History of US involvement in Latin America

CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
edited July 2009 in A Moving Train
Guatemala - 1953-1954, 1960-1980

Costa Rica - Mid-1950s

Haiti - 1959-1963, 1986-1994 *

Ecuador - 1960-1963

Brazil - 1961-1964

Peru - 1960-1965

Dominican Republic - 1960-1966

Cuba - 1959 to 1980s

Uruguay - 1964-1970 *

Chile - 1964-1973

Bolivia - 1964-1975

Costa Rica - 1970-1971

Grenada - 1979-1984

Nicaragua - 1981-1990

Panama - 1969-1991

El Salvador - 1980-1994
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    edited June 2009
    Guatemala

    On May 23, 1997 the CIA released several hundred formerly classified documents pertaining to the United States involvement in the 1954 coup in Guatemala. (1)

    the CIA trained rebels in neighboring Nicaragua and Honduras and used them to overthrow the democratically elected Arbenz governement. The CIA installed a murderous military government.

    Later National Intelligence Estimate of July 26, 1955 was declassified.

    The violently overthrown Arbenz leadership was committed to land reform, democracy, and labor. The US installed Castillo Armas regime reversed everything. Democratic forms were dismantled, the labor movement, virtually "destroyed" and rural groups saw less help from the government. Denial of the "right to organize" was implemented.


    Later, Guatemala emerged as an independent capitalist regime, unacceptable to US interests.

    So the US cut off military aid and threatened to invade. Which forced Guatemala to go to the Soviets for arms. this is where is gets fucked up.
    "The US cut off military aid and threatened to attack, so that Guatemala turned to the Soviet Bloc for arms. Guatemala City Ambassador John Hill advised that the US could now take steps to bar "movement of arms and agents to Guatemala," stopping ships in international waters "to such an extent that it will disrupt Guatemala's economy". This would in turn "encourage the army or some other non-communist elements to seize power," or else "the communists will exploit the situation to extend their control," which would "justify the American community, or if they won't go along, the US to take strong measures."

    We thus compel Guatemala to defend itself from our threatened attack, thereby creating a threat to our security which we exploit by destroying the Guatemalan economy so as to provoke a military coup or an actual communist takeover which will justify our violent response-in self-defense.


    A little taste of US foreign policy.



    1)http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/guatemala.html
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    o forget it. have a good time
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Most involved the United Fruit Company.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    A shameful record of U.S contempt for democracy and human rights.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Byrnzie wrote:
    A shameful record of U.S contempt for democracy and human rights.
    just starting.
    i'm going to go down the list as i have time, and detail each one.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Check this out:

    John Pilger - 'The War on Democracy': http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9629840148


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_on_Democracy
    'The War on Democracy is a 2007 award-winning documentary film directed by Christopher Martin and John Pilger.[1] Focusing on the political state of Latin America, the film is a rebuke of both the United States' intervention in foreign countries' domestic politics, and its War on Terrorism...'
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Also:

    Though broadcast in 1987 the parallels with what's going on today are a real eye opener. It's also interesting to note Reagan admitting to being a terrorist, and a staunch supporter of death squads....

    'The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis':

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zf1p&hl=en



    The Secret Government:
    The Constitution in Crisis
    A PBS Documentary



    “The National Security Act of ‘47 gave us the National Security Council. Never have we had a National Security Council so concerned about the nation’s security that we’re always looking for threats and looking how to orchestrate our society to oppose those threats. National Security was invented, almost, in 1947, and now it has become the prime mover of everything we do as measured against something we invented in 1947."
    -- U.S. Navy Admiral Gene La Rocque in PBS Documentary "The Secret Government" (view free)


    In the revealing 22-minutes of the PBS documentary The Secret Government available for free viewing below, host Bill Moyers exposes the inner workings of a secret government much more vast that most people would ever imagine. Though originally broadcast in 1987, it is even more relevant today. Interviews with respected top military, intelligence, and government insiders reveal both the history and secret objectives of powerful groups in the hidden shadows of our government.

