Iran imploding

dasvidana
dasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
edited June 2009 in A Moving Train
Am horrified by what I see on the news and in the blogosphere. If any PJ fans have family or friends living in Iran, I sincerely hope they are safe.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I don't know that I'm so much horrified as I am hopeful. Possibly, because of this, Iran will finally join the 21st century.

    It's evolution -- and revolution -- baby.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • dasvidana
    dasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    I am proud of the protesters but fear for their safety. It reminds me of Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989. Hopeful that things will change, just wish the violence would end.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    blog on HuffPo ....note, some of these vids are very graphic ....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/1 ... 15189.html
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I don't get what they're so pissed about. They want democracy? An election was stolen from the rightful vote-getter to put a religious nut in office? Sounds like every bit as much democracy as we got in 2000... we didn't take to the streets. We knew to roll over and take it up the ass.

    People that still think they have the power to change the world amuse.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    They've been taking it for 30 years; after 30 years of Bush we'd be in the streets too.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Meanwhile at the White House.....***crickets chirping***
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,827
    JB811 wrote:
    Meanwhile at the White House.....***crickets chirping***


    I love that there are crickets chirping at the White House. I hope we stay out of this. WAY out of this. Let these people figure out their own government, it's the only way to do it. Besides, if Iran really is a nation of TURRRRRRORISTS, and keeping TURRRRRORISTS in disarray is the best way to keep them from attacking us, then the job is being done for us, and we can't be blamed for what's happening over there. Unless the CIA is somehow involved in some of this...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    I love that there are crickets chirping at the White House. I hope we stay out of this. WAY out of this. Let these people figure out their own government, it's the only way to do it. Besides, if Iran really is a nation of TURRRRRRORISTS, and keeping TURRRRRORISTS in disarray is the best way to keep them from attacking us, then the job is being done for us, and we can't be blamed for what's happening over there. Unless the CIA is somehow involved in some of this...

    hard to say ... this is how the US first overthrew the Iranian gov't ... what is interesting is that prior to the election - all the polls had the incumbant winning by a large margin ...
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    This not about the election anymore its about the regime.....big difference. OBama is doing the right thing, but at the same time if the CIA can provide a way for news to get out of the country more power to them.
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    JB811 wrote:
    Meanwhile at the White House.....***crickets chirping***


    I love that there are crickets chirping at the White House. I hope we stay out of this. WAY out of this. Let these people figure out their own government, it's the only way to do it. Besides, if Iran really is a nation of TURRRRRRORISTS, and keeping TURRRRRORISTS in disarray is the best way to keep them from attacking us, then the job is being done for us, and we can't be blamed for what's happening over there. Unless the CIA is somehow involved in some of this...


    agreed.
    i know it's a novel concept in our country, but i think it would serve us best, and the rest of the world...if we would learn to mind our own business and stay out of other countries' affairs unless absolutely necessary. and given just how RARE it truly is, or should be, for our involvement to be absolutely necessary, we should keep out of it 99.98% of the time. this situation definitely fits within the criteria of staying the fuck out.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    This provides really good insight to whats going on:

    Despite attempts to shield the increasing brutality through an international media blackout, the world is witnessing the Iranian people heroically and courageously defying the authority and ruthlessness of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and the Islamic Republic system.

    Iranians are expanding their nonviolent demonstrations and expressing legitimate demands for freedom and human rights, despite violent and indiscriminate suppression attempts by the mullah regime’s Basij militia and thugs.
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    The decision of Khamenei to personally address the protests at Friday’s prayer event and to violently attempt to quell the latest demonstrations speaks volumes about the seriousness of the threat of the civil disobedience.

    The overwhelming majority of Iranians do not support the mullah regime, and they realize the government has retained power through the use of sheer brute force. Iranians have long been aware that their elections are a sham to serve a two-fold purpose of legitimatizing the Islamic Republic system and showcasing a make-believe democracy for the outside world.

    As the world is witnessing, there is a tech-savvy, vibrant Iranian freedom movement challenging the mullahs that predates the recent presidential election. This is much more than a spontaneous uprising. Since the contested June 12 election, the mullah leadership is ever more divided and the foundation of the system is severely fractured. The continuation of the current state of affairs has broadened the internal rift within its various political elites.

    The Iranian people are aware that Mir Hossein Mousavi has been part of the Islamic Republic power structure and thus is not a viable long-term leader of the reform movement. However, they also realize that Mousavi is a useful figure to temporarily rally around because the leadership initially was hesitant to try to crush the massive protests perceived to be organized by one of their own handpicked presidential candidates and former prime minister.

    Going forward, the genuine leadership of Iran will emerge from the figurative brothers and sisters of Neda, the heroic young lady who appears to have been brutally murdered by the regime’s thugs Saturday.

