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RL200920
RL200920 Posts: 67
edited August 2009 in The Porch
Pearl Jam should retire Even Flow and Alive from the setlists.......








































You're crazy.
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  • pineapplesandwaves.
    pineapplesandwaves. GTA Posts: 1,808
    Hear, hear!
  • irish1313
    irish1313 Michigan Posts: 118
    +1
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  • eddies in my tree
    eddies in my tree Posts: 486
    why does anyone want ANY songs to be retired? are they not the same songs that got you to like pj? i dont understand why i keep reading all these posts about songs that should be "retired" i think if these people didnt go to 10 shows per tour they would think differently. i would love to go to that many shows per tour but i still wouldnt mind hearing anything pj plays.
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  • RL200920
    RL200920 Posts: 67
    eddies in my tree wrote:
    why does anyone want ANY songs to be retired? are they not the same songs that got you to like pj? i dont understand why i keep reading all these posts about songs that should be "retired" i think if these people didnt go to 10 shows per tour they would think differently. i would love to go to that many shows per tour but i still wouldnt mind hearing anything pj plays.

    you my friend....just read my mind.
  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    Maybe not retire, but maybe play them as often as everything else on other albums.. like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man... some of those songs you just know you're going to hear.

    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.
  • restlesssoul
    restlesssoul Posts: 6,952
    drsluggo wrote:
    like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man..
    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.


    i would go for that.
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  • pineapplesandwaves.
    pineapplesandwaves. GTA Posts: 1,808
    eddies in my tree wrote:
    why does anyone want ANY songs to be retired? are they not the same songs that got you to like pj? i dont understand why i keep reading all these posts about songs that should be "retired" i think if these people didnt go to 10 shows per tour they would think differently. i would love to go to that many shows per tour but i still wouldnt mind hearing anything pj plays.

    That's exactly how I feel. People turn their noses up at the songs that got them into Pearl Jam in the first place.

    There are certain songs that Pearl Jam clearly love to play, so why deny the guys that?
  • eddies in my tree
    eddies in my tree Posts: 486
    drsluggo wrote:
    Maybe not retire, but maybe play them as often as everything else on other albums.. like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man... some of those songs you just know you're going to hear.

    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.

    dont forget, they play the so called "greatest hits" so they can get fans in the doors. alive is a crowd pleaser, betterman is the "sing along" if they palyed all the b-sides everynight all you would hear is "why dont they play the greatest hits more often" its a lose lose with some of you. check out aerosmiths sets. ive seen them 7 times and they play the same set everynight on every tour give or take maybe one or 2 songs. but im a fan and will continue to go see them. pj gives us a different set EVERYNIGHT never repeated.
    a wise man investigates what a fool passes by

    4/26/03 - pittsburgh
    4/28/03 - philly
    7/05/03 - camden
    7/12/03 - hershey
    5/28/06 - camden
    5/20/10 - msg
    5/21/10 - msg
    6/25/11 - upper darby - EV
  • RL200920
    RL200920 Posts: 67
    drsluggo wrote:
    Maybe not retire, but maybe play them as often as everything else on other albums.. like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man... some of those songs you just know you're going to hear.

    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.

    I see where you're coming from. I just hear so many people on this board saying drop even flow, drop alive...it drive me bonkers...cause to this day, I still get chills up my spine when they play the opening riff to Alive...granted, i've only been to a handfull of shows, but i've been a fan since I was 14 and own a shitload of bootlegs...I just think they are staples that belong in the setlist.

    Once, Even Flow, Alive on cassette tape...the first 3 real songs of my life...
  • AtlantaJammer
    AtlantaJammer Posts: 2,611
    eddies in my tree wrote:
    drsluggo wrote:
    Maybe not retire, but maybe play them as often as everything else on other albums.. like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man... some of those songs you just know you're going to hear.