    If you take time to watch this engaging documentary and further explore some of the vast amount of reliable, verifiable information on WantToKnow.info, you will very likely come to the conclusion that there is a powerful shadow or secret government which manipulates global politics behind the scenes. Government bureaucracies are known for their inefficiency, yet it is their very well-organized and hierarchical military and intelligence services through which those involved with the secret government are able to implement their secret plans.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Also:

    Though broadcast in 1987 the parallels with what's going on today are a real eye opener. It's also interesting to note Reagan admitting to being a terrorist, and a staunch supporter of death squads....

    'The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis':

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zf1p&hl=en



    The Secret Government:
    The Constitution in Crisis
    A PBS Documentary



    “The National Security Act of ‘47 gave us the National Security Council. Never have we had a National Security Council so concerned about the nation’s security that we’re always looking for threats and looking how to orchestrate our society to oppose those threats. National Security was invented, almost, in 1947, and now it has become the prime mover of everything we do as measured against something we invented in 1947."
    -- U.S. Navy Admiral Gene La Rocque in PBS Documentary "The Secret Government" (view free)


    In the revealing 22-minutes of the PBS documentary The Secret Government available for free viewing below, host Bill Moyers exposes the inner workings of a secret government much more vast that most people would ever imagine. Though originally broadcast in 1987, it is even more relevant today. Interviews with respected top military, intelligence, and government insiders reveal both the history and secret objectives of powerful groups in the hidden shadows of our government.

    If you take time to watch this engaging documentary and further explore some of the vast amount of reliable, verifiable information on WantToKnow.info, you will very likely come to the conclusion that there is a powerful shadow or secret government which manipulates global politics behind the scenes. Government bureaucracies are known for their inefficiency, yet it is their very well-organized and hierarchical military and intelligence services through which those involved with the secret government are able to implement their secret plans.
    \


    the idea of a secret government (interesting and probable) isn't what this thread is about.


    i'm just going from what can be proven absolutely, things that deal with US involvement in South and Central America.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Also:

    Though broadcast in 1987 the parallels with what's going on today are a real eye opener. It's also interesting to note Reagan admitting to being a terrorist, and a staunch supporter of death squads....

    'The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis':

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zf1p&hl=en



    The Secret Government:
    The Constitution in Crisis
    A PBS Documentary



    “The National Security Act of ‘47 gave us the National Security Council. Never have we had a National Security Council so concerned about the nation’s security that we’re always looking for threats and looking how to orchestrate our society to oppose those threats. National Security was invented, almost, in 1947, and now it has become the prime mover of everything we do as measured against something we invented in 1947."
    -- U.S. Navy Admiral Gene La Rocque in PBS Documentary "The Secret Government" (view free)


    In the revealing 22-minutes of the PBS documentary The Secret Government available for free viewing below, host Bill Moyers exposes the inner workings of a secret government much more vast that most people would ever imagine. Though originally broadcast in 1987, it is even more relevant today. Interviews with respected top military, intelligence, and government insiders reveal both the history and secret objectives of powerful groups in the hidden shadows of our government.

    If you take time to watch this engaging documentary and further explore some of the vast amount of reliable, verifiable information on WantToKnow.info, you will very likely come to the conclusion that there is a powerful shadow or secret government which manipulates global politics behind the scenes. Government bureaucracies are known for their inefficiency, yet it is their very well-organized and hierarchical military and intelligence services through which those involved with the secret government are able to implement their secret plans.
    \


    the idea of a secret government (interesting and probable) isn't what this thread is about.


    i'm just going from what can be proven absolutely, things that deal with US involvement in South and Central America.

    Don't be put off by the title. The documentary is exactly what your thread is about. Watch it and see.