    Meanwhile, at the opportune time, the freedom movement will bring increasingly massive numbers of Iranians into the streets in a sustained fashion to overwhelm the security forces. Some of these forces may well refuse to suppress the demonstrators. The scale of the protests also will expand to include strikes in the bazaar, petroleum and mass transit sectors, and further challenge the theocratic system.

    An obvious next objective could be the open call for regime change to create a free and secular government and perhaps a United Nations-monitored referendum on the Islamic Republic system.

    Today Iran is at a historical juncture, the outcome of which will have significant long-term effects on the Persian Gulf and beyond. Success for this freedom movement would certainly become a powerful stabilizing force.

    The unpleasant alternative would likely be more lost decades of totalitarian rule, human rights abuses, regional threats and the continued export of international terrorism, potentially abetted with nuclear weapons.

    It is vital for the international community and all freedom-loving people to support the home-grown movement in Iran through means that do not undermine its independence.

    The ruling mullahs must understand that they will ultimately be held accountable for their brutal attempts to forcibly destroy the nonviolent civil disobedience and the aspirations of the Iranian people to be governed by a free and just system.

    Darab Ganji is a political economist and guest lecturer at SMU’s John Tower Center for Political Studies; he is a board member of the Dallas Committee on Foreign Relations and lived in Iran for 14 years before the 1979 revolution. Robert Jordan was U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia (2001-03), is Diplomat in Residence and an adjunct professor at SMU’s John Tower Center for Political Studies and is a senior partner at Baker Botts LLP.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Obama should be defending the people. Let's just forget about Tiananmen Square too.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    JB811 wrote:
    Obama should be defending the people. Let's just forget about Tiananmen Square too.


    he's defending them right now...happy?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    JB811 wrote:
    Meanwhile at the White House.....***crickets chirping***
    ...
    So... what is YOUR suggestion? Meddle in Iranian Elections? Who are WE to speak of Democracy when we went through the same thing in 2000? Did you think back then that Iran should have done something to remedy our election? Who put us in charge of everything?
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    polaris_x wrote:
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    I love that there are crickets chirping at the White House. I hope we stay out of this. WAY out of this. Let these people figure out their own government, it's the only way to do it. Besides, if Iran really is a nation of TURRRRRRORISTS, and keeping TURRRRRORISTS in disarray is the best way to keep them from attacking us, then the job is being done for us, and we can't be blamed for what's happening over there. Unless the CIA is somehow involved in some of this...

    hard to say ... this is how the US first overthrew the Iranian gov't ... what is interesting is that prior to the election - all the polls had the incumbant winning by a large margin ...

    It is hard to say...though this isn't how we did it the first time. The first time we arrested the leader that the Iranian people actually elected and then eventually installed a different leader.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Cosmo wrote:
    JB811 wrote:
    Meanwhile at the White House.....***crickets chirping***
    ...
    So... what is YOUR suggestion? Meddle in Iranian Elections? Who are WE to speak of Democracy when we went through the same thing in 2000? Did you think back then that Iran should have done something to remedy our election? Who put us in charge of everything?

    Exactly, it's really none of our fucking business. Last time I checked, Iran was it's own country.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    hard to say ... this is how the US first overthrew the Iranian gov't ... what is interesting is that prior to the election - all the polls had the incumbant winning by a large margin ...

    It is hard to say...though this isn't how we did it the first time. The first time we arrested the leader that the Iranian people actually elected and then eventually installed a different leader.

    actually it didn't work the first time ... the first approach was paying people to riot in the streets and essentially causing shit ... then attempt a coup ...
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    whatever US involvement in IRan today, the outcome couldn't be better for western interests. the leftists are being rounded up and thrown into jail, even centrists condemning US invovlement are being put into jail, and history has shown these individuals are in for a long stay, some never heard from again. I can't see how it would be different if a pro-US candidate was in charge. ahmedinajad is doing everything a US puppet would do.


    a few things are certain, given history. the US IS involved, in some way. whether strictly financial or directly instigating the protests- or influencing government policy, its guaranteed the US is involved in the situation in Iran.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    Commy - Rounding up of the leftist and progressives has been going on for the past 30 years. Its improved in the sense that its gone from getting killed to getting thrown in jail. We're talking newspaper editors who happen to be a little to critical of the government. This revolution may benefit western interests but it benefits Iran even more.
  • Penguin1203
    Penguin1203 Posts: 24
    so im really only checking into the news about this now, and i have no clue whats going on, other than the article posted earlier.

    so let me get this straight. the leader of Iran was a tyrant, and now the people got really pissed off, and they're letting him know it?

    and through this, they hope to establish a real form of government, not some George Orwell - 1984 regime?

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