    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.

    dont forget, they play the so called "greatest hits" so they can get fans in the doors. alive is a crowd pleaser, betterman is the "sing along" if they palyed all the b-sides everynight all you would hear is "why dont they play the greatest hits more often" its a lose lose with some of you. check out aerosmiths sets. ive seen them 7 times and they play the same set everynight on every tour give or take maybe one or 2 songs. but im a fan and will continue to go see them. pj gives us a different set EVERYNIGHT never repeated.


    You are absolutely right! No question. I love anything live by PJ! When it comes to boots on the other hand, I skip a few... I cant remember tha last time I let Betterman/Daughter/Small Town/Daughter/Even Flow etc. play through on a boot. Honest, yeaaaaaars.... But, I cant bring myslef to turn the radio station once I hear them...
  • PJ Fan est. 1990
    PJ Fan est. 1990 Posts: 1,788
    eddies in my tree wrote:
    drsluggo wrote:
    Maybe not retire, but maybe play them as often as everything else on other albums.. like even flow once a city and not every show. Same with Alive and Better Man... some of those songs you just know you're going to hear.

    They have so many 'greatest hits' these days they can split them up a whole lot better and still please everyone.

    dont forget, they play the so called "greatest hits" so they can get fans in the doors. alive is a crowd pleaser, betterman is the "sing along" if they palyed all the b-sides everynight all you would hear is "why dont they play the greatest hits more often" its a lose lose with some of you. check out aerosmiths sets. ive seen them 7 times and they play the same set everynight on every tour give or take maybe one or 2 songs. but im a fan and will continue to go see them. pj gives us a different set EVERYNIGHT never repeated.

    rush is the same way...i saw them twice in one tour...my friend who is OBSESSED with rush...made a playlist on his ipod of the setlist...the second show we went to we were able to name every song coming (except they changed one song just so that it's not so menotenous to them.) but their show is more scripted they have videos introdicing each (or most) of the songs and Geddy came out with his own video camera to "show the canadain fans how awesome american crowds are" and he did that at the same time each show (introducing natural science). so yeah those are more "shows" than concerts...if that last statement made any sense lol...

    and my view is yeah maybe they could be a little more rare...but they are staples of the show...people are season ticket holders to venues, they have to play their hits for them at the very least
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    My opinion on this would be simply to limit the number of times they play the same song/songs back to back at the same venue.

    I LOVE Alive and Even Flow, and would NEVER want them retired.

    How many 'hits/sing alongs' do they have?

    Alive
    Even Flow
    Jeremey
    Black
    Daughter
    Elderly Woman
    Corduroy
    Betterman
    Wishlist
    Do The Evolution
    Last Kiss
    Animal
    Why Go
    Immortality

    They don't play these songs everynight, so during a two night stand, instead of playing many of these twice and skipping others, they could play them all over the two nights.

    If the first show had:

    Alive
    Black
    Daughter
    Betterman
    Do the Evolution
    Given To Fly
    Why Go
    and Immortality

    That IS a show with tons of greatest hits. The other songs I listed could be played the next night and no one, even the most casual fan would be upset.

    Now with all that said, I don't actually care if they do this, cause I love every song and every show. But if I had my druthers this would be awesome for me.

    AND, I didn't even mention other hits....

    WWS
    Life Wasted
    Save You
    Nothingman
    Once
    Porch
    RVM
    Brain of J
    SOLAT
    Yellow Ledbetter
    I got shit

    If every back to back show had 7 mega hits, 5 minor hits, 3 or so covers, and 10 or 15 mixed from ALL their other albums. WOW! (you would really cut down on complaints from people who are 'tired' of Even Flow every night.)


    I'm not asking for this, just letting you know it would be ideal for me.

    They have so many Hits and sing-a-longs, they could always mix them up and no fan would go 'hungry'.
  • PJ Fan est. 1990
    PJ Fan est. 1990 Posts: 1,788
    you know an interesting though i posted a thread yesterday wondering if PJ will play 4 nights at philly without repeating one song...they did it before (i forget where) and they played 4 nights in one city without repeating a song
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    edited August 2009
    PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:
    you know an interesting though i posted a thread yesterday wondering if PJ will play 4 nights at philly without repeating one song...they did it before (i forget where) and they played 4 nights in one city without repeating a song

    Mansfield 03 they did it over the course of three shows.

