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FOR THOSE OF YOU CONCERNED ABOUT EDDIE'S VOICE
Since the premier of the tonight show there have been a lot of eyebrows raised about the current condition and future of Eddie's voice. Now I know for a lot of us die-hards it can be a sensitive topic but I have no fear. Like I said, a lot of this commotion has come after the tonight show performance. I have watched Leno and Conan for years and have seen some great bands. I remember an episode of Leno where his musical guest (can't remember who it was, not a big name) explained how the tonight show studio works for musical performances. As I remember, it went something like this.
-band and crew arrives at the studio at roughly 9am where setup begins, introductions, greetings etc
-soundcheck takes place early, often right after setup (assume it takes them 2 hours to set up - that means soundcheck at about 11am)
-after that, in the directors eyes, the band is ready to go and the only job left is to keep them happy, fed and entertained until the recording
-The tonight show is FILMED AT 4PM
- Once cameras are rolling, the bands warmup nearly stops. I imagine its because their cant be crazy noise coming from backstage.
So put yourself in eddies shoes-
-chances are, they arrived in LA the day/night before
-he was probably up by 8am
-he had to do soundcheck at around 11am
-he then had 5 hours of "hanging out" maybe warming up?
-sure eddie can do whatever voice exercises he wants while the show is recording, but the band cant actually warm up at that time.
-boom, 4pm and its time to rock everyones socks off. No warming up with crazy mary, nothingman or man of the hour. Its one shot, show the world thew new stuff and play with the intention of making everyone fall in love with it.
What I'm really getting at is that the tonight show is not exactly a prime environment for live musical performances. The acoustics are terrible, and the studio size pales in comparison to the average pj venue, and probably the biggest kicker is the mess of a day the band has to go through before performing. However from a business perspective, its a great way to get your stuff out there.
I'll be in Toronto August 21st and I'm not one bit nervous..
I know Eddie and this band will live up to their reputation as one of the greatest bands ever to rock the stage.
Keep on Rockin,
Staz
-band and crew arrives at the studio at roughly 9am where setup begins, introductions, greetings etc
-soundcheck takes place early, often right after setup (assume it takes them 2 hours to set up - that means soundcheck at about 11am)
-after that, in the directors eyes, the band is ready to go and the only job left is to keep them happy, fed and entertained until the recording
-The tonight show is FILMED AT 4PM
- Once cameras are rolling, the bands warmup nearly stops. I imagine its because their cant be crazy noise coming from backstage.
So put yourself in eddies shoes-
-chances are, they arrived in LA the day/night before
-he was probably up by 8am
-he had to do soundcheck at around 11am
-he then had 5 hours of "hanging out" maybe warming up?
-sure eddie can do whatever voice exercises he wants while the show is recording, but the band cant actually warm up at that time.
-boom, 4pm and its time to rock everyones socks off. No warming up with crazy mary, nothingman or man of the hour. Its one shot, show the world thew new stuff and play with the intention of making everyone fall in love with it.
What I'm really getting at is that the tonight show is not exactly a prime environment for live musical performances. The acoustics are terrible, and the studio size pales in comparison to the average pj venue, and probably the biggest kicker is the mess of a day the band has to go through before performing. However from a business perspective, its a great way to get your stuff out there.
I'll be in Toronto August 21st and I'm not one bit nervous..
I know Eddie and this band will live up to their reputation as one of the greatest bands ever to rock the stage.
Keep on Rockin,
Staz
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG443N7lo4Q
Listen to him sing "you play with our world, like it was your little toy.".. He cant hit anything high at all.
and that was an EASY song to sing. He did just fine on the '05, '06 and '08 tours..
see you in toronto!
I definitely thought that the acoustics in genearl for Get Some were pretty terrible, at first I thought this was because I saw it on the computer but it was equally bad in the UK CNBC re-run.
Also, in the second song they did, rockin' in the free world, his voice was noticeably better - perhaps he was more warmed up or perhaps he was just more comfortable with the song.
