls up another artist and asks permission to rerecord their work. rerecording, in and of itself, is an homage to the original artist and he/she will get royalities to boot. seems pretty win-win.
and this:
yes. i was/am unsure about how many years, but knew there was something like this in effect. when sean penn did the film i am sam, within the special features of the DVD, there is a whole conversation with the filmmakers about how of course they wanted/needed to use beatles tunes in the soundtrack, but to actually USE the beatles versions would've been prohibitively expensive, therefore they simply asked other artist's to cover the beatles tunes for the soundtrack.
Let's just breathe...
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Wow, I was just posting..no need to get all literal on the subject..
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huh?
what is too 'literal'....?
you posted a lengthy OP with a question, thus, i was asking for clarification of what exactly you think was owed/due/needed....
subject seems pretty 'literal' to me, thus my post. don't ask questions if you don't want answers....:)
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Sounds like there is a bit of a cult following for this guy and his music. If he wants some money and credit, I think he could line up a tour of some sort to do that.
Does that mean that Neil Young gets money from Pearl Jam every time a boot is released that includes Rockin' In The Free World?
The man must be rolling in the cash
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I didnt post for answers, I posted just letting people know this is what I read...as for my subject the smile face was suppose to mean I'm not all that concerned if someone passes this on to end.
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I mean think about it... the lyrics don't really align to McCandless (sorry if thats spelled wrong) exactly. The song talks about a girl... McCandless didn't really have a girl that would make him "bow down to her garden and her sun"
Edit: Sorry, my bad, I thought people were calling bullshit on the fact that it was a cover. Wouldn't be too surprised!
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Im sure Ed, more likely company that put out the album, followed the letter of the law. Would it have been nice of Ed to send Mr. Peterson a letter when they decided to record the song? Perhaps, but it sounds like it would be difficult to find out where to send such a letter.
i just looked back at the OP and i clearly missed this:
Taken from Exploremusic.com
i actually thought YOU wrote up that whole first post, thus, my response.
now it all makes sense.
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That would be true.
In addition, when a band like PJ plays an arena, even if they play only PJ songs, they have to pay fees to ASCAP/BMI which ASCAP/BMI then dole-out the fees to their members - probably right back into PJ's pocket for the most part.
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
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*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Which could be the reasoning behind none of the Ed solo shows being released
Not necessarily. They'd stand to make much more money than they'd pay with fees.
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10