    You think these Central and South American governments were overthrown with fully open and accountable actions by the U.S government? No, they behaved covertly - secretly. This is what the documentary is about.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    LOL
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    wouldnt it be nice if the US got hit with one of those dirty bombs? we deserve it
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL

    Yeah, the decades long U.S oppression and murder of hundreds of thousands of people, including women and children, sure is something to laugh out loud about. It sure gives me a chuckle. Raping and murdering nuns, death squads wiping out whole villages, U.S tanks crushing civilians in the streets of Panama city and burying the bodies in mass graves, thousands tortured in Santiago's National stadium and 'disappeared'....what a hoot! :lol:
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL

    Yeah, the decades long U.S oppression and murder of hundreds of thousands of people, including women and children, sure is something to laugh out loud about. It sure gives me a chuckle. Raping and murdering nuns, death squads wiping out whole villages, U.S tanks crushing civilians in the streets of Panama city and burying the bodies in mass graves, thousands tortured in Santiago's National stadium and 'disappeared'....what a hoot! :lol:

    LOL ok whatever you say. this thread is joke
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this thread is joke

    Then don't post here.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    What exactly is a joke? Everything that has been posted is factual and true. Perhaps you care to live in an illusion where our government didn't actually carry out or participate in these actions, but that would be a false assumption. Rather than simply dismissing these facts, would you rather add content, reasons or details to why you think it is a joke?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL ok whatever you say. this thread is joke
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FiveB247x wrote:
    What exactly is a joke? Everything that has been posted is factual and true. Perhaps you care to live in an illusion where our government didn't actually carry out or participate in these actions, but that would be a false assumption. Rather than simply dismissing these facts, would you rather add content, reasons or details to why you think it is a joke?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL ok whatever you say. this thread is joke

    everything posted is from the 50s, 60s and 70s. what do we hope to accomplish by talking about things that happened decades and generations ago? most of which have little to any relevance today.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    everything posted is from the 50s, 60s and 70s. what do we hope to accomplish by talking about things that happened decades and generations ago? most of which have little to any relevance today.

    Actually most of America's crimes in Latin America were carried out during the Reagan years. The criminal invasion of Panama occurred in 1989. Also, the attempted U.S backed coup against Hugo Chavez occurred in 2002. Not exactly ancient history.

    But then only extremists discuss such things, right?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    everything posted is from the 50s, 60s and 70s. what do we hope to accomplish by talking about things that happened decades and generations ago? most of which have little to any relevance today.

    Actually most of America's crimes in Latin America were carried out during the Reagan years. The criminal invasion of Panama occurred in 1989. Also, the attempted U.S backed coup against Hugo Chavez occurred in 2002. Not exactly ancient history.

    But then, only extremists discuss such things, right?


    just making it up as you go along right? second of all, the invasion of Panama happened under Bush Sr. to remove Noriega. do you know anything about him? probably not other then he is a hero of yours for opposing the US. nevermind his background.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... _of_Panama

    In May '89, during the national elections, an alliance of parties opposed to the military dictatorship of Manuel Noriega counted results from the country's election precincts before they were sent to the district centers. Their tally showed their candidate, Guillermo Endara defeating Carlos Duque, candidate of a pro-Noriega coalition, by a nearly 3-to-1 margin. Endara was beaten up by Noriega supporters the next day.[2] Noriega declared the election null and maintained power by force, making him unpopular among Panamanians.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited June 2009
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the invasion of Panama happened under Bush Sr.

    No shit? :o
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

    In May '89, during the national elections, an alliance of parties opposed to the military dictatorship of Manuel Noriega counted results from the country's election precincts before they were sent to the district centers. Their tally showed their candidate, Guillermo Endara defeating Carlos Duque, candidate of a pro-Noriega coalition, by a nearly 3-to-1 margin. Endara was beaten up by Noriega supporters the next day.[2] Noriega declared the election null and maintained power by force, making him unpopular among Panamanians.

    You think that's why the U.S invaded Panama? You run a quick wiki search and that's the issue all nicely wrapped up? I won't even bother to ask if you watched the documentary that this thread was created as a response to. I think it's perfectly obvious that you didn't.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the invasion of Panama happened under Bush Sr.

    No shit? :o
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

    In May '89, during the national elections, an alliance of parties opposed to the military dictatorship of Manuel Noriega counted results from the country's election precincts before they were sent to the district centers. Their tally showed their candidate, Guillermo Endara defeating Carlos Duque, candidate of a pro-Noriega coalition, by a nearly 3-to-1 margin. Endara was beaten up by Noriega supporters the next day.[2] Noriega declared the election null and maintained power by force, making him unpopular among Panamanians.

