customs again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lets play two vinyl this time

dimitrispearljam

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

demetrios

CK150886 said:

Scored the one on the left. ISO the slip mat on the right. Anyone selling, let me know.
Thanks!

rw160510

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

I
 understand what you are saying. The level at which UK duty is set is set by HMRC (UK tax authorities) and that is controlled by the the government. Currently in the UK anything with a value of £15 or more is liable for duty to be paid on it if it is imported from outside the European Union so most items 10c sells now get hit. In the UK Royal Mail charge the end importers (me or any other 10C member) an administration fee to pay the duty to the UK government, this fee is £8 and covers several costs that the Royal mail incurs when dealing with an imported package. Before the Royal mail was sold off by the government it was common for packages to slip through with no import charges of any kind being applied. Since the privatisation of our national mail carrier in the UK I have maybe had 2 packages come through where fees have not been applied. I therefore submit that whilst tax is due on the items I have imported and I accept that and am willing to pay it, the charges are nothing more than a revenue generation project for Royal mail. The fee charged by royal mail is non optional, if I want the goods I have to pay it. There is no option to self clear and when you challenge royal mail about the actual costs involved in the admin process they basically tell you f off.

The only way to avoid the customs fees and royal mail charges is to not buy from outside the EU so this includes 10c. I still do buy from 10c on occasion but I understand why people get pissed off when they are hit with extra charges on top of the shipping rates.

demetrios

demetrios said:

CK150886 said:

Scored the one on the left. ISO the slip mat on the right. Anyone selling, let me know.
Thanks!

Whoa that was fast. Secured it.

PJDow

CK150886 said:

Awesome thanks.  Going to order from 10c if it only comes with it that way!

dimitrispearljam

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

I
 understand what you are saying. The level at which UK duty is set is set by HMRC (UK tax authorities) and that is controlled by the the government. Currently in the UK anything with a value of £15 or more is liable for duty to be paid on it if it is imported from outside the European Union so most items 10c sells now get hit. In the UK Royal Mail charge the end importers (me or any other 10C member) an administration fee to pay the duty to the UK government, this fee is £8 and covers several costs that the Royal mail incurs when dealing with an imported package. Before the Royal mail was sold off by the government it was common for packages to slip through with no import charges of any kind being applied. Since the privatisation of our national mail carrier in the UK I have maybe had 2 packages come through where fees have not been applied. I therefore submit that whilst tax is due on the items I have imported and I accept that and am willing to pay it, the charges are nothing more than a revenue generation project for Royal mail. The fee charged by royal mail is non optional, if I want the goods I have to pay it. There is no option to self clear and when you challenge royal mail about the actual costs involved in the admin process they basically tell you f off.

The only way to avoid the customs fees and royal mail charges is to not buy from outside the EU so this includes 10c. I still do buy from 10c on occasion but I understand why people get pissed off when they are hit with extra charges on top of the shipping rates.

if with brexit taxes sitution change with the countries of europe as well..u guys are fucked,,cost of life  wil be up alot!

demetrios

PJDow said:

CK150886 said:

Awesome thanks.  Going to order from 10c if it only comes with it that way!

Best to contact 10club before you place an order if you were to score one of these in the box. They were included inside the pizza boxes for those who pre ordered them. It's been day's after the official street date, maybe they stopped including them with the order.

rw160510

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

I
 understand what you are saying. The level at which UK duty is set is set by HMRC (UK tax authorities) and that is controlled by the the government. Currently in the UK anything with a value of £15 or more is liable for duty to be paid on it if it is imported from outside the European Union so most items 10c sells now get hit. In the UK Royal Mail charge the end importers (me or any other 10C member) an administration fee to pay the duty to the UK government, this fee is £8 and covers several costs that the Royal mail incurs when dealing with an imported package. Before the Royal mail was sold off by the government it was common for packages to slip through with no import charges of any kind being applied. Since the privatisation of our national mail carrier in the UK I have maybe had 2 packages come through where fees have not been applied. I therefore submit that whilst tax is due on the items I have imported and I accept that and am willing to pay it, the charges are nothing more than a revenue generation project for Royal mail. The fee charged by royal mail is non optional, if I want the goods I have to pay it. There is no option to self clear and when you challenge royal mail about the actual costs involved in the admin process they basically tell you f off.

