The local alternative station didn't know about it. I don't think many people did. Amazing they could keep such a high profile act secret in this day and age.
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
Allow me to deconstruct this... 1. if we take this to its logical conclusion the band never tours in any real capacity ever because, ticketmaster. 2. choosing where and when you apply yourself vs. a plane flying over your concert unsolicited with part of one of YOUR lyrics on the banner, vastly different, lack of control. 3. this is not an endorsement of credit cards, it is a concert that is a feature of members of livenation (ie ticketmaster) who are citicard holders 4. Sonos makes speakers for home entertainment systems, pearl jam makes music. Logical fit. 5. I doubt you will see any of them in a cadillac commercial despite their being in a Target commercial a decade ago. 6. conflation
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
I understand your point. Those times are long gone now. Just gotta move on.
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
I understand your point. Those times are long gone now. Just gotta move on.
I didn't say I hate them now because of this.lol. They are still my favorite band of course. I'm a free market guy. More power to him/them. I just find it amusing. It's Evolution baby. Yes time to move on.
Not sure the surprise here for corporate/birthday hired events as has been going on for at least the past decade and I believe even longer. With social media, perhaps just more public now.
I'm well aware that PJ played private gigs for Target and Oracle within the last 10 years... I think that sucks too, thought it did at the time... I'm pretty consistent on this issue lol... but for EV to play a private gig for a banking giant like Citi? Sweet fucking Jesus
That's why they keep this stuff quiet, because it reeks of selloutishness. Just to be frank
My understanding was that this was a show for people who have Citi credit cards. not necessarily a "corporate" gig like Oracle and Target. In other words any Citi cardholder had an opportunity to get to this show. Me, you, Dimi, etc
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
Who cares? Good for him. This is a business. If you don’t like it, don’t buy into it. Did he get paid? Fuck yes he did, you know why? Because this is his JOB.
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My understanding was that this was a show for people who have Citi credit cards. not necessarily a "corporate" gig like Oracle and Target. In other words any Citi cardholder had an opportunity to get to this show. Me, you, Dimi, etc
To be fair, I am not sure "any" Citi cardholder could go, but it certainly is vastly different than the idea being portrayed that he played for the bankers.
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My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
Who cares? Good for him. This is a business. If you don’t like it, don’t buy into it. Did he get paid? Fuck yes he did, you know why? Because this is his JOB.
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm depressed that's perfect." Then played the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized
My, my, my, how times have changed. There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
PJ has done the odd "corporate" show over the last 17 years. I assumed there's a good reason when they do it. Maybe they're friends with someone running the event... maybe they're giving whatever they get paid to charity.. etc...
The Vancouver 2000 show I went to was a promo from the local radio station CFOX. You either had to be famous or win tickets from the radio station to go. I still have no idea how CFOX talked PJ into playing a bar show, or how much it would of cost them to get them to do so... it was still pretty cool
cool, is this going to be the 2016 xmas single then?
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One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized
So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.
Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.
Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.
Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.
There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized
So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.
Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.
Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.
Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.
There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.
I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized
So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.
Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.
Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.
Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.
There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.
I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?
I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?
You can't even seem to acknowledge that he was playing at a concert series that is designed for the cardholders who pay for a certain tier of access to Live Nation events and you want me to explain nuance? What it means is, everything is not cold hard black and white.
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http://live105.cbslocal.com/2017/11/07/eddie-vedder-played-an-intimate-solo-show-in-san-francisco-monday-night/
There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.
1. if we take this to its logical conclusion the band never tours in any real capacity ever because, ticketmaster.
2. choosing where and when you apply yourself vs. a plane flying over your concert unsolicited with part of one of YOUR lyrics on the banner, vastly different, lack of control.
3. this is not an endorsement of credit cards, it is a concert that is a feature of members of livenation (ie ticketmaster) who are citicard holders
4. Sonos makes speakers for home entertainment systems, pearl jam makes music. Logical fit.
5. I doubt you will see any of them in a cadillac commercial despite their being in a Target commercial a decade ago.
6. conflation
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Yes time to move on.
Eddie Vedder playing a private gig for Citigroup? strange times
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That's why they keep this stuff quiet, because it reeks of selloutishness. Just to be frank
In other words any Citi cardholder had an opportunity to get to this show. Me, you, Dimi, etc
EV done gigs for salesforce.com in Hawaii, an event at Cannes this summer, Your house? http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/7420/eddie-vedder/
He's the person with the talent and for all we know he donates all the $ he gets to causes he supports.
SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
Has anyone seen a set list yet? Just always curious what he played.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
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The Vancouver 2000 show I went to was a promo from the local radio station CFOX. You either had to be famous or win tickets from the radio station to go. I still have no idea how CFOX talked PJ into playing a bar show, or how much it would of cost them to get them to do so... it was still pretty cool
Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.
Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.
Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.
There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652