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PJ needs to follow the Phish bootleg system.

InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
edited June 2009 in The Porch
I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,223
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

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  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    benjs wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.


    Word, that makes sense you can barely hear the crowd on the Fenway boot. (Phenomenal show by the way)
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    I will be curious to see if there is a new bootleg system they are trying out for this tour- assuming and hoping that there will be boots
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,223
    Oxxys wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.


    Word, that makes sense you can barely hear the crowd on the Fenway boot. (Phenomenal show by the way)
    Yeah.. It's a bit of a bummer they only SBD - you'd think that as a hugely popular band with a following that loves the live shows, they'd work on getting better quality boots out there. I'm excited... driving down to Burgettstown, Pennsylvania later this month to see Phish for my first time. I'm not expecting a Pearl Jam-esque eye opening, but it should be a good time!
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
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  • ewokpeltsewokpelts Posts: 730
    um....they do.
  • DesignVHLDesignVHL Posts: 297
    edited June 2009
    I agree with ben - I love phish (and VERY much enjoyed the live iphone broadcast last night). However with boots, I think PJ's definitely sound better in quality and richness. They are not rushed, and it IS a nice mix of sbd and mikes! It is cool to get the phish shows immediately though - but obviously the quality suffers.

    Personally, I'm more willing to buy an official PJ boot than a Phish boot. I used to buy the Phish boots, but they do sound flat, or flatter to me than the audience recordings, and the quality over the years remains the same. I just hit etree or some other non-crappy torrent site for my Phish. :D Plus I can't afford to buy every official recording by my two fav bands each year as it is, lol!

    But I do think it would be a great idea for phish to start officially taping with mikes and mixing those recordings into the boots - they would sound better - and could probably still get them up with in 2-3 days. There is no doubt that is possible.

    On another note, I'd like to see Phish create a similar fan club like the 10c...
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Yes, please fix the boots. The 2008 boots sound awful, especially the Florida shows.
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  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    benjs wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.
    Interesting. I didnt know that.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    Would love a copy of Fenway- down for a trade Onyx, just let me know
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  • DesignVHLDesignVHL Posts: 297
    Lukin, you should check out last night's setlist from Great Woods (esp set 2) also - imho much better than the Fenway show - which obviously has its historic moments - and it's cool they played there.
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  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    DesignVHL wrote:
    Lukin, you should check out last night's setlist from Great Woods (esp set 2) also - imho much better than the Fenway show - which obviously has its historic moments - and it's cool they played there.


    They played Jones Beach last night Great Woods is saturday.
    Out of the Blue and Into the Black................Uncle Neil Philly 08 here I come!!!!
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    DesignVHL wrote:
    Lukin, you should check out last night's setlist from Great Woods (esp set 2) also - imho much better than the Fenway show - which obviously has its historic moments - and it's cool they played there.
    cool, will do
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  • edvedderrocksedvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    Phish may have gotten the idea from the (grateful) dead. They sold wristbands before each show - 125 I think, - and you picked up your copy 20 minutes after the show was over. Can you imagine the chaos if Pearl Jam did that! The poster lines would be a piece of cake in comparison...
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  • DesignVHLDesignVHL Posts: 297
    edited June 2009
    Oxxys wrote:
    DesignVHL wrote:
    Lukin, you should check out last night's setlist from Great Woods (esp set 2) also - imho much better than the Fenway show - which obviously has its historic moments - and it's cool they played there.


    They played Jones Beach last night Great Woods is saturday.

    lol yep, I had a brain fart! There are 3 JB shows. http://phish.com/tourdates/

    Here's last nights setlist:

    Set One

    * Runaway Jim
    * Foam
    * Stealing Time From The Faulty Plan^
    * Timber
    * Cities
    * Driver
    * Reba
    * Possum
    * Farmhouse
    * If I Could

    Set Two

    * Mike's Song >
    * Simple >
    * Wolfman's Brother >
    * Weekapaug Groove
    * When the Circus Comes
    * Kill Devil Falls^
    * Harry Hood >
    * Loving Cup

    Encore

    * Suzy Greenberg

    Show Notes

    ^ first time played

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,952
    Good to see some PJ fans that like Phish. Going to be a busy summer with both bands touring.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    edited June 2009
    benjs wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.