    How awesome would it be if they had very few back to back repeats for LA 1-4 and Philly 1-4.

    I'm going to all 4 LA shows and that would kick ass. :mrgreen:
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  • MrMerkinball
    MrMerkinball Posts: 1,978
    They're not that exciting when you read a set list, or listen to a boot.......

    but when you are there - they are always great
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    MrMerkinball wrote:
    They're not that exciting when you read a set list, or listen to a boot.......

    but when you are there - they are always great


    Good point.

    Betterman for example is so much fucking fun.

    It really is only by looking at a set list, listening to a boot, or counting up that you have seen Betterman at 14 of the 16 shows you've attended that it can seem even partially annoying.
  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    eddies in my tree wrote:
    dont forget, they play the so called "greatest hits" so they can get fans in the doors. alive is a crowd pleaser, betterman is the "sing along" if they palyed all the b-sides everynight all you would hear is "why dont they play the greatest hits more often" its a lose lose with some of you. check out aerosmiths sets. ive seen them 7 times and they play the same set everynight on every tour give or take maybe one or 2 songs. but im a fan and will continue to go see them. pj gives us a different set EVERYNIGHT never repeated.
    This is true, but you don't have to play them EVERY show. I mean... if you take the songs the people who don't realize PJ has released an album since Vitalogy, you have these which i would consider 'greatest hits'

    Alive
    Even Flow
    Why Go
    Jeremy
    Black
    Porch
    Go
    Animal
    Daughter
    RVM
    Better Man
    Corduroy
    Spin the Black Circle
    Yellow Ledbetter

    So if you play maybe 5-6 of those at a show I don't think anyone is going to leave upset. I'm not asking for a set of all obscure songs (although I'd personally love it), but I am among those who are not terribly thrilled with the sets that are very heavy on the songs that are played at almost all shows.

    And if I had a pick between having them every night or retiring them, I'd pick retiring them. But obviously I tihnk the best solution is to play them in the same way they play everything else - vary it up so you actually go "Nice - Even Flow" as opposed to "OK.. here's the Even Flow part of the show"
  • PJ Fan est. 1990
    PJ Fan est. 1990 Posts: 1,788
    Wilds wrote:
    MrMerkinball wrote:
    They're not that exciting when you read a set list, or listen to a boot.......

    but when you are there - they are always great


    Good point.

    Betterman for example is so much fucking fun.

    It really is only by looking at a set list, listening to a boot, or counting up that you have seen Betterman at 14 of the 16 shows you've attended that it can seem even partially annoying.

    i have yet to hear betterman...granted i've only been to 2 shows thus far...but if betterman is as "overplayed" as some say, i mustn't be going to the good shows lol
  • springsteenfan
    springsteenfan Posts: 383
    I don't think evenflow should be retired, just not played every night. give us a chance to miss it! Jeremy isn't played as much as it used to be, and now I don't mind hearing it. I'll never get sick of alive.
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:
    Wilds wrote:
    MrMerkinball wrote:
    They're not that exciting when you read a set list, or listen to a boot.......

    but when you are there - they are always great


    Good point.

    Betterman for example is so much fucking fun.

    It really is only by looking at a set list, listening to a boot, or counting up that you have seen Betterman at 14 of the 16 shows you've attended that it can seem even partially annoying.

    i have yet to hear betterman...granted i've only been to 2 shows thus far...but if betterman is as "overplayed" as some say, i mustn't be going to the good shows lol

    I've been to 13 full Pearl Jam shows and seen Betterman 13 times.

    I've been to an additional 3 short shows/appearances, and 4 EV solo or Benefit shows.

    I think I've seen Betterman at only 12 of the full shows I've been to and at 1 Bridge School Benefit.

    Love it every time, but that is a very high %. :)

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