make sure your rich and famous if

megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
edited June 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
you kill someone.
it will only cost you 30 days and you have to hire a driver the rest of your life

i got a week for drinking underage...yea

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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    are you FUCKING kidding me? even vick served more time for dog fighting... what the FUCK is wrong with our justice system?!? the victims family must be outraged right now
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    sgossard3 wrote:
    the victims family must be outraged right now
    Must not be too upset....they signed on the dotted line for the settlement money.
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  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    According to a radio show I heard the case against Stallworth getting a huge amount of time wasn't good b/c the dude wasn't in a crosswalk and Stallworth flashed his brights to warn him on his way through. Basically his death wasn't entirely Stallworth's fault. Additionally he was only .041 above the legal limit (which is like 2 beers plus a sip). I am not defending his terrible decision, I'm just saying that anyone that could afford a decent defense attorney (meaning you have to have some money) would have likely received the same punishment...it had little to do with his stardom.

    At the same time I agree that it's kinda f-d up that he gets 30 days for killing a person -even inadvertantly- but Vick gets 2 1/2 years for fighting animals...weird place this America.
  • gobrowns19gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    I guess one way to look at it is Stallworth unintentionally killed Reyes where Vick intentionally killed the dogs.

    Not defending either, by the way. I believe in second chances, but I believe 30 days is pretty garbage.
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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    Vick was dog fighting over state lines and gambling over state lines

    That's why the penalty was severe..once he crossed state lines the FEDS got involved

    I agree though Stallworth getting 30 days is surprising..If Stallworth flashed his headlights why didn't he stop if he saw the guy ?

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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,870
    Vick was dog fighting over state lines and gambling over state lines

    That's why the penalty was severe..once he crossed state lines the FEDS got involved

    I agree though Stallworth getting 30 days is surprising..If Stallworth flashed his headlights why didn't he stop if he saw the guy ?

    Money talks !

    It's crazy. I keep reading that he flashed his headlights at the guy. WTF does that matter if he still hit him hard enough to kill him? Sure, he warned him, but don't you think maybe he should have stopped if the guy still didn't get out of the way. Fucking crazy.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Vick was dog fighting over state lines and gambling over state lines

    That's why the penalty was severe..once he crossed state lines the FEDS got involved

    I agree though Stallworth getting 30 days is surprising..If Stallworth flashed his headlights why didn't he stop if he saw the guy ?

    Money talks !

    It's crazy. I keep reading that he flashed his headlights at the guy. WTF does that matter if he still hit him hard enough to kill him? Sure, he warned him, but don't you think maybe he should have stopped if the guy still didn't get out of the way. Fucking crazy.

    .....And to boot I believe he was driving a Bentley and they can stop on a dime if you wanted it to. I know I drove my former boss in a Flying Spur for years and those damn brakes work.

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  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Vick was dog fighting over state lines and gambling over state lines

    That's why the penalty was severe..once he crossed state lines the FEDS got involved

    I agree though Stallworth getting 30 days is surprising..If Stallworth flashed his headlights why didn't he stop if he saw the guy ?

    Money talks !

    It's crazy. I keep reading that he flashed his headlights at the guy. WTF does that matter if he still hit him hard enough to kill him? Sure, he warned him, but don't you think maybe he should have stopped if the guy still didn't get out of the way. Fucking crazy.
    It matters in criminal and civil court...dude's dead which is fucked up...but the driver's liability is lower b/c of his actions. At least he is serving some jail time, paying the family money, and he has to live with the fact that his poor decision ended someone's life. For some that doesn't seem like much, but he actually seems pretty jacked up over the whole thing - at least from what I've heard.
  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    NFW am I defending the guy but according to the story his sentence is a little more than the 30 days jail time:
    After his release from jail, Stallworth must serve two years of house arrest and spend eight years on probation.

    Stallworth must also undergo drug and alcohol testing, will have a lifetime driver's license suspension and must perform 1,000 hours of community service. Lyons said after five years, Stallworth could win approval for limited driving for reasons such as employment.

    Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of previous criminal record, cooperation with police and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal. Rundle also said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

    Apparently he has cooperated all along, stopping immediately after the accident and telling police that he struck the man, pleading guilty, no prior record--all those things are factors in his sentence.

    But I still find this VERY hard to understand and I don't know how anyone could look at it without coming away with the perception that money and fame will get you a free ride. :?
    I don't know if my family would be that forgiving. :x
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  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    NFW am I defending the guy but according to the story his sentence is a little more than the 30 days jail time:
    After his release from jail, Stallworth must serve two years of house arrest and spend eight years on probation.

    Stallworth must also undergo drug and alcohol testing, will have a lifetime driver's license suspension and must perform 1,000 hours of community service. Lyons said after five years, Stallworth could win approval for limited driving for reasons such as employment.

    Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of previous criminal record, cooperation with police and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal. Rundle also said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

    Apparently he has cooperated all along, stopping immediately after the accident and telling police that he struck the man, pleading guilty, no prior record--all those things are factors in his sentence.

    But I still find this VERY hard to understand and I don't know how anyone could look at it without coming away with the perception that money and fame will get you a free ride. :?
    I don't know if my family would be that forgiving. :x

    you guys make good points. and its true he's screwed in many ways. but..he will be able(most likely) to continue his career. he can afford a driver and a nice home to stay in instead of prison. plus he is alive.

    of course the argument will come up that vick killed dogs and got nearly 2 years of prison time and lost all of his money; although his big problem was the gambling.

    i mainly posted because it seems insane to get off on only 30 days. it seems that his lawyers probably told the family they can take this deal and get paid, or look for more jailtime and such and draw out the financial part. this guy was a construction worker and his family isn't really well off enough to miss out on a payday..just an educated guess
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    MEGATRON wrote:
    NFW am I defending the guy but according to the story his sentence is a little more than the 30 days jail time:
    After his release from jail, Stallworth must serve two years of house arrest and spend eight years on probation.

    Stallworth must also undergo drug and alcohol testing, will have a lifetime driver's license suspension and must perform 1,000 hours of community service. Lyons said after five years, Stallworth could win approval for limited driving for reasons such as employment.

    Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of previous criminal record, cooperation with police and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal. Rundle also said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

    Apparently he has cooperated all along, stopping immediately after the accident and telling police that he struck the man, pleading guilty, no prior record--all those things are factors in his sentence.

    But I still find this VERY hard to understand and I don't know how anyone could look at it without coming away with the perception that money and fame will get you a free ride. :?
    I don't know if my family would be that forgiving. :x

    you guys make good points. and its true he's screwed in many ways. but..he will be able(most likely) to continue his career. he can afford a driver and a nice home to stay in instead of prison. plus he is alive.

    of course the argument will come up that vick killed dogs and got nearly 2 years of prison time and lost all of his money; although his big problem was the gambling.

    i mainly posted because it seems insane to get off on only 30 days. it seems that his lawyers probably told the family they can take this deal and get paid, or look for more jailtime and such and draw out the financial part. this guy was a construction worker and his family isn't really well off enough to miss out on a payday..just an educated guess

    However, some like The Preacher's Wife Gets 7 month's For Shooting and Killing Her Husband somehow got off on this judges decision. She eventually got custody of the 3 children sometime later.

    Video on this story about Stallworth... http://www.truveo.com/sac-native-stallw ... /911858478

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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Complete BS that he only gets 30 days. He KILLED, again KILLED someone. You don't get that life back, it's gone forever. 30 days for that is way, way too light. Still the part that makes me the most upset is that because he is rich/ famous he can get off this light. If that's you or me (an average joe) our lives are over forever. At least 10 in jail, and a lot more than pocket change of a fine for us. Our justice system is a bunch of horse shit that the rich/ famous can get off with nothing more than paying pocket change for them. The rules should be the same for everyone, period!

    As far as Vick, he should have served his time too. He commited a crime with intent and did it repeatedly. Vick knew damn well what he was doing and kept doing it without any remorse. Basically they can both rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
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  • PorchsitterPorchsitter Loganville, GA Posts: 1,078
    Nothing new. DE Leonard Little got 90 days for killing someone drinking and driving. Stallworth got off easy.
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  • Thirty days is a f#@!ing joke! Flatout period. With that said I do not blame Donte Stallworth for the "weak-pathetic" sentence. I blame the system in which this sentence was produced, ie: the district attorney who agreed to such a lame settlement, and the judge who accepted this as "fair and reasonable".
    I am familiar with a similiar case where I live....which resulted with the defendant receiving a 15 year sentence with 5 years to serve. 30 days... one month...4 weeks are you shitting me the Judicial System should be ashamed of its-self, so blame the DA's and Judges for allowing such a disgrace.

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  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    MEGATRON wrote:
    NFW am I defending the guy but according to the story his sentence is a little more than the 30 days jail time:
    After his release from jail, Stallworth must serve two years of house arrest and spend eight years on probation.

    Stallworth must also undergo drug and alcohol testing, will have a lifetime driver's license suspension and must perform 1,000 hours of community service. Lyons said after five years, Stallworth could win approval for limited driving for reasons such as employment.

    Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of previous criminal record, cooperation with police and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal. Rundle also said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

    Apparently he has cooperated all along, stopping immediately after the accident and telling police that he struck the man, pleading guilty, no prior record--all those things are factors in his sentence.