    You think that's why the U.S invaded Panama? You run a quick wiki search and that's the issue all nicely wrapped up? I won't even bother to ask if you watched the documentary that this thread was created around. I think it's perfectly obvious that you didn't.


    because only your sources state the truth right? I've seen you use wiki countless times. it only tells the truth when its convenient for you. I get it now.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Well you are only particially corrent in making that assumption. Firstly, some of the events were from the time frame you mention, but some of them also were much recently (80's). But even with that stated, would you not agree that significant political involvement and engagements in the past 20-50yrs doesn't alter society? Would you not agree that Watergate, the Cold War or the Vietnam war or SE Asian ongoings had dramatic effects on US society (whether politically, socially, economically)? The answer is of course they have had varying repurcussions. So with that said, why would you possibly say serious actions and ongoings in various nations wouldn't matter because it's a specific time frame ago? The fact is, history shapes the future and if you don't learn and use history as a gage to help move forward, you won't be creating a future that is better. So speaking of any political event of the past has significance because it can be used as a model of either what to do or not to do in the present.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    What exactly is a joke? Everything that has been posted is factual and true. Perhaps you care to live in an illusion where our government didn't actually carry out or participate in these actions, but that would be a false assumption. Rather than simply dismissing these facts, would you rather add content, reasons or details to why you think it is a joke?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL ok whatever you say. this thread is joke

    everything posted is from the 50s, 60s and 70s. what do we hope to accomplish by talking about things that happened decades and generations ago? most of which have little to any relevance today.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wouldnt it be nice if the US got hit with one of those dirty bombs? we deserve it
    no need to go trolling just yet.

    haven't even got to the school of assassins.

    might want to save your trolling for that..


    by the way, i've only presented information, the fact that you're getting bent out of shape over this is interesting. it's only information.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wouldnt it be nice if the US got hit with one of those dirty bombs? we deserve it
    no need to go trolling just yet.

    haven't even got to the school of assassins.

    might want to save your trolling for that..


    by the way, i've only presented information, the fact that you're getting bent out of shape over this is interesting. it's only information.

    I already asked, what kind of discussion are you looking for here? the majority of the things you posted were from 30-50 years ago. are you just looking to get people like me to admit the US has made mistakes in the past? of course we have. but like I said, TODAY, south america is doing just fine except for Venezuela and Columbia.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    That's some interesting news that most of the world and South America would like to hear considering its not true. Economically as a whole, most the nations in South America are in terrible debt and politically many have serious issues in terms of stability, drug wars, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and varying other issues... but as long as you deem it "just fine" in order to make passing blasse comments to white-wash US actions over the course of 20-30-40 yrs, it must be legit right?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I already asked, what kind of discussion are you looking for here? the majority of the things you posted were from 30-50 years ago. are you just looking to get people like me to admit the US has made mistakes in the past? of course we have. but like I said, TODAY, south america is doing just fine except for Venezuela and Columbia.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's some interesting news that most of the world and South America would like to hear considering its not true. Economically as a whole, most the nations in South America are in terrible debt and politically many have serious issues in terms of stability, drug wars, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and varying other issues... but as long as you deem it "just fine" in order to make passing blasse comments to white-wash US actions over the course of 20-30-40 yrs, it must be legit right?

    America is in terrible debt too. so what?

    issues in terms of stability, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and other "various issues" have nothing to do with the US. the people have the ability to make their own choices in those countries without US interference.

    stop blaming the US for others poor choices.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ever read anything about the World Bank and International Montetary Funds interactions and dealing with South America? I take it you haven't because some of the biggest financial debacles in the world were at the helms (led by US and other industrial nations of the West), have legitimately created catastrophe's in places like Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia and a few others. These organization are run and mandated by the US government at the highest levels and have led to the long term economic, political and societial debacles many of these nations have faced for about the past 10-20 yrs.