I'm not worried about his voice one bit! Looking forward to 18th of august at the o2!!!
the same can pretty much be said for any talk-show studio. in any given episode people talk for 55 minutes and the band plays for 5. What do you think they will tune their sound for?
I guess thats why they're called talk shows
fair enough - just saying its not a fair reflection of the song is all -the guitars even seemed quite muddy which is something that would never be allowed to happen in a studio album.
In 2008 the band sounded fantastic, but it sounded like his voice could have gone at any moment. This is what really raised my eyebrows at this issue (solo shows are a different pace/style of singing). I wonder if the other band members have ever approached him about the current path/future of his voice?
I think it is such a sensitive issue around here because so many people are emotionally invested in his voice, myself included.
Sorry if my last post came across as snappy, I was just furthering my previous point. but ya i totally agree with what you're saying. I'm super pumped to hear the studio version...whenever its released
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And this is my point. His voice sounded fine in 2008. It did not sound "like it could go at any minute," not any more so than on previous tours.
I would have been more concerned about "the future of Ed's voice" back in 1995 when he was blowing it out every night. Since then, he's learned to control it, harness it and save it better.
Fact is, he's not going to sing "Evenflow" like you remember it in 1992. He's just not. He's going to actually sing it, instead of growl it. I think what some people are mistaking for "Ed losing his voice" is actually "Ed learning how to fucking sing."
for the least they could possibly do
I would have been more concerned about "the future of Ed's voice" back in 1995 when he was blowing it out every night. Since then, he's learned to control it, harness it and save it better.
Fact is, he's not going to sing "Evenflow" like you remember it in 1992. He's just not. He's going to actually sing it, instead of growl it. I think what some people are mistaking for "Ed losing his voice" is actually "Ed learning how to fucking sing."[/quote]
AMEN!
Couldn't agree more
Ed could never sing Evacuation consistently. It's a fucking hard song to sing. That's why they never play it.
My God. Ed at the VH1 Rock Honors was one of the best performances I've ever heard from any singer at any time. That was less than 12 months ago. I find it hard to believe his voice is shot all of a sudden.
I've been listening to my 2008 boots constantly of late. I don't need to listen to them again. He sounds fine.
Average at best? What does that even mean? I'd like to hear who you believe to be an "average" singer. Because there are a shitload of people Ed sounds better than with one vocal chord ripped out.
for the least they could possibly do
my point exactly...we just got a taste, there's plenty more to come
This is probably the best performance of Master's Of War. The band was so god damn into it and Ed sang with such conviction and fervence. Straight from his gut and out of his mouth came the vocals that were equivalent to the despair and graveness of this song. Ed sang this song brilliantly.
There are no bad voice days for Ed Vedder.
I think you need to shut the fuck up about your so called concerns.
Ed can sing.
Peace,
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Hmm, Eddie is certainly not losing his voice but come on, he certainly didnt 'learn' how to sing even flow in the later years. Dude sounds flat and all the soul he once put into the song is lost. Eddie is still soulful, but most often this is on the slower songs where he can slow down and use his lower registers. Eddie was a fine singer back in 1992 and he is a fine singer now. He has just adapted his delivery to what his voice allows him to do.
Sometimes he does surprise me though.. That VH1 rock honors the who had a Eddie is rare form! Would love to see more delivery like that from Eddie. Signature pj!
Do you have any examples?
As someone mentioned earlier, go listen to some shows from '95, even the legendary ones like Soldier Field. THAT was painful.
for the least they could possibly do
Evenflow might be a bad example. But the '90-'95 Ed was all growls and screams. Which was fine for the time. But it isn't singing per se. When I was a kid growing up, I thought it was cool that you didn't have to know how to sing to be the biggest rock star in the world. It fit with the "grunge" ethos.
But 2008 Ed sings that guy under the table.
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totally agree and did they play Evacuation in 08 ? what show and everytime you hear mike or anyother memeber talk about ed they couldn't be happier with the way he sings these days i don't get this paranoia i just don't :roll: ...
They did play Evacuation a couple times in '08. I know once it was aborted because either Mike or Stone couldn't remember the guitar parts. Ed made a joke about "evacuating" the song.
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