Paperless "Ticket" system..going to be tested *NOT ON PJ*
toddiet123
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I was reading on Billboard.com that Miley Cyrus (i know i know) is headed out on tour and ticketmaster is going to try a paperless system
it reads:
Ticketmaster is using the Cyrus tour to rollout its biggest experiment in paperless ticketing yet in an effort to limit ticket scalping. According to a press release, "All tickets will be sold exclusively through paperless ticket delivery which means fans will not receive a physical concert ticket for their entry into the event." Ticket buyers will be required to bring the credit card used making the purchase and a photo ID to the concert venue in order to gain entry. All groups must enter the concerts together, and ushers will issue "seat locator slips."
I think bigger tours will see this sooner than later..again..ignore the "artist" but the idea sounds like its about time..if you buy the tickets you go in with your tickets..
it reads:
Ticketmaster is using the Cyrus tour to rollout its biggest experiment in paperless ticketing yet in an effort to limit ticket scalping. According to a press release, "All tickets will be sold exclusively through paperless ticket delivery which means fans will not receive a physical concert ticket for their entry into the event." Ticket buyers will be required to bring the credit card used making the purchase and a photo ID to the concert venue in order to gain entry. All groups must enter the concerts together, and ushers will issue "seat locator slips."
I think bigger tours will see this sooner than later..again..ignore the "artist" but the idea sounds like its about time..if you buy the tickets you go in with your tickets..
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You must upload a photo of the people using the tickets to TM in advance of buying tickets. The photo is printed on the ticket. Voila - your ticket is ID'd to you and you alone.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I don't like the idea of forcing people to go in as a group too - what if one person is at work and has to meet em there a little later? They'll need to work that one out. I could go on about this but have to go home because work is over!
ps i love CJ's photo idea - OR at least require a name and photo id reference. Not sure I want my mug on my ticket. :P
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If I buy 4 tickets to a concert, but something happens and I can't attend, then the 3 other people planning to go with me are screwed because I'm not physically present with my credit card.
With most tickets going on sale months ahead of time, all kinds of reasons can come up where the purchaser can't attend by the time the show rolls around.
You can no longer buy tickets as gifts unless you plan to attend or buy some for others who may not be available at the time they go on sale.
People that don't have a problem paying big money for good seats will have no chance at them unless they miraculously get through on Ticketmaster's site the second they go on sale.
The lines on the night of the show will be ridiculous, and the venues certainly don't favor this system.
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Great idea!
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I'm going to see No Doubt next week and have to pick up my ticket at the venue with ID and the credit card used plus my name will be printed on the ticket
Problem is if you can't make it for whatever reason (work, sick, another concert shows up on the same day, whatever)...then you're screwed out of your ticket.
So they need a re-buy policy to go with this (how much you want to bet they'll do it for an 'insurance' fee of several $? :evil: )
Aside from the fact it's outrageous they're charging as much for a print-yourself ticket as for sending you one recorded. (so I ALWAYS opt to get it sent just to annoy them).
I'm all for screwing scalpers but I see this as more a way to make more profit for TM.
you have to register with a photo and keep that photo fairly up-to-date (with manual checks to see that when a photo is changed it's the same person).
you could designate people as friends (that also need to register their photo) and if for whatever reason you can't make it to the show you purchased (or simply buy several tickets), you can freely transfer it to someone on your friends list or even a friend of friend (but not to someone that wasn't on that list when you buy the ticket, so scalpers can't cheat it).
And there'd also be a rebuy policy if you can't find a friend to take it (maybe with a minimal fee if not sold out, and within a certain period from the show, maybe with a limited number of exchange per year.. something to limit abuse anyway whilst staying flexible).
Then the photo would be printed on the ticket or even better if venues could be convinced to participate (they could better control banned people after all), have a reader that shows the photo when it scans the ticket (so no photo on the ticket, much harder to defraud and better for using print-yourself or SMS tickets).
I know I'd buy all my tickets from an agency like that (assuming they don't hammer the booking fees)!
teh scalpers would avoid it, but then that's the point
1. arent all Miley Cyrus fans aged 11?
2. would that mean a parent would have to suffer her concerts?
3. if 1 and 2 are both a yes, wouldnt that mean all kids who go to concerts would have to have their parent come with them?
4. not everyone has a credit card.
5. i vote for retina scans and a simple DNA test
You don't think that would be a logistic nightmare? "Hey, that doesn't look like you, so we aren't letting you in"
But if you are allowed to transfer, it does nothing to prevent scalping...
The paperless tickets are a good step as far as stopping scalping for the the prime seats (first 20 rows or something like that), but to implement it for the entire building seems like a nightmare.
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How'd they go about that??
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
It worked pretty well...but since I collect ticket stubs I didn't like the paper they gave me at the door.
Why would TM wanna combat scalping when they are one of the worst offenders (ticketsnow)
You know they will still allow people to resell tickets on TicketsNOW, because TM gets a cut ... and via that site, I'm sure you'll be able to transfer the rights of tickets from one credit card to another.
My guess, this won't make things any better.
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Here's the solution...
Be able to "sell" your tickets back to Ticketmaster and they offer them back to the general public (for face value!). If someone purchases them, youre off the hook. (minus a small fee, of course...lets say 20 bucks for the seller and 10 bucks for the new buyer)
If no one buys them, you eat the difference...shit happens.
There is no "perfect" system, but that would work. The only problem is making Ticketmaster do something they would probably not agree to.
I bought a shirt a while back with a debit card, it didn't fit, so I tried to return it. Upon returning it I needed to present the same card is used to pay for it. I did so and was promptly told it was the wrong card and I couldn't return my shirt. The cashier informed me that the numbers on the card didn't match up. I told her of course they didn't match, my old card had expired and they sent me a new card. I assured her that it was the same account but when the bank issues a new card they give you a new number. Well, it didn't matter, the numbers didn't matter so tough shit.
I can see this very thing happening with these so-called paperless tickets. And I can just imagine the lines of angry concert goers that can't get their tickets because of something like this.
To say nothing of people who want to give tickets as gifts or when something comes up at the last minute and you need to unload tickets on your friends, etc.
I just see way too many possibilities for this to go horribly wrong. I know the intent is benevolent, but scalpers are just a part of life for concerts and sporting events. I don't think anything is going to change that.
Agree 100%
Perhaps there should be a layaway option then?
"You need the patience of like a National Geographic photographer sitting underneath the bush in a tent, trying to get a picture of zebras fucking or something for the first time." -Eddie Vedder
I understand your point and too some degree I support what your saying but the example of the shirt is more an over zealous till worker. I am high up in retail management and its not the norm to be so rediculous, if you had asked for the manager you would have likely got your refund. Secondly its illegal to sell tickets on for sporting events and there is the difference between sporting and music events. Sports fans have a chance because you do not get loads of touts outside a Liverpool football match. Things would be in my opinion much better if it was restricted on how we can buy tickets.
Not with the Miley Cyrus show. It's up to the artists if they want to allow paperless to be scalped.
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