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Backspacer - Where are the riffs?
jonbond1779
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Anyone else noticed that there are no riffs on this album!! WTF????
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Mmm.. Supersonic? Force of Nature?
Johnny Guitar?
The Fixer?
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are you serious? do you know what a riff is?
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I think you may be a bit fuzzy on the definition of "riffs." I think there are plenty on this album.
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He changed that to best "patterns" he has ever done. If you listen closely you can hear them throughout the verses. I like his little pattern in supersonic, sounds like its from the wild west.
personally, i think mike was in the bahamas during the recording of the album........
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Gotcha. Well... I could go for some more solos. I like what we get in Amongst the Waves but even that could have been longer.
I'm going to make this my last complaint about length... but its really the only problem with the album and one I think they could have easily overcome... Just give us more. We love you... give us longer songs. Johnny Guitar to me seems to end at the half way point. How about a wild Matt Camera drum bonanza. Take a page out of Jack Irons book and gimme a track that's a red dot... Something... Filler is cool with me. I just wanna be able to knock out 60 miles on the freeway listening to one album.
Their albums have been pretty short on solos since 1994.
I don't hear many riffs, either, but there is plenty of Mike here.
When I say riffs I mean the distinctive melodic figure that runs throughout the song..like, Jeremy, Alive, In Hiding, Given to Fly, Leash, Yellow Ledbetter, Corduroy and so on....
Its just that Backspacer (with the expection of the ballads) has no real memorable riffs or hooks...Dont get me wrong, I think its a great album and Im so happy we have more PJ to add to our collections but the songs seem to basic!
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Yep. They're in Stone's pocket which Ed has ordered to keep closed.
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That is one of the most intelligent things I've read here in a long time. I keep seeing posts bemoaning the lack of Mike solos - Vs was the last album where Mike was regularly set up to let rip. Since then he has usually coloured songs rather than led them, or added solos to live versions, like Corduroy. Backspacer is no different, but does feature one of his best ever on Amongst The Waves.
Backspacer has plenty of distinctive riffs, melodies, whatever you want to call them.
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There are a few minor rifflets, but nothing that just screams RRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIFFFFF!!!!!!!, like the old days.
Oh man. I'm gonna leave this alone.....no i'm not. In hiding does not have riffs, a "hook" is usually a catchy chorus that tends major as opposed to minor and this album is clearly full of those (8 out of 11 songs have a clear hook.....SOME HAVE 2 different kinds of hook). I'll give you that the songs are basic in structure but the individual parts are not basic at all. I think we know what you basically mean but you might want to brush up on your garage band jargon.
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Oh man......the chord progressions are pretty easy to figure out, i'll give you that. But how long do you think it would take you to figure out each guitar part. There's a lot of neat stuff in there and it's not super easy stuff that they're doing there.
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Maybe stone jut got preoccupied with Hank songs??
I think you more so mean "licks" Any song with guitar in it has a riff..... I know what you are saying but riff is generalizing it to much.. I think this album was definitely lacking powerful lead and yes, stone usually offers more "defining" licks that kind of separate the songs from each other..
I enjoy the neat stuff. Their placements are candy to my ear.
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i humbly disagree. Mike kills on pretty much every song on riot act (i think he has a legitimate solo in all but like 2 songs) and on most of s/t.
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no memorable hooks? this album is more poppy, catchy and melodic than any PJ album in years!
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This gripe might have made sense in 1994 or 1996. It's kind of ridiculous now. Ten and Versus followed on the heels of 70's and 80's arena rock. The band hasn't been making music like that for a long time so all the criticisms just sound like a broken record. There's still some riffing to be found: Supersonic breakdown, Amongst the Waves, the outro on Johnny Guitar...
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This is the first thing I noticed... The mix was really heavy on vocal presence... I miss the balance...
There are riffs there... Chunkier, tighter... I think the miss-my-"memorable" riffness comes from being exposed to extended riffs that take over measure after measure and stick in your craw... Think Disadent and Given to Fly and Whipping... These are more like Corduroy... tight little numbers.
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