    But I still find this VERY hard to understand and I don't know how anyone could look at it without coming away with the perception that money and fame will get you a free ride. :?
    I don't know if my family would be that forgiving. :x

    you guys make good points. and its true he's screwed in many ways. but..he will be able(most likely) to continue his career. he can afford a driver and a nice home to stay in instead of prison. plus he is alive.

    of course the argument will come up that vick killed dogs and got nearly 2 years of prison time and lost all of his money; although his big problem was the gambling.

    i mainly posted because it seems insane to get off on only 30 days. it seems that his lawyers probably told the family they can take this deal and get paid, or look for more jailtime and such and draw out the financial part. this guy was a construction worker and his family isn't really well off enough to miss out on a payday..just an educated guess
    As I said, I wasn't defending Stallworth, just trying to give some of the background on the sentencing.

    If it had been my family member who was killed, I just don't know if I could accept something like this and go on. I'd like to think my loved one's life was worth more. I don't like the message it sends. Sad situation for this family.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    RW81233 wrote:
    According to a radio show I heard the case against Stallworth getting a huge amount of time wasn't good b/c the dude wasn't in a crosswalk and Stallworth flashed his brights to warn him on his way through. Basically his death wasn't entirely Stallworth's fault. Additionally he was only .041 above the legal limit (which is like 2 beers plus a sip). I am not defending his terrible decision, I'm just saying that anyone that could afford a decent defense attorney (meaning you have to have some money) would have likely received the same punishment...it had little to do with his stardom.

    At the same time I agree that it's kinda f-d up that he gets 30 days for killing a person -even inadvertantly- but Vick gets 2 1/2 years for fighting animals...weird place this America.

    I'm not defending Stallworth because what he did was stupid and the results are tragic, but the guy he hit was running across the middle of causeway that had a 40 mph speed limit. Stallworth was doing 50 at the time he hit him and who hasn't done 50 in 40 zone. Also the initial reports I read back in March was that he had left the bar he was celebrating at at 1 am (the night before he had just received a 4.5 million dollar roster bonus per his contract) and the accident happened at a little after 7 am. Stallworth had woken up and was heading to the beach and he hadn't fully sobered up yet. And I'm sure he isn't the only person who's ever done that.

    It would have been really hard to get a conviction with the way Florida's DUI Manslaughter Law is written. It's not a strict liability law like in most states. There is a second factor in the law that the person being charged must be found guilty of directly causing the accident besides being drunk. And since the person he hit was running in the middle of a causeway, it would have been tough to get a conviction. If Stallworth had hit the guy in the crosswalk or driven on the sidewalk and hit him, he doesn't get the light sentence. It's a tragedy, but with the way the law is written, Stallworth probably would have only gotten a DUI and been found not guilty of manslaughter if the matter went to trial. This is the main reason that even though the accident happened March 14th and the reports of Stallworth being above the legal limit a few days later, he wasn't arrested until April.
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  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    I don't want to take away too much from the original discussion, but if we are arguing degrees here where Plax should get 3 years for shooting himself in the leg, Stallworth more than 30 days, and Vick got what he deserved, then what does George W. deserve for being responsible for the deaths of thousands?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,160
    Looking at this from the government's perspective, they would stand to lose $15-17M in tax revenue if they locked Donte up for an extended sentence versus having to spend $500K to incarcerate him. I guess it made good business sense to Uncle Sam to let him play ball.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    30 days in jail pales in comparison to having to live your life knowing you killed someone with your actions, plus he's been very cooperative all along.

    I dunno if it's been brought up but the family of the deceased didn't wanna go through a trial, civil or criminal. I'm no judicial expert but I'd think that played a pretty big part, especially with the unpredictability of trials.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    He is suspended "indefinitely"...
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/stor ... NHeadlines

    We'll see how long he is out.




    On a side note, one part of the article linked above made me think a little bit...

    From a Goodell memo to all teams:
    "In the past few years, I have not hesitated to impose discipline, including suspensions, on club and league employees who have violated the law relating to alcohol use. Every club should advise its employees of their obligations and our commitment to hold people accountable for alcohol-related violations of law."

    My addition: "But we will continue to take in the gazillion dollars in advertising money and sponsorships that the beer and liquor companies want to pay us."
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  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    He is suspended "indefinitely"...
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/stor ... NHeadlines

    We'll see how long he is out.




    On a side note, one part of the article linked above made me think a little bit...

    From a Goodell memo to all teams:
    "In the past few years, I have not hesitated to impose discipline, including suspensions, on club and league employees who have violated the law relating to alcohol use. Every club should advise its employees of their obligations and our commitment to hold people accountable for alcohol-related violations of law."

    My addition: "But we will continue to take in the gazillion dollars in advertising money and sponsorships that the beer and liquor companies want to pay us."


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  • IrishJamIrishJam Posts: 307
    Seems to go on everywhere i think..
    Below is a link to a local case here....

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Eddie ... 5258819.jp
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