    As for your comment about the US debt, such a comparsion shows your naitivity on the world of economics if you think our debt is anyhow the same as theirs. In fact, if we had the type of debt and cutbacks these nations face regularly, our population would have long ago overthrown the government. That's not a joke either - it's the absolute truth!


    jlew24asu wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's some interesting news that most of the world and South America would like to hear considering its not true. Economically as a whole, most the nations in South America are in terrible debt and politically many have serious issues in terms of stability, drug wars, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and varying other issues... but as long as you deem it "just fine" in order to make passing blasse comments to white-wash US actions over the course of 20-30-40 yrs, it must be legit right?

    America is in terrible debt too. so what?

    issues in terms of stability, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and other "various issues" have nothing to do with the US. the people have the ability to make their own choices in those countries without US interference.

    stop blaming the US for others poor choices.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ever read anything about the World Bank and International Montetary Funds interactions and dealing with South America? I take it you haven't because some of the biggest financial debacles in the world were at the helms (led by US and other industrial nations of the West), have legitimately created catastrophe's in places like Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia and a few others. These organization are run and mandated by the US government at the highest levels and have led to the long term economic, political and societial debacles many of these nations have faced for about the past 10-20 yrs.

    so now the IMF, World Bank, and UN = the US government. thats funny, but anway... you'll have to be more specific if you want to hold any credibility instead of just chest thumping that you've heard of the IMF and World Bank. so you dont like their lending standards? ok, how is that the fault of the US? the opposition south America has towards those banks are merely symbolic because of Chavez.

    did you know they are also starting their own World Bank called the Bank of the South? if the US was the almighty powerful, wouldnt we have the power to stop such a move?
    FiveB247x wrote:
    As for your comment about the US debt, such a comparsion shows your naitivity on the world of economics if you think our debt is anyhow the same as theirs. In fact, if we had the type of debt and cutbacks these nations face regularly, our population would have long ago overthrown the government. That's not a joke either - it's the absolute truth!

    debt is debt. and its a problem for them and us.
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    jlew24asu wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's some interesting news that most of the world and South America would like to hear considering its not true. Economically as a whole, most the nations in South America are in terrible debt and politically many have serious issues in terms of stability, drug wars, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and varying other issues... but as long as you deem it "just fine" in order to make passing blasse comments to white-wash US actions over the course of 20-30-40 yrs, it must be legit right?

    America is in terrible debt too. so what?

    issues in terms of stability, kidnapping, ridiculous separation wealth and other "various issues" have nothing to do with the US. the people have the ability to make their own choices in those countries without US interference.

    stop blaming the US for others poor choices.
    Read David Harvey's A Brief History of Neoliberalism and you will see that it was us who fucked up Chile's and Argentina's economy b/c we used those countries as testing grounds for a hands off, market based economy, and they imploded because of it...kind of like here. Oh and yes that is America's fault, at least partially.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RW81233 wrote:
    Read David Harvey's A Brief History of Neoliberalism and you will see that it was us who fucked up Chile's and Argentina's economy b/c we used those countries as testing grounds for a hands off, market based economy, and they imploded because of it...kind of like here. Oh and yes that is America's fault, at least partially.

    a free market economy is the way to go. and the only way to know how to run it is the hard way. a lesson even we learn from time to time. you people get so spooked by big bad capitalism. in the end its about freedom and choices. something that is taken away with socialism and communism.
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    how many times does free market capitalism have to fail before you see the reality that it is always doomed for failure. A good example of this failure is the whole reason why fire stations have to be governmentally run, b/c in a free market economy where you have to make profit to survive fire fighters would actually fight to put out a fire, and never put that fire out (see: gangs of new york for a simplistic view of this). Or why is it that obesity is prevalant in a an advanced society such as ours? A. Free Market economy. Under the direction of the Reagan administration the way that food companies were thought to be a success is by making more profit. How do you make more profit? Sell more food...now we, as a country, have become fat, diabetic, and need health care. Only insurance companies only make money by not giving out money, because of why? The free market economy. Again how many times does it have to fail before you get it?
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