The only way to avoid the customs fees and royal mail charges is to not buy from outside the EU so this includes 10c. I still do buy from 10c on occasion but I understand why people get pissed off when they are hit with extra charges on top of the shipping rates.

if with brexit taxes sitution change with the countries of europe as well..u guys are fucked,,cost of life  wil be up alot!

Yeah
 it's a massive clusterfuck. I still can't believe that half of the country thought that leaving was a good idea. Fingers crossed something can be sorted out but it doesn't seem like there is the political will on either side. The brexiters are insistent that life outside the EU is some wonderful land of milk and honey or too busy trying to snatch power for themselves and the EU have to ensure that they don't give the UK what it is asking for otherwise what's the point? All in all the cost of living is going to spiral, today one of our largest supermarkets has predicted 22% increases in shopping bills if there is no deal. That might be scaremongering but things are certainly much more expensive than before we voted to devalue our currency /take back our country

100 Pacer

Zod said:

Which country are you from?

I've noticed here in Canada that there's been a crackdown on tax assessment.   They legal limit for importing into Canada tax free (by mail) is only $20.  For as far back as I remember, 95% (maybe even 99%) of things valued under $100 would slide through unscathed (even though legally they were above the limit).   I've maybe had 2 or 3 packages in the last 15 years assessed, and in the last two weeks I'm 4/4 (and not all from 10c).

I'm fairly certain at this point that the Canadian Customs (CBSA) has been given strict instructions to enforce the $20 limit.    It's probably due to the NAFTA negotiations turning sour (US government wants us to raise the limit from $20 to $800, as well has a bunch of other horrible concessions).

It's pretty unusual for me to have four packages coming so close together :(   If I had known they were going to crack down I would of bought of few of them from inside Canada (which I guess is the point... so from that aspect.. of charging tax so I shop at a Canadian retailer is working).

I know have to rethink about ordering from the US.   It's adding about $12 to $15 on my orders :(

I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with the 10c.

edit:  If you're not from Canada, then I don't know enough about how other countries customs work, what the limits are, or how strict enforcement is :(

It has nothing to do with anything other than our government realizing they're losing revenue by not collecting more aggressively (a report recommending more aggressive enforcement was adopted). 

It seems, generally speaking, those who get frustrated by customs charges either don't understand the procedure for importing and/or don't understand it's not a "lottery". The rules are in place for a reason, and while every single package can't be assessed every single package can't be slipping through. 

xnothingmanx

If it's for sale on ten club only, I'll still get it and take the customs hit (things like mystery box). Anything available elsewhere I'll get locally. I bought LP2 from amazon. If I'd have got it from Ten Club it would have been about £25 more. I didn't want to pay that extra just to get the slipwat and sticker. 

KICK7071

PJDow said:

CK150886 said:

Awesome thanks.  Going to order from 10c if it only comes with it that way!

@PJDow like @demetrios said check with 10C first, I do believe these only came with the pre-orders.

Get_Right

drummerboy_73 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Take your problem up with your elected officials.  Ten Club doesn't make the laws and shouldn't be expected to ship in a manner to get around those laws. 

Exactly. I work in the shipping/logistics industry, and we have a customer for whom we ship a lot of small parcel packages to Canada and other countries outside of the U.S. At one time, they would "devalue" the cost of their goods to something along the lines of their production cost when reporting the customs values, in an effort to keep down the duties/taxes collected from their customer. The problem was that the customs departments would periodically do spot checks, and had a way to verify the retail price of what a recipient actually paid for the imported products, and if there was a disparity, they would flag the exporter (my customer), and had the potential to stop their sales into that country. The duties and taxes assessed by customs is 100% in the hands of the government of the country to which the product is being imported - has nothing to do with the exporter. The only control they have which could reduce your duties and taxes is to sell it you for a lower cost.

I am a customs attorney. Your summary is correct. It is silly that there are customs duties on small commercial shipments. In the US, shipments under $800 do not require an import declaration. That is why the US is pushing Canada to raise its minimum. Same in Europe.
These duties have a major impact on E-Commerce businesses.