    It would be relatively easy for PJ to include an audio "matrix" mix with audience mics.

    I believe the problem is more that Venue A may need more bass into the speakers than Venue B, or less drums because there's enough natural acoustics, etc. Those differences would make their way onto the boots. The way PJ has done it is to have a completely separate mix just for the boots which has nothing to do with the mix which goes thru the PA system for the venue... which makes sense to me.
    Post edited by CJMST3K on
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,223
    CJMST3K wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I downloaded offical boot from last night's show this morning and am listening to it right now. That would be sick if Pearl Jam did that this tour!
    The problem with Phish's system, I find, is that they ONLY use soundboard sources, which gives their live bootlegs a relatively impersonal feel to them, void of any inkling of a live feel (close to zero crowd noise etc.). Pearl Jam, I believe, mixes in both mics placed in the crowd in various places, as well as their own soundboard sources. It makes it feel a lot more "real", but it takes longer to mix.


    It would be relatively easy for PJ to include an audio "matrix" mix with audience mics.
    I was under the impression that Pearl Jam already does that - I was commenting on the fact that we wait longer for our bootlegs than Phish fans specifically for that reason.
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  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    I had a Great Woods ticket for saturday, but unfortunately I can't find a ride out there. Bummer.
    Out of the Blue and Into the Black................Uncle Neil Philly 08 here I come!!!!
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    benjs wrote:
    I was under the impression that Pearl Jam already does that - I was commenting on the fact that we wait longer for our bootlegs than Phish fans specifically for that reason.

    I edited my post. I believe because they have separate mixing boards for the separate needs requires a delay to accomplish the separate mixing. Would be nice to have immediate access though.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,952
    Oxxys wrote:
    I had a Great Woods ticket for saturday, but unfortunately I can't find a ride out there. Bummer.

    That stinks, I have a bunch of buddies coming into Philly for the show on Sunday but I will be in Vegas. Guess if I have to be somewhere that is an okay place to be but can't wait to see them again and it looks like I am going to have to wait till August now.
  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I had a Great Woods ticket for saturday, but unfortunately I can't find a ride out there. Bummer.

    That stinks, I have a bunch of buddies coming into Philly for the show on Sunday but I will be in Vegas. Guess if I have to be somewhere that is an okay place to be but can't wait to see them again and it looks like I am going to have to wait till August now.


    Just my opinion.....you should see them on Sunday! I saw them at Fenway a couple days ago and they sounded fantastic. Its like pre-hiatus phish is back again!!!
    Out of the Blue and Into the Black................Uncle Neil Philly 08 here I come!!!!
  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    Ed Ved in Albany next Monday and Tuseday along with the 2 sets at the roo will more than hold me over though!
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,952
    Oxxys wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Oxxys wrote:
    I had a Great Woods ticket for saturday, but unfortunately I can't find a ride out there. Bummer.

    That stinks, I have a bunch of buddies coming into Philly for the show on Sunday but I will be in Vegas. Guess if I have to be somewhere that is an okay place to be but can't wait to see them again and it looks like I am going to have to wait till August now.


    Just my opinion.....you should see them on Sunday! I saw them at Fenway a couple days ago and they sounded fantastic. Its like pre-hiatus phish is back again!!!

    Yeah, I hear they sound great. All I have listened to so far were the Hampton shows, which I thought were really tight. I had a couple friends at the Fenway show (they were all decked out in Yankees gear) and they said they were awesome. I would definitely get out of Vegas if it were a normal trip, but my girlfriend is flying me out for a bit of a birthday bash. Right now I have tickets for Darien Lake and SPAC (which should be awesome).
  • DesignVHLDesignVHL Posts: 297
    Despite the point earlier about mixing SBD and AUD, I have to say, last nights official sbd boot does sound fantastic. I am curious as to how the PJ ones would sound if they put them out in the same manner (and as quickly). These bands have dramatically different sounds, so I do wonder if what works for Phish, may not necessarily work for PJ. Hmm.
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