Get_Right

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

Postal services and parcel delivery services are charged with administering the customs laws promulgated by the government. They do have a role in assessing and collecting duties - but you are right in that they dont set the rates or determine the rates applicable to a particular good.

Zod

100 Pacer said:

It seems, generally speaking, those who get frustrated by customs charges either don't understand the procedure for importing and/or don't understand it's not a "lottery". The rules are in place for a reason, and while every single package can't be assessed every single package can't be slipping through. 

People who ordered from the US frequently were correct.   It was a lottery.   In practice it was a lottery you had a 95% chance of winning.   The "rules" aren't as important as how they are enforced, and the "rules" were barely enforced.   Now that's changed and people change their spending habits to adjust for it. 

I do hope the US is successful in negotiating our exempt amount up.  I think $800 is too high, but $20 is too low.   You can't even import a limited edition vinyl (something not available in Canada) without getting dinged.    I imagine with more and more people getting hit with charges, it will make the lower amount more known, and put pressure on the government to increase it.

On the other hand if NAFA talks fall apart, then all bets are off if a trade war starts.

100 Pacer

Zod said:

100 Pacer said:

It seems, generally speaking, those who get frustrated by customs charges either don't understand the procedure for importing and/or don't understand it's not a "lottery". The rules are in place for a reason, and while every single package can't be assessed every single package can't be slipping through. 

People who ordered from the US frequently were correct.   It was a lottery.   In practice it was a lottery you had a 95% chance of winning.   The "rules" aren't as important as how they are enforced, and the "rules" were barely enforced.   Now that's changed and people change their spending habits to adjust for it. 

I do hope the US is successful in negotiating our exempt amount up.  I think $800 is too high, but $20 is too low.   You can't even import a limited edition vinyl (something not available in Canada) without getting dinged.    I imagine with more and more people getting hit with charges, it will make the lower amount more known, and put pressure on the government to increase it.

On the other hand if NAFA talks fall apart, then all bets are off if a trade war starts.

I've spoken with someone who works for CBSA. If you see it as a lottery then I can absolutely understand why you or anyone else would get upset every time you didn't "win." Rest assured the rules have always been enforced the same way. There simply weren't enough bodies to process all the pieces of mail, especially when things like serious contraband were higher up on the enforcement list than a low value item. Another factor to consider is the staggering amount of mail volume on any given day as well as the fluctuating levels of mail volume at the various airports. 

Most importantly: every single piece of mail CBSA encounters is verified for its' declared value. Literally every single one. What ends up happening though is the agent chooses, at his or her discretion, what's worth his or her time in terms of processing vs what's worth his or her time in terms of enforcement. With more agents coming on line and being told to enforce more strictly it becomes a balancing act of the agent being able to properly enforce vs being able to properly screen. At the end of the day they're more concerned about contraband than another $20 in customs on the front lines. 

Zod

100 Pacer said:

Most importantly: every single piece of mail CBSA encounters is verified for its' declared value. Literally every single one. What ends up happening though is the agent chooses, at his or her discretion, what's worth his or her time in terms of processing vs what's worth his or her time in terms of enforcement. With more agents coming on line and being told to enforce more strictly it becomes a balancing act of the agent being able to properly enforce vs being able to properly screen. At the end of the day they're more concerned about contraband than another $20 in customs on the front lines. 

It's pretty obvious that they have increased enforcement and focus on it.  I've had more packages assessed in the past 3 weeks than the past 15 years all together (sub $100 packages).  It's definitely a change in customs behavior.   There was a long stretch where they focused on the bigger ones, but now it's all getting focus.  All 4 of my packages were assessed at $35 or under (with the smallest being matt cameron's solo album vinyl, at $24.55 cdn).    If you've got people assessing packages $4 over the limit, to charge $2.55 in tax..... it's pretty obvious enforcement's been beefed up.

I think we're both pretty much arguing the same thing except I think you underestimate how lax it was until the new hires you mentioned came online.

FR181798

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

I don't mind paying the customs duty, it's the extra £8 I get charged which annoys me. If you order from Amazon.com you pay the duty in advance and don't have to pay anything extra but no where else does that. Recently I bought something for $19.99 (£15.10) I got $3 discount but that wasn't mentioned on the customs form. So it was 10p over the limit and I got charged £11, pretty terrible. 

drummerboy_73

Get_Right said:

drummerboy_73 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Take your problem up with your elected officials.  Ten Club doesn't make the laws and shouldn't be expected to ship in a manner to get around those laws. 

Exactly. I work in the shipping/logistics industry, and we have a customer for whom we ship a lot of small parcel packages to Canada and other countries outside of the U.S. At one time, they would "devalue" the cost of their goods to something along the lines of their production cost when reporting the customs values, in an effort to keep down the duties/taxes collected from their customer. The problem was that the customs departments would periodically do spot checks, and had a way to verify the retail price of what a recipient actually paid for the imported products, and if there was a disparity, they would flag the exporter (my customer), and had the potential to stop their sales into that country. The duties and taxes assessed by customs is 100% in the hands of the government of the country to which the product is being imported - has nothing to do with the exporter. The only control they have which could reduce your duties and taxes is to sell it you for a lower cost.

I am a customs attorney. Your summary is correct. It is silly that there are customs duties on small commercial shipments. In the US, shipments under $800 do not require an import declaration. That is why the US is pushing Canada to raise its minimum. Same in Europe.
These duties have a major impact on E-Commerce businesses.

Yup - very cost prohibitive to U.S. exports on smaller value shipments, especially when other countries (China, Taiwan, Indonesia, etc.) can export their cheaply made goods into the U.S. so easily.

Zod

FR181798 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

rw160510 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

its so obvious that uk members almoist always got caught with it..
ofcourse nothing to do with 10c,but british goverment.
rest europen countries is like 1 of 10 items pays customs..
in uk is 9 of 10 times

It's
 not really even the British government dimi to be honest. Royal mail was privatised a few years ago, as soon as that happened they realised that the admin fee (£8) they could charge to administer the duty was a revenue stream for them. It costs £8 regardless of the amount of duty owed to the government which on items from 10c is usually only a couple of quid. Royal mail has an effective monopoly on items imported through the postal system adit is impossible to circumvent them. We have no option to self clear in UK that I am aware of and so are stuck. I don't mind paying the duty due I just object to being charged for the privilege of doing it. God help us when we crash out of the EU in 18 months and sterling is worth even less than it is now.

customs has to do with goverment orders..royal mail dont do anything..in all countries,the packages arrive from abroad first goes to customs..they choose what needs to pay taxes  and wahts pass free.after they pass,local mail company..like royal in uk,like elta in greece like usps in usa,gets it with the stamp on,of how u need to pay for get it or its free..royal is the delivery part,nothing to do with charges like vat -taxes etc

I don't mind paying the customs duty, it's the extra £8 I get charged which annoys me. If you order from Amazon.com you pay the duty in advance and don't have to pay anything extra but no where else does that. Recently I bought something for $19.99 (£15.10) I got $3 discount but that wasn't mentioned on the customs form. So it was 10p over the limit and I got charged £11, pretty terrible. 

It's kind of funny.. I hated how amazon/ebay pre-collected the taxes/duties.   Mostly because Canada Customs was turning a blind eye.  Now that they aren't, buying from those retailers is a bit more attractive.

Bigrfish

Edmonton said:

Pre-ordered Let's-Play-Two vinyl from amazon.ca as soon as they listed, so locked in price of 36 bucks (cdn).  Arrived as soon as released with no issues.  And 'cause it was >$35, shipping was free.  In Canada, that seems to be the way to go - though my local record store (Blackbyrd on Whyte) had it on release date as well for (I think) 40 bucks so I should have waited and spend the extra bucks to support local....will do that next time.

Smart.. I missed by a day.. Managed to find it on the cheap thru Amazon France tho. What are your thoughts on sound quality, pressing etc. I've seen some not so favorable reviews on both US and EU pressings so far. Just interested in your opinion if you don't mind sharing. 
Edmontonian as